Where does the club go from here? It’s as clear as day, that the club needs to be sold to new owners. Owners that will be prepared to spend in the transfer market and also attract the best talent by paying higher wages. We have the stadium. We have the training facilities. We have nothing else. The reality is, as long as ENIC are making a pretty penny from the club / stadium, I just can’t see them selling which is frustrating.
So, if we’re stuck with ENIC, who comes in next? Ange simply doesn’t have the tactical nous to compete with other Premier League managers. You can get away with playing Plan A week in, week out for 90 minutes when you’re playing against Kilmarnock, St Mirren and Hibernian, but this is the Premier League, the most competitive sporting league in the world. His post match interview is alarming if you ask me. He still thinks we “played well" despite conceding 4 goals at home and losing a game. Bizarre. If he can’t realise that we should have either changed shape or slowed the game down and played on the counter after going 2-0 up, he has no place in any Premier League dugout, let alone a club trying for top 4.
Whilst I’m fed up of Levy and think he is the root cause of our problems, he needs to sack Ange today. There’s no point in delaying the inevitable. The writing is on the wall and this manager is out of his depth tactically.
Now that the dust has settled….
posted on 9/12/24
comment by Just another Tottenham fan (U7471)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Striketeam7 - staying humble (U18109)
posted 28 seconds ago
comment by Just another Tottenham fan (U7471)
posted 0 seconds ago
If Ange wins a cup and we finish 10th it will be mixed. I'll be happy about winning a cup but you wouldn't be able to ignore the bad league season either. Case in point is Ramos, does anyone look back at him with particular admiration? No, yet we look at managers who won less than him with more, like Poch and Redknapp.
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this says to me you want to come close without winning though. i wish we never got anywhere near that champions league final in hindsight but thats football and the journey was better than the win in my opinion so i understand what you mean.
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There wasn’t a win?
The journey - one of the flukiest ever if we’re being truthful. Group stage we had 1 point after 3 games and were 1-0 down in the 87th minute of the last group game only to score a heavy deflection and a bloke called Sainsbury’s to score an own goal and give us a win. We then scraped past Inter at home, scoring in the 80th minute and then clung on for dear life in the Nou camp before equalising out of nothing with 5 mins to go whilst Inter fell to a draw at home to PSV.
We battered Dortmund in the round of 16 - no luck there
City in the quarters, we are their bogey side for a reason. Aguero missed a pen after 5 mins, they miss chance after chance only for Ederson to throw one in the back of the net with a few mins to go. The game at the Etihad was just bonkers - our winning goal wouldn’t have stood under todays rules as it hit Llorente’s hand.
Finally, the luckiest win of them all, Ajax. I was at the home leg, they played us off the park but crucially David Neres missed both big chances to kill the tie. Second leg, the first half was a massacre, 2-0 down and no one would have complained if it had been 4-0. Then Poch finally worked out the code, long ball, De Ligt can’t head a ball and got schooled by Llorente and ETH didn’t change tactics to combat us and Onana had one of his butter fingers games of football.
Let’s not romanticise the journey, we used up a decades worth of luck to make that final
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ever thought football isn't for you fella?
if you couldn't enjoy that run then I suggest something else.
like going to a strip club and being annoyed she's not ACTUALLY into you.
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Ffs. I actually laughed out loud
posted on 9/12/24
I don't buy this idea you can't sack Ange as you can't possibly improve until ENIC are gone.
More of his signings might help, but he's lost 19 of his 53 PL games and his answer to that problem seems to be to plough ahead with plan A instead of some introspection.
We're 1/3rd of the way into his second season and he's 11th. Are we really saying the players currently at Spurs are not even good enough to be circa top 8?
posted on 9/12/24
comment by The Welsh Xavi (U15412)
posted 15 minutes ago
I don't buy this idea you can't sack Ange as you can't possibly improve until ENIC are gone.
More of his signings might help, but he's lost 19 of his 53 PL games and his answer to that problem seems to be to plough ahead with plan A instead of some introspection.
We're 1/3rd of the way into his second season and he's 11th. Are we really saying the players currently at Spurs are not even good enough to be circa top 8?
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This side should be finishing in the top 6 at the very least. Particularly as the likes of Man U and City are also going through rough patches this season. I genuinely think we’ll finish in the bottom half if this continues. As you say, there is no introspection whatsoever. Just double down and continue with the same sussed out tactics.
posted on 9/12/24
comment by Striketeam7 - staying humble (U18109)
posted 59 minutes ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Striketeam7 - staying humble (U18109)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Fred Slot (U3979)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 19 minutes ago
comment by Just another Tottenham fan (U7471)
posted 1 minute ago
People say changing the manager won't help, well it could do, couldn't it? Who is to say a good fit manager couldn't come in and get us performing the way we were hoping under Ange? It doesn't mean having to be super defensive either, we can still be more organised and flexible tactically while being an attacking unit.
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This pretty much sums up the Southgate era for England yet most fans would also be against this too.
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In what way like the Southgate era?
And why just judge Ange on cups? He should be judged on the whole package. You can't have the worst league performance you've had in decades and make out it's all good because you win something, as much as that would be a big bonus. League performance is a better reflection of a manager's progress IMO because there's a lot more required from the manager, whereas cup success can be determined more on luck.
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You guys should be accepting 17th place in the league if it means you finally get the trophy monkey off your back.
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The two things are not mutually exclusive. We should be able to achieve trophy success while doing reasonably well in the league too. Not sure I trust Ange to do either really. As I said on another article yesterday, I would fancy someone replacing him to have as much chance of picking up a trophy, if that is all we've got left to focus on. Mason for example.
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Which isn’t true, Ange has won things and Mason hasn’t despite being parachuted into a cup final.
That’s not me being Ange in, it’s just your opinion on this is completely false
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There's no such thing as being false when having an opinion on who has more chance. I think either candidate is as unlikely to win one, or as likely. People make out Mourinho is untouchable when it comes to winning in finals but he's lost 2 of his last 3.
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Mason has never won a final and Ange has never lost one, but you think Mason has a similar chance?
I don’t
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I don't even know if that's entirely true about his record? But even if it is you're talking about Mickey Mouse leagues at clubs that probably should clean up trophies. That was the case with Celtic at least.
All I'm saying is I don't expect much whether it's Ange or Mason at the helm. Ange will be lucky to even make it past this year to be able to win something in the first place. He'll probably lose his job before long.
posted on 9/12/24
comment by Don’s Dinner (U11802)
posted 22 minutes ago
comment by The Welsh Xavi (U15412)
posted 15 minutes ago
I don't buy this idea you can't sack Ange as you can't possibly improve until ENIC are gone.
More of his signings might help, but he's lost 19 of his 53 PL games and his answer to that problem seems to be to plough ahead with plan A instead of some introspection.
We're 1/3rd of the way into his second season and he's 11th. Are we really saying the players currently at Spurs are not even good enough to be circa top 8?
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This side should be finishing in the top 6 at the very least. Particularly as the likes of Man U and City are also going through rough patches this season. I genuinely think we’ll finish in the bottom half if this continues. As you say, there is no introspection whatsoever. Just double down and continue with the same sussed out tactics.
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Sorry Don but WHY should they be finishing top 6?
I agree with a lot of what you say, but few of the players in this squad have ever won anything or even demonstrated they can do it in the big leagues. They are all purchases from lower clubs or lower divisions. What genuine top player have we signed in the last three years that makes you think we should be top 6?
Vicario, udogie, bissouma, bentancur, dragusin, Werner etc etc
Is it possible they’re just not that good?
posted on 9/12/24
We do have some very good players that wouldn’t be out of place in top 6 sides
Kulu, vdv, Romero, son, Maddison, Porro
The others are very average imo, but with those mentioned top 6 is achievable with the right manager
posted on 9/12/24
Stupid player mistakes and performing cr@p have cost us points this season, it’s not all Ange’s fault
posted on 9/12/24
We have a nice stadium and training ground..... That should be enough !!!.... Style but no substance.. Bored of everything Spurs.... Nothing will ever change
posted on 9/12/24
comment by Mack (U6574)
posted 1 hour, 20 minutes ago
comment by Don’s Dinner (U11802)
posted 22 minutes ago
comment by The Welsh Xavi (U15412)
posted 15 minutes ago
I don't buy this idea you can't sack Ange as you can't possibly improve until ENIC are gone.
More of his signings might help, but he's lost 19 of his 53 PL games and his answer to that problem seems to be to plough ahead with plan A instead of some introspection.
We're 1/3rd of the way into his second season and he's 11th. Are we really saying the players currently at Spurs are not even good enough to be circa top 8?
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This side should be finishing in the top 6 at the very least. Particularly as the likes of Man U and City are also going through rough patches this season. I genuinely think we’ll finish in the bottom half if this continues. As you say, there is no introspection whatsoever. Just double down and continue with the same sussed out tactics.
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Sorry Don but WHY should they be finishing top 6?
I agree with a lot of what you say, but few of the players in this squad have ever won anything or even demonstrated they can do it in the big leagues. They are all purchases from lower clubs or lower divisions. What genuine top player have we signed in the last three years that makes you think we should be top 6?
Vicario, udogie, bissouma, bentancur, dragusin, Werner etc etc
Is it possible they’re just not that good?
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Because our players are better than those playing for at least 14 other Premier League clubs. To avoid repetition, see Sir Tottenham’s reply above 👍
posted on 9/12/24
comment by Sir Tottenham of Hotspur (U17379)
posted 2 hours, 56 minutes ago
We do have some very good players that wouldn’t be out of place in top 6 sides
Kulu, vdv, Romero, son, Maddison, Porro
The others are very average imo, but with those mentioned top 6 is achievable with the right manager
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Other than Kulu, I don’t think any of those players get in a top six team
If they were playing elsewhere like they’re playing for us, none of us would want to sign them