I was going to reserve judgement until after the window but its glaringly obvious that our spending has finished with only outgoings looking possible.
In - AWB, Maguire, James
Out - Herrera, Valencia, Lukaku
With Rojo edging towards Everton and a possible 25% cut off a Zaha sale, it leaves us with a net spend of pennies in todays market and for a club of this size who is looking to get back amongst the bog boys in European football.
This is the final straw IMO, with Herrera, Fellaini in Jan and Lukaku leaving today, for us not to have signed at least one ready made attacking midfielder/ holding midfielder / striker is just an absolute joke.
If we just talk about last season, we really struggled creating chances and scoring goals, especially against teams who sat back, if the opposition stopped Pogba being an influence generally we failed to win matches.
I really thought this was the window we would start seeing big changes, especially after Oles comments at the end of the season, as much as AWB and Maguire will improve us at the back we have a glaring hole in midfield/attack now, we are so far off even Spurs, without even getting started on how far we are behind Liverpool and City. Really am disgusted at how this window has finished.
This has to be it for Woodward, no hiding behind closed doors anymore, fans must get together and sound out this clown because he amongst others are driving this club to the ground!!!!!!!!
Absolutely pathetic
posted on 8/8/19
Got it Mike. They've all made their debuts, come up through the academy, from Greenwood to Messi. They have all had faith shown in them somewhere and benefitted.
posted on 8/8/19
comment by Cinciwolf---- jealous little scottish to$$er (U11551)
posted 1 hour, 29 minutes ago
I think your biggest problem is that you have spent about 100m too much on Bissaka and Maguire
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How is that a problem?
We agreed fees for Dybala and apparently Eriksen could have signed, so we have the money.
The issue we have is convincing players to join which means Ed and his team are failing somewhere because it shouldn't be hard to sell the idea of playing for man utd to players.
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It's not about us producing better players than other clubs.
If you read the benefits I listed, you'll see that.
posted on 8/8/19
If I had to use an analogy for our window, I would say it's like moving furniture around the house. We've improved in one or two areas, whilst weakening in a couple of areas. The net result is that we haven't actually improved the squad, and it's arguably weaker than it was a year ago
posted on 9/8/19
Hippo, Jones and Smalling were bought. Within the time they have been here we also bought many players (defenders such as Bailly, Blind, Lindelof, Rojo who all were able to nail down a spot except one or two of them), foreign as well. Mhiki and Kagawa both came from Dortmund with good reputations. Both didn't reach the same heights here, and from this I could say we should never buy players from Dortmund or Germany given out luck with signings from there (either unable to settle or injured all the time). And that's just two examples. I could easily make as many, if nor more points about our recruitment and failure to recruit well (Italians and South Americans would be popular).
Your last point is idiotic. Jose wasn't a signing who showed faith in youth. McTominay was the only one to come through under him. First thing he did was sign experienced players as he didn't have faith in youth. He signed Bailly and Lindelof and couldn't get the best out of them and sold Blind who was out best defender at the time.
So many of our problems since SAF has been short term solutions and having Ed at the helm. You are pretty much asking for the same while expecting things to be different.
Our biggest issue has been injuries. When we have managed to keep tyem down, we tend to finish higher. Last season we had the most injuries to our players and over the last few years we're always at the top of number of injured. It's why we ended up with youth players making appearances as often as they did under Van Gaal. It gave us Rashford, so that's a positive (regardless of your opinion of him).
posted on 9/8/19
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I think AWB and Maguire will improve you significantly in defence but actually think you may be weaker than last season offensively.
You can mock Lukaku for his renewal play but he did provide goals and those goals are now gone for the squad.
We’ve not strengthened either though so interesting season ahead.
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Sometimes teams need to take a step back to move forward.
I am more interested in performances and tactics this season. It will take a couple of seasons for us to challenge again.
Some of our fans need to calm down
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That's alright until we are 20 points off the top of the table yet again before we enter December!!
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So you were expecting a title challenge?
This isn't Football Manager.
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exactly, this is the real world.
we can't just keep on playing random youngsters like pereira or mctominay or rashford or lingard and think this will get us anywhere.
in the real world, we have to buy the best players and get the best managers. the idea that "young english players" will somehow improve us is the stupidest idea in the world.
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Yeah. Ferguson was a very stupid man
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how many youngsters who went on to be top class players did saf bring through from the academy from 2000 -2013?
darren fletcher is the only one you could argue for - and even he only had two, maybe three top class seasons.
rashford,mctominay and pereira literally got into the team because the real players were injured ffs
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Why did you pick that timeline? Our most successful era was on the back of youngsters from our academy.
You really do not understand football. We have players from our academy playing top flight football in the prem. They didn't all make it at Utd but that did not stop them being accomplished footballers.
Good teams win trophies. Madrid made many shiny signings but were regularly trounced by a Barcelona team.
PSG have all the shiny signings you crave and our random youngsters beat them over 2 legs.
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comment by hippopotamus (U1301)
posted 52 minutes ago
"Why did you pick that timeline? Our most successful era was on the back of youngsters from our academy."
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what other timeline should i pick? i wonder what ernest magnall would do, his opinions would really be relevant today.
we are talking about modern footballl, so going back to the 90s is pointless. the sport has changed.
"Good teams win trophies. Madrid made many shiny signings but were regularly trounced by a Barcelona team."
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madrid have won more cls in the last 6 years than we have in our history ffs. they experiencing success beyond anybody's wildest dreams. what are you talking about
"PSG have all the shiny signings you crave and our random youngsters beat them over 2 legs."
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PSG are a much, much better football team than we are who play in the CL every year and win their league. If they don't win the CL it's an awful season for them. If we qualify for the CL it's a great season for us.
a third of the squad constantly being filled with "ones for the future" is one of the reasons why we are no longer a good team. you can not afford that luxury in the modern game.
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There is a hive mind mentality on here eating right into the Glazer propaganda machine. It’s amazing to see how subservient they are to this way of thinking. Pretty much like how I was when Moyes was at the club.
posted on 9/8/19
comment by hippopotamus (U1301)
posted 57 minutes ago
"Why did you pick that timeline? Our most successful era was on the back of youngsters from our academy."
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what other timeline should i pick? i wonder what ernest magnall would do, his opinions would really be relevant today.
we are talking about modern footballl, so going back to the 90s is pointless. the sport has changed.
"Good teams win trophies. Madrid made many shiny signings but were regularly trounced by a Barcelona team."
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madrid have won more cls in the last 6 years than we have in our history ffs. they experiencing success beyond anybody's wildest dreams. what are you talking about
"PSG have all the shiny signings you crave and our random youngsters beat them over 2 legs."
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PSG are a much, much better football team than we are who play in the CL every year and win their league. If they don't win the CL it's an awful season for them. If we qualify for the CL it's a great season for us.
a third of the squad constantly being filled with "ones for the future" is one of the reasons why we are no longer a good team. you can not afford that luxury in the modern game.
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If you cannot understand the point being made, there really is not point engaging with you to be honest.
How many League titles did Madrid win against the Barca team with their shiny signings?