The latest

sigh !!

comment by Jonty (U4614)
posted 1 hour, 34 minutes ago
The fake nurse story reported by CNN:

https://www.ccn.com/covid-19-unit-nurse-says-hospital-forbade-her-to-wear-n95-mask/
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This is insane and tragic. First I've seen it.

So its fake news or what? I'm not sure what you just said there.

comment by Jonty (U4614)
posted 1 hour, 41 minutes ago
And herein lies the problem, I've given actual quotes from actual scientists who have been asked about the issue and the counter argument is using CNN reporting on a leaked video and the source declining to comment, was it CNN who reported on the nurse refusing to work because of lack of PPE and then the world found out the video was a fake?

Jonny, the point about the article I posted on vaccines, which from your comments I'm assuming you haven't actually read, is that it takes a long time to create a vaccine and indeed for the 4 coronaviruses that affect humans that they have not yet created a vaccine, despite medical advances. You can dance around that all you like but these are facts.

With regards to Dorries comments, you are doing teh same as Piers Morgan does, trying to interpret, trying to force words into others mouths.

At the risk of repeating myself, for the sake of clarity, lockdowns will ebb and flow, being released to some degree, re-instated etc until we have a vaccine.

And unless we are prepared to just live with covid19 then everyone will need immunity or vaccine and when you look at the facts about vaccines and listen to medical experts and not CNN, the chances of developing one within 12 months are slim to none.

I don't like that any more than the next person. My living has disappeared, my kids education has all but disappeared and I'm starting to see friends and acquaintances lose their lives to this, but when faced with scientific issues, I'll listen to what the scientists are saying and have been saying repeatedly.
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What about new information and knowledge about Covid that could come out at anytime, even tomorrow, or the next month, you never know.

New info and research would change the opinions of these experts. In fact, opinions and predictions have changed with the discovery of new facts since this outbreak started. Its scientific to have an open mind and if new info comes out the scientists could change their opinions.

They are repeatedly stating that its too early to decide anything. We have to wait and football has to wait too. Canceling the season is on the table but its too early to be sure it wont turn out to be a huge mistake that actually puts clubs in more danger than they possibly could have been. This is the best approach whether you want to admit that or not.

Ok enough speculating let’s just see what happens. You believe what you want, be depressed and negative if that makes you feel better. This has just become silly.

comment by JonnyLosAngeles (My Dad was made in Leeds) עם ישראל חי (U9756)
posted 6 minutes ago

Ok enough speculating let’s just see what happens. You believe what you want, be depressed and negative if that makes you feel better. This has just become silly.

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at least he's consistant, I guess

I’m Not depressed at all, I’m just presenting you with facts rather than basing my thoughts on unreliable media.

It’s by listening to scientists rather than CNN that I have hope in the results from Germany about transmission methods which their data is the basis for the following:

“There is no significant risk of catching the disease when you go shopping. Severe outbreaks of the infection were always a result of people being closer together over a longer period of time, for example the après- ski parties in Ischgl, Austria.” He could also not find any evidence of ‘living’ viruses on surfaces. “When we took samples from door handles, phones or toilets it has not been possible to cultivate the virus in the laboratory on the basis of these swabs….”

You can call that depression, I call it medical research which offers a hugely positive way forward for society.

Bundesinstitute für Risikobewertung!..

"Federal institutes for risk assessment"

https://www.bfr.bund.de/en/can_the_new_type_of_coronavirus_be_transmitted_via_food_and_objects_-244090.html

‘The Independent has seen a letter sent by the EFL to all club members detailing a plan that recommends a return-to-training date for players of 16 May, should the level of lockdown be eased next month, and that while a return date has not been officially rubber-stamped clubs have been instructed to prepare for a resumption 'at short notice'.

Premier League clubs remain united in their desire to finish the season, but the controversial proposal of completing the campaign by June 30 was not raised in Friday's meeting.

All top-flight clubs were represented on the video call in which the primary topic of conversation was a debate over models for completing the season.

No representative in attendance raised the idea of finishing the season by June 30 and the issues of pay cuts and transfer windows were also not debated.

A Premier League spokesperson said: "We are acutely aware of the distress COVID-19 is causing and our thoughts are with all those directly affected by the pandemic.

"In common with other businesses and industries, the Premier League and our clubs are working through complex planning scenarios. We are actively engaging with stakeholders, including broadcast partners, and our aim is to ensure we are in a position to resume playing when it is safe to do so and with the full support of the Government.

"The health and wellbeing of players, coaches, managers, club staff and supporters are our priority and the League will only restart when medical guidance allows.

"Today's shareholders' meeting provided an opportunity to discuss possible scheduling models. It remains our objective to complete the 2019/20 season but at this stage all dates are tentative while the impact of COVID-19 develops.

https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11661/11974479/premier-league-united-on-playing-season-no-june-30-finish-or-transfer-window-talks

PL looking at a best case scenario of matches starting up again in mid June, worst case October. I'd guess the Championship will be looking to do similar.

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2020/apr/17/premier-league-could-return-by-mid-june-in-best-case-scenario-football