With the City news I have seen a few in the media saying FFP is ruining football and makes the top table a closed shop. But I don't really see how a story like City is any kind of fairytale. A languishing premier league club bought by owners with questionable human rights records to go on inflate the market and win titles by simply spending far more than their rivals.
If the sheiks took this decision badly and left today, City would be in a real mess. FFP helps prevent teams from spending above their means
Then onto the competitive side of things. You can compete at the top without having to pump billions into a club. Look at Liverpool. They're now the best team in Europe whilst spending within their means because they hired a great manager and have done very well in the transfer market. Leicester after winning the league a couple of years ago are heading back to the champions league this year because of excellent investment decisions.
Even on the financial side of things you can grow your club by managing it well. 5 years ago, revenue wise Spurs were £100m+ behind Arsenal and Chelsea. Now with the stadium and champions league football we're above both and establishing ourselves as a major financial player.
I just hope UEFA don't stop there. There is literally no way PSG cannot be done. They spend at City levels without any premier league revenue. Surely they're next.
FFP is a good thing
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comment by SWTN - Judas is number 1 (U7916)
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I think the application of FFP is inconsistent and i think if City have good lawyers, they will be able to prove this theory
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I dont disagree with you there. I think we can agree to disagree on the FFP front. I dare say this will rumble on for months anyway.
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And what has FFP done for the league in Spain, France, Italy and Germany..?
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Well we have seen atletico win la liga and compete in 2 champions league finals since ffp. Monaco won a league in france where without FFP paris wouldve been untouchable. Italy has obviously been a monopoly but what you have seen is teams like napoli and roma competing for champs league places whilst traditional "elite" clubs like the milans have faltered time and time again. Germany admittedley has been monopolized also but could you honestly say without FFP it be any different? Id argue without FFP wed never have seen atletico have the success theyve had, nor would milan be languishing where they are. They would have just cherry picked the best from the rest and cemented themselves back alongside juventus.
Ac milan are a great example of the elite not being protected. They are a monster of a club but have struggled for years now because they business decisions have been poor. They have been out thought by teams like napoli roma atalanta. Their "elite" status has served them no favours.
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Anectodal slaterrings, but the trend in trhese leagues is crystal clear
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But what would you have expected to see without FFP? Wed have madrid doing their "galactico" sprees every year. Paris and city spending to levels never seen before probably leading to a complete monopoly in england. The worlds biggest clubs would still be spending the biggest amounts there would just be no control to the levels. The rest would be left for dead.
Madrid still spend huge amounts but as we've seen last few years theyve had to offset that by selling big players too.
A salary and tranfer cap is of course the fairest way to go about things but its never going to happen unfortunately. FFP is without doubt better for the game than nothing.
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I guess i don't see that FFP is the reason for those sporadic successes by other clubs.
When Derby County, Forest and Villa won titles and European Cups there was no FFP
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Derby, Forest and Villa winning leagues and European cups was just as sporadic.
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And that is my point...i see no correlation to FFP and the sporadic success of clubs outide the big 6...
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FFP helps prevent teams from spending above their means
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City never spent above their means under the Sheikh.
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Yeah that’s because of the fake sponsorship deals which have been sussed out, hence the ban.
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You’ll have to excuse the no mark not being fully aware of the situation. All this took place years before he started supporting City.
When glory hunting goes wrong
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You really are not a smart bunch
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Coming from you that’s a compliment
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Ttliv says City did spend above their means, you say City didn't.
Yet I am the dumb one.
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They did via bogus sponsorship deals, read my post ffs
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Ok, lets for a minute stop here. For me, as a Dutchman, above your means, mean spending more than you have. City didnt spend more than they had, they actually have the money.
FFP means that they cannot spend more than they bring in through revenue and sponsors. Thats what they did. But they didnt spend above their means.
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comment by Prankster - Unbeaten and Unbearable Super World European Champions (U6283)
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FFP helps prevent teams from spending above their means
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City never spent above their means under the Sheikh.
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Yeah that’s because of the fake sponsorship deals which have been sussed out, hence the ban.
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You’ll have to excuse the no mark not being fully aware of the situation. All this took place years before he started supporting City.
When glory hunting goes wrong
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You really are not a smart bunch
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Coming from you that’s a compliment
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Ttliv says City did spend above their means, you say City didn't.
Yet I am the dumb one.
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They did via bogus sponsorship deals, read my post ffs
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Ok, lets for a minute stop here. For me, as a Dutchman, above your means, mean spending more than you have. City didnt spend more than they had, they actually have the money.
FFP means that they cannot spend more than they bring in through revenue and sponsors. Thats what they did. But they didnt spend above their means.
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Above their means as in club income not the amount of money the owners have idiot. City signed a sponsorship deal with Etihad, for shirts, training ground and stadium, that Mansour is alleged to have contributed the money to, minus £8m from Etihad.
Club income was inflated by Mansour through dodgy sponsorship they wanted to be kept hidden.
Take it you’re supporting Barca again next season
posted on 15/2/20
If the owners put money in the club, its the club's money. Thats how I see it, idiot.
posted on 15/2/20
I am still supporting Barca, never stopped supporting them, idiot.
posted on 15/2/20
comment by Holland's big brother Europe (U1250)
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If the owners put money in the club, its the club's money. Thats how I see it, idiot.
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I agree, as long as it is ring fenced. There is no justification to prevent legitimate outside investment into a club. It goes against all known business practices . I am all for measures that prevent reckless spending that puts a club at financial risk but all for legitimate investment that is used to support a credible growth strategy.
posted on 15/2/20
For those, like me, who were confused by this silly acronyn,...
FFP = Financial Fair Play Rules
and should be FFPR...
posted on 16/2/20
I thought ffp was invented to stop megalomaniac owners risking the existence of clubs.
Most millionaires/billionaires usually aren't adverse to risk to get their fortunes in the first place but there have been a number of sad examples of clubs going bankrupt ,due to bad decision making, and the fans are the ones that suffer.
Making teams sustainable within a structure everyone has to follow is the way forward. Teams will still waste money whilst others find bargains, just as some clubs will rise and others fall.