Armbands

comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Pun (U21588)
posted 4 hours, 6 minutes ago
I say we should respect the backwards homophobic misogynistic laws of the host country. Who do we think we are ffs
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We have laws in place that allow us to invade nations and kill hundreds of thousands of people.

We have financial legislation in place that mean we have millions in poverty and reliant on food banks.

We have an increasing number homeless people.

America have banned abortion in certain states.

We aren’t perfect.
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Yeah, this is the best time to highlight our own inadequacies, as well as Qatar and others. Not only do we kill hundreds of thousands, we ruin entire countries and displace millions of people and then are the loudest when it comes to crying about refugees, asylum seekers, and immigrants when surveys have shown that most refugees don't even want to come here, and we actually absorb the least refugees and asylum seekers when compared with most countries that are our peers.

On a serious note, great white sharks don't mess with Orcas.

This constant whataboutery from some of the forum morons is tiresome.

If you think that our conduct as a nation is on a par with a country like Qatar then you are not only an idiot, but also an uneducated one, who for some reason cannot handle legitimate criticism of the World Cup being in Qatar.

You are also missing the point that the armband is not a protest against Qatar, it’s in support of a minority group.

Belllends.

The best defence people have is whataboutism? Really?

Why bother speaking about knife crime in London when Birmingham has an issue with theft?

It's so disingenuous to pretend to use issue Y as an excuse to detract from issue X.

Difference being that people within this country can and do protest against our government. We can literally stand outside their office and abuse them. We're able to openly discuss the problems we have with it. So are Germany, so are Belgium, so are Denmark.

Nobody is saying these countries are and have always been bastions of morality but in order to progress as a species, we need to be able to have these conversations and whilst a good portion of the world still treats basic civil rights issues in the same way as iron age shepherd's did, it's going to be that much harder.

If instead of desperately deflecting and defending abuses, maybe consider that we can highlight issues with the west - literally done daily on pretty much every platform possible - and also look to support people who aren't afforded basic civil rights.

The fact that a coloured armband is so offensive and shocking thst it's outright banned is both pathetic and alarming. If you can't discuss this without saying "but... But... But... The empire!!" then I'd rather you just say "actually, I'm not really on board with the whole gay thing so it doesn't bother me" because that's what it screams.

These issues aren't mutually exclusive. Open a thread about western foreign policy and it will have plenty of discussion. It's a complete red herring.

It isn't 'culture', not drinking in public is culture and I'm absolutely in defence of a country having a ban on this or even a full on alcohol ban. Totally fine. That's culture and absolutely should be respected.

We aren't talking about culture. If you think it's a cultural issue then you're too stupid to comment on it in the first place.

When grown men can't see an armband without melting down, that's problematic. When women aren't allowed to control their own bodies, it's problematic. When citizens are punished with public corporal punishment, it's problematic. When it's illegal to love a consenting adult because it hurts ignorant people's feeling, it's problematic. When people aren't allowed to speak about these issues, it's problematic.

The west is far from perfect but if the roles were reversed, I'd hope that more morally developed societies would help. And before anyone says anything, I spent a good part of my life living in the middle East, I still have various branches of family over there. The west is 100% more morally advanced, it isn't even a debate. More advanced doesn't equal 'complete' though. We have our own issues to sort through. Difference being we can are are trying. We're able to push back, we have a plethora of rights granted to us that many others simply don't.

There's also the point that as these regimes gain power and influence across the west, so does their potential to affect its culture. It may not be something we can take for granted forever.

Apologists also made excuses for Germany when a certain party were in power when they hosted the Olympics.

For a Great White to take on an Orca would be the same as a bloke on his own taking on an extended family of several generations at a gypsy wedding. One adult Orca would be enough but unlike Great Whites they travel in family groups.

comment by TheFoxOutsideTheBox (U20459)
posted 24 minutes ago

The best defence people have is whataboutism? Really?

Why bother speaking about knife crime in London when Birmingham has an issue with theft?
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No, both knife crime in London and theft in Birmingham should be spoken about the same way.

And that's the point. In the Human Rights Charter there are many human rights and none are more or less important than any other, except perhaps the right to life itself, which can be said to be the fundamental right. The variation is that contravening some of these rights can have more damage than contravening some others.

We should totally protest the Qatar world cup. It should have been taken from them as the deaths piled up. It should have never been awarded to them IMO because they disregard some of the basic human rights at a level that cannot just be tolerated. A death sentence for being gay is a joke.

But I want to see the same standard applied consistently and across the board. Is this the Animal Farm of human rights? Are some human rights more equal than others? Nations that disregard other human rights that perhaps Qatar does not, like the right to life, the right to a decent quality of life, self determination and sovereignty etc should also get what Qatar gets. That's how I see it.

Who cares…

This World Cup is about football… not minority groups.

Would be hilarious if they wore that armband in the OP

Classic Armband

comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 22 hours, 39 minutes ago
This constant whataboutery from some of the forum morons is tiresome.

If you think that our conduct as a nation is on a par with a country like Qatar then you are not only an idiot, but also an uneducated one, who for some reason cannot handle legitimate criticism of the World Cup being in Qatar.

You are also missing the point that the armband is not a protest against Qatar, it’s in support of a minority group.

Belllends.
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Nothing wrong with calling it out, but you need a little context for some issues.

People labelling different queues for men and women as sexist forget Old Trafford also offers this option, they also forget the religion practised in that country.

I don't hear about Qataris complaining about their laws and culture, like say, Iranian females.

I'm just saying, we aren't whiter than white, so should have some sympathy when trying to understand other cultures.