Toxic Tommy Fired!

comment by Devil (U6522)
posted 1 hour, 41 minutes ago
comment by JFDI (U1657)
posted 1 hour, 20 minutes ago

comment by Devil (U6522)
posted 3 hours, 18 minutes ago
comment by Chelseamf™®© (U1677)
posted 5 hours, 56 minutes ago

comment by JFDI (U1657)
I expect Facebook will be full of fans calling for hids return now that he's free again. Not that they weren't anyway.
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Not only social media, extends to forums (including this one)!

You'd be surprised by how many on this forum would welcome the return of a divisive destructive self-sabotaging manager.

Can never be me.
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Whenever we've gone through bad periods during this ownership (which is a lot) his name does the rounds in the stands.

Tuchel isn't some underground, hipster cult hero in the Chelsea fandom, he's an actual hero! You have to acknowledge this at some point. Call the fans all your various emojis doing it but it's just a fact.
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How is he anymore of a hero than another manager who has won us anything over the years.

He did a great job, but he was also at the helm when things started to go awry. That doesn't mean I am not grateful for his achievements but I also am capable of sering he was not an put and out success. He would still be here if he was. Winning champions league diest make you a hero, just ask RDM.
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Cos we're still chanting his name over a year after he left like I said? It's not just the internet that gives him love, the match going fans do too because he's just well respected across the fandom.

I think he's fallen into a similar bracket as Hiddink. There's a great appreciation for how quickly he changed the mood & how dramatic his impact was considering where we mentally were before he came in, with a prize at the end to cap it off.
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I am a match going fan. I know a lot of match going fans, some more so than I, some less. I have a season ticket in the MHL and it predates Roman. Not all match going fans behave or feel the way you suggest.

comment by Devil (U6522)
posted 1 hour, 48 minutes ago
It was a fatal error by Boehly - Clearlake to sack him when they did, without a coherent well thought out plan going forward.
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That's incorrect tbf. They did have a plan (part of the reason he was sacked). It was a sh!t plan, but they did have one
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Little unfair as clearly wasn't the owners plan to sack him initially, completely the opposite. Originally Tuchel was retained by the owners on their take over with their backing to continue as manager.

Tuchel himself said in a club presser that there had been talks of extending his contract to 2026.

PC was also retained the owners asking him to stay but PC taking his own decision to leave as he has confirmed several times.

We had also planned to bring in Edwards but he turned us down. The failure to recruit him, the lack of time to install an alternative (and the departure of PC) basically left TB and Tuchel working directly together in the entire player recruitment business for that vital initial window.

Things appeared to go rapidly downhill from then onwards with that relationship.

I just think the timing of everything was unfortunate, Tuchel obviously was going through some difficult times in his personal life, PC leaving was a real blow as he himself stated and then you have the added pressure of that working relationship with TB over recruitment, which is suggested was incredibly intense and intrusive to the detriment of his main role as a coach.

As mentioned above nobody really knows the exact reasons why TT was sacked, yes undoubtedly the owners quoted the "shared vision" reason but I still believe that originally they intended to go with him, but, things changed in that first period.

There are claims that TT's ex wife received notification of the reasons TT was sacked, and suggestions that these claims shared in an email were part of a temporary Injunction to prevent from being made public.

Personally was absolutely mortified when Tuchel went but as mentioned previously, was just a case on unfortunate timings with combined set circumstances. Tuchel deffo not quite right in himself though and the fact that he went to Kerala , India for rejuvenation therapy probably says quite a lot.

I think that the new owners biggest mistake was not ensuring that they had the "Edwards" position covered. That in effect left TB taking on the temporary mantle of Interim Sporting Director, with involvement/input from TT.

In an ideal world you would think perfect for the manager to be given such a free hand in player recruitment as far as targets were concerned but clearly the relationship didn't work out sadly.

Wish Tuchel well though and hopefully continues in management even if he is fired by Bayern. Have a notion that we may seem him again in the PL someday.

The above, and there are other rumours is why not all match going fans chant for Tuchel, many are now aware of this and more are learning of the background and circumstances surrounding his sacking. Like Chopper we were all surprised if not taken aback when it happened but we all talk and people know people and you learn things.

I say never go back. Even though it worked to some extent with Jose.

however Tuchel got the most out of imo one of the worst chelsea teams of the last 30 years.

Even this year the idea of sacking him seems a bit strange to me from bayerns point of view.
On course for more poitns and a better goal difference then last year.

I guess the big question mark is getting through in the CL.
But he's actually doing better than they were last year.

Leverkusen are just setting an unprecedented pace and on course to match the bundesliga points record.

I am a match going fan. I know a lot of match going fans, some more so than I, some less. I have a season ticket in the MHL and it predates Roman. Not all match going fans behave or feel the way you suggest.
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Of course it's not all match going fans, not every fan on the internet likes him either, but it proves he's not some divisive figure cos he's got large pockets of support from everywhere at Chelsea. An example of someone who didn't was Sarri, there was a MUCH more sympathetic support base present for him on the internet than their ever was in the stadium.

Not saying this is right, but if we end this season badly how much you wanna bet those Tuchel chants will get just a little bit louder in the stands?

chopper new boots

They had a plan in the sense the idea for a succession scheme was already in place - investing huge sums of money into nothing but young players & hiring as such (managers & sporting directors who share this vision).

That plan sucks IMO, but it was a plan.

I say never go back. Even though it worked to some extent with Jose.
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Nice phrase but I've never bought into it myself, familiarity has it's upsides as much as new experiences do. And in football the disasters tend to get glorified more than the successes in this respect.

Best example atm is probably Luton, on their journey to the PL "went back" twice. Worked out for them both times

comment by Devil (U6522)
posted 25 minutes ago
chopper new boots

They had a plan in the sense the idea for a succession scheme was already in place - investing huge sums of money into nothing but young players & hiring as such (managers & sporting directors who share this vision).

That plan sucks IMO, but it was a plan.
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I'm not sure that was their original plan. I think the original plan on takeover was to invest in the 3/4 players that the club felt was needed to enhance a depleted squad from the previous year, with the intention of those enhancements being enough to keep us at Elite CL level , the players bought were on massive wages, just look at Sterling.

I think went that went pear-shaped they did a total about turn and then went down the amortisation, lower wages ,long contracts and young players etc route.

So yeah the plan sucked but was in effect Plan B as a result of them f*king up Plan A.

Surely if they intended to go down the succession scheme from the start they would never have made the outlay of player/wages that they did in that first horrific recruitment window Sterling, Koulibaly, etc etc.

comment by Devil (U6522)
posted 1 hour, 53 minutes ago
I am a match going fan. I know a lot of match going fans, some more so than I, some less. I have a season ticket in the MHL and it predates Roman. Not all match going fans behave or feel the way you suggest.
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Of course it's not all match going fans, not every fan on the internet likes him either, but it proves he's not some divisive figure cos he's got large pockets of support from everywhere at Chelsea. An example of someone who didn't was Sarri, there was a MUCH more sympathetic support base present for him on the internet than their ever was in the stadium.

Not saying this is right, but if we end this season badly how much you wanna bet those Tuchel chants will get just a little bit louder in the stands?
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They would undoubtedly, it's sad.

comment by JFDI (U1657)
posted 2 days, 3 hours ago
The above, and there are other rumours is why not all match going fans chant for Tuchel, many are now aware of this and more are learning of the background and circumstances surrounding his sacking. Like Chopper we were all surprised if not taken aback when it happened but we all talk and people know people and you learn things.
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Probably the best and most accurate comment on this subject.

I too, was shocked when he was sacked, even though I acknowledge the football was appalling and the warning signs were evident pre-season, that all was not well. His post match interviews portrayed a totally different character to the one I’d been used to seeing.

I had hoped he’d be given the time and money to re-build but as JFDI alludes to, stories emanating about the real reasons for his dismissal have a habit of leaking out and once hearing them, they did make sense and if true would have made it awkward for the club to retain him.

I’m grateful for what he did achieve with us, but ultimately the rot set in under his watch and with the rumours of him being the architect of his own fall from grace, mean I’m not going to blame the owners or TT while the full circumstances of what happened behind the scenes are not made public.