RVN ,gives confidence.

I'm not saying we would have stayed up with Cooper, but the facts are he was sacked when we were not in a relegation spot.

I'm hoping you're right, and Ruud will be Man U manager in a year or two, having been brilliantly successful with us.

The reason we weren’t in a relegation spot when he was binned is because he was sacked after only 12 games - before extensive damage was done. It’s no credit to Cooper - it’s like saying we shouldn’t have sacked Ranieri because he didn’t actually get us relegated. Doesn’t matter - he would have done

Cooper is one of the worst things Top has inflicted on this club for years - and that’s saying something

I do think we have given ourselves a fighting chance of staying up now. Let's face it, 3 weeks ago, we were all expecting to go down, but under RvN, we at least have a chance of staying up.

Don't get me wrong - we could still go down. Heck, we may still be the third favourites to go down. But I feel a lot more confident now, and the players have started to shown some fight and belief that was only there in very limited patches under Cooper.

I also actually feel excited for our matches again, which I can't help but feel is a feeling that will be rubbing off on the players as well.

If RvN can get players like Soumare, BDCR, Justin, Coady, Skipp etc (maybe even Faes ) playing to something like PL standard, it will also save us having to dip so heavily into the transfer market. We are stuck with these players for the foreseeable future, so might as well get something out of them (I fear we are stuck with an underperforming Ayew who will only ever be a semi-useful impact sub, but oh well).

Yes ,cooper was one of the worst things that has happened to our club98,but not his fault, decent man just out of his depth at this level.
The two worst other things that Top has done was to allow the Rodgers situation to drag on until we were doomed,and letting our Dof contine to steal a living from our club,when he has shown such continuous incompetence and appalling judgement in all he has done in recent years,but is still in a job.
In any other walk of life he would be long gone.

comment by 98 Problems (and promotion ain’t one) (U12353)
posted 1 day, 11 hours ago
The reason we weren’t in a relegation spot when he was binned is because he was sacked after only 12 games - before extensive damage was done. It’s no credit to Cooper - it’s like saying we shouldn’t have sacked Ranieri because he didn’t actually get us relegated. Doesn’t matter - he would have done

Cooper is one of the worst things Top has inflicted on this club for years - and that’s saying something
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I'm not a fan of Cooper and, although it's far too early to be confident that Ruud will get us out of this Top/Rudkin inspired mess we're in, his tenure so far does have a better feel to it. Time will tell if the good start is a harbinger of better things to come or a false dawn.

Your assertions that Cooper would have taken us down are simply your opinion. I am merely pointing out that despite what you say, we were not in a relegation spot when he got the boot; whatever you believe, the evidence in respect of points earned if anything supports a contrary theory.

I don’t think it’s just my opinion Nuneaton unless anyone else would want to actually state on this forum they were confident Cooper would have led us to survival. Nope didn’t think so!

The reason for that I suspect is because there’s far more data to pore over than just the points tally at the moment he was sacked. The underlying data suggests we were in a completely false position and the form table showed it wasn’t lasting.

It’s a very safe assertion to say he was taking us down. I think plenty would agree but happy to be proved wrong

Have to agree with 98. Cooper, albeit a good man, was not a suitable choice as manager, other than he cost nothing. His team selections, substitutions and tactics were all pretty dire. To exile Vestergaard from the first team training regime was bizarre.
Although we were not occupying any of the relegation slots, it was only on the back of two very fortunate wins against Bournemouth and Southampton, both of whom played us off the park and a similar situation with the draw against Spurs.
Clearly, the playing staff were not on board with him. Early days, but currently, they all appear to be on board with Van Nistelrooy.

comment by 98 Problems (and promotion ain’t one) (U12353)
posted 21 hours, 28 minutes ago
I don’t think it’s just my opinion Nuneaton unless anyone else would want to actually state on this forum they were confident Cooper would have led us to survival. Nope didn’t think so!

The reason for that I suspect is because there’s far more data to pore over than just the points tally at the moment he was sacked. The underlying data suggests we were in a completely false position and the form table showed it wasn’t lasting.

It’s a very safe assertion to say he was taking us down. I think plenty would agree but happy to be proved wrong
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I'm not saying he'd have kept us up and we will now never know if that would have happened or not seeing as he is no longer our manager. I've always thought we would struggle this year and still believe we may well get relegated. I'm not disagreeing with the lucky aspect of where we were either, although there are stats showing both Mads and Wilf at the top of the list so maybe a bit more than just good fortune. Cooper may have lived a charmed life but it is not beyond the bounds of possibility that he'd have kept us up.

Think of it this way, if what you and OWF are saying were applied to the start of the season, we ought to be bottom - we're not, he outperformed your expectations (and mine as it happens).

comment by Nuneaton_fox (U7936)
posted 5 hours, 40 minutes ago
comment by 98 Problems (and promotion ain’t one) (U12353)
posted 21 hours, 28 minutes ago
I don’t think it’s just my opinion Nuneaton unless anyone else would want to actually state on this forum they were confident Cooper would have led us to survival. Nope didn’t think so!

The reason for that I suspect is because there’s far more data to pore over than just the points tally at the moment he was sacked. The underlying data suggests we were in a completely false position and the form table showed it wasn’t lasting.

It’s a very safe assertion to say he was taking us down. I think plenty would agree but happy to be proved wrong
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I'm not saying he'd have kept us up and we will now never know if that would have happened or not seeing as he is no longer our manager. I've always thought we would struggle this year and still believe we may well get relegated. I'm not disagreeing with the lucky aspect of where we were either, although there are stats showing both Mads and Wilf at the top of the list so maybe a bit more than just good fortune. Cooper may have lived a charmed life but it is not beyond the bounds of possibility that he'd have kept us up.

Think of it this way, if what you and OWF are saying were applied to the start of the season, we ought to be bottom - we're not, he outperformed your expectations (and mine as it happens).
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One other point, would anyone would want to actually state on this forum they are confident Ruud will lead us to survival? If so, I'd call them optimistic.

comment by Nuneaton_fox (U7936)
posted 1 day, 22 hours ago
comment by Nuneaton_fox (U7936)
posted 5 hours, 40 minutes ago
comment by 98 Problems (and promotion ain’t one) (U12353)
posted 21 hours, 28 minutes ago
I don’t think it’s just my opinion Nuneaton unless anyone else would want to actually state on this forum they were confident Cooper would have led us to survival. Nope didn’t think so!

The reason for that I suspect is because there’s far more data to pore over than just the points tally at the moment he was sacked. The underlying data suggests we were in a completely false position and the form table showed it wasn’t lasting.

It’s a very safe assertion to say he was taking us down. I think plenty would agree but happy to be proved wrong
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I'm not saying he'd have kept us up and we will now never know if that would have happened or not seeing as he is no longer our manager. I've always thought we would struggle this year and still believe we may well get relegated. I'm not disagreeing with the lucky aspect of where we were either, although there are stats showing both Mads and Wilf at the top of the list so maybe a bit more than just good fortune. Cooper may have lived a charmed life but it is not beyond the bounds of possibility that he'd have kept us up.

Think of it this way, if what you and OWF are saying were applied to the start of the season, we ought to be bottom - we're not, he outperformed your expectations (and mine as it happens).
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One other point, would anyone would want to actually state on this forum they are confident Ruud will lead us to survival? If so, I'd call them optimistic.
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That’s far less to do with Ruud than the club he’s walked into. I wouldn’t be confident Ancelotti could keep us up.

That doesn’t let Cooper cowardly performances off the hook by any means however