Labour landslide

You may well be right, Dazza. After Brexit, Trump, 2019, and with European radical right parties doing well, I don't think I'll be able to stop worrying about this for a few years.

Yeah that’s understandable. There’s a real onus on Labour to make a material difference to people’s lives now they have this majority. My worry is that they don’t provide enough investment to avoid the ‘all the same’ rhetoric that feeds the radical right.

comment by Darren The String Fletcher (U10026)
posted 58 seconds ago
Yeah that’s understandable. There’s a real onus on Labour to make a material difference to people’s lives now they have this majority. My worry is that they don’t provide enough investment to avoid the ‘all the same’ rhetoric that feeds the radical right.
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Rory Stewart’s excellent point last night: Starmer has signed up to £18bn of spending cuts, ruled out tax rises and ruled out additional borrowing.

Not only can you not directly drive material change in the majority of people’s outcomes that way, you also cannot stimulate growth.

A large part of me hopes he’s been bullshiiiiting on these points, because if he sticks to them, it’s a) more of the same in terms of economic stagnation and widening outcomes, and b) the far right knocking on the door.

rosso, yeah I share those fears. Might as well copy what I just posted on 52’s article in response to Bales on this very point:

But there can be meaningful change with the right economic policy. There’s clearly a huge area between communist economics and the current neoliberal capitalism that we’re currently seeing, that can address a huge amount of problems in the country.

But it needs the support of the electorate and the party in power to enact it. The worrying thing is that it doesn’t have that support because so many are economically illiterate, selfish, greedy and, or, blinded by their social ideologies.

Tories aint joining with reform. Too many root and branch members would sooner vote LibDem than anything to do with Farage. Despite popular imagery not all tories are racists.

Too many moderates see right through Farage. Sure, it would get the knumbskull votes in the red wall but enough to offset defectors?

As for Farage - he will never be PM - can you imagine? Led UKIP with the worst attendance record of all MEPs in the EU parliament and made a grand total of ZERO amendment requests. He was there for the mischief and the expenses only. He is Boris heavy and make no mistake. He doesn't have the balls for hard work.

Like Truss he wouldn't care if he got papped out after 100 days - he'd have been in the chair, locked in his £120k pa and security detail and pass knighthoods to 50 more grifters. I'd be expecting the monarch to get MI5 to arrange a 'dodgy pint' for him before it came to that.

comment by Darren The String Fletcher (U10026)
posted 35 minutes ago
rosso, yeah I share those fears. Might as well copy what I just posted on 52’s article in response to Bales on this very point:

But there can be meaningful change with the right economic policy. There’s clearly a huge area between communist economics and the current neoliberal capitalism that we’re currently seeing, that can address a huge amount of problems in the country.

But it needs the support of the electorate and the party in power to enact it. The worrying thing is that it doesn’t have that support because so many are economically illiterate, selfish, greedy and, or, blinded by their social ideologies.

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Dazza

Agree completely.

I read earlier that the far right vote hasn't increased much from UKIP in 2015 to Reform now.

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comment by Darren The String Fletcher (U10026)
posted 35 minutes ago
rosso, yeah I share those fears. Might as well copy what I just posted on 52’s article in response to Bales on this very point:

But there can be meaningful change with the right economic policy. There’s clearly a huge area between communist economics and the current neoliberal capitalism that we’re currently seeing, that can address a huge amount of problems in the country.

But it needs the support of the electorate and the party in power to enact it. The worrying thing is that it doesn’t have that support because so many are economically illiterate, selfish, greedy and, or, blinded by their social ideologies.

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Dazza

Agree completely.
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Like a third way?

Third Way isn’t really any different economically from what we already have.

comment by Darren The String Fletcher (U10026)
posted 10 hours, 7 minutes ago
rosso, yeah I share those fears. Might as well copy what I just posted on 52’s article in response to Bales on this very point:

But there can be meaningful change with the right economic policy. There’s clearly a huge area between communist economics and the current neoliberal capitalism that we’re currently seeing, that can address a huge amount of problems in the country.

But it needs the support of the electorate and the party in power to enact it. The worrying thing is that it doesn’t have that support because so many are economically illiterate, selfish, greedy and, or, blinded by their social ideologies.

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