Compared to last season, after 20 games, we have scored the same number of goals (42) let in 1 more (30 vs 29) but have 15 less points
AT the same time, we have scored 12 more than Villa, concede 2 less goals than them but sit 4 places and 8 points below them.
Its famine or feast with Ange's Spurs.
I do not think the reasoning is simple or just one thing. But a big factor in my mind is that Angeball demands high energy and intensity in the press for 90 minutes. We saw the the 2nd half of last season, even with a lot of injured players back, that the form was poor, results very up and down. I felt that a drop off in energy levels contributed massively to this .
To address this demands at least 2 things - bigger squad allowing for better rotation rest and substitutions. Better management of games. Knowing when to hold or retreat and knowing when to press and exert pressure.
I have never subscribed to a "Plan B" but I do think we need to be smarter and more selective as to when we go full Angeball.
It's very hard to judge us right now. The first dozen games we were still quite up and down, but the performances were generally pretty good. We have since seen some very poor performances and now we're just hanging on, putting in the effort and hoping for a change of luck.
I feel that players should learn from every experience, and use this to improve themselves, or drive themselves. I expected plenty of bumps int the road under Ange but I am disappointed that we do not seem to be learning quick enough, and some mistakes are repeated too often. And this isn't just tactics, its level of performances from players. Some players just have very sloppy games, too often, and that isn't good enough.
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posted on 7/1/25
Any chance you guys can copy and paste the bits you want to reply to? 😂
I like reading this stuff but scrolling down constantly is doing my head in
posted on 7/1/25
comment by Blackpolespur (U9242)
posted 1 hour, 26 minutes ago
Any chance you guys can copy and paste the bits you want to reply to? 😂
I like reading this stuff but scrolling down constantly is doing my head in
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posted on 7/1/25
After 20 games, the only thing that matters are the WDL. I don’t care if we win every game 1 nil and we have our record low goals scored for an entire season. Nor do I care how many goals we’ve scored and conceded last season. The focus is on the here and now and the reality is, we’ve played 20 games and only won 7. If you really want to compare, simply consider this: This season we are simply worst than what we were last season. That’s all we need to know.
posted on 8/1/25
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You're not as big a club as you think you are and it shows,
You've (the spurs fans) have chased multiple winners because you're impatient, the instant gratification generation encapsulated in a fan base.
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Oh do feck off
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Truth hurts eh
You, the fans, and I say this as someone that has a big soft spot for Tottenham for many years, youre so impatient for success you chase the managers who dont instantly deliver. That's fine if you're Chelsea who don't baulk at sacking managers but then back the new guy, Spurs won't do that, they need a long term plan with consistent leadership but the fans won't allow it a d Levy won't follow the Chelsea model.
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Spurs fans don't like to hear this but i think you are more or less correct.
The problem we have is that those impatient fans don't believe we will ever deliver under current ownership.
So really they are in a constant cycle of having little hope. You can only have your hopes crushed so many times!
My view is that clubs go through pretty clear cycles. All i expect and hope for is we take the next step. Under Poch we got so far, very close to the very top, but couldn't take the next step. For Ange he picked up a club in a mess, with an aging, average to poor squad. Some think the next step from that is success, it isnt IMO, there is a lot of work to be done before we can expect success. The question right now is can Ange take the nest step and that is far from certain. We have seen glimpses of how good it could be but not enough but right now, given the depleted squad, its not possible or right to judge whether he can deliver. We'll know more as the season progresses. But any manger that comes in will take on a very decent squad, that is incomplete and full of injuries and it wouldnt be right to judge them until much further down the line.
We will have to end the season well to restore faith that this can work
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This is wrong Dev. The perception we’re inpatient puts the onus on us when, in actual fact, we’re all more than prepared to play the waiting game. The truth is that most fans are disillusioned with the intentions of the board. After 20 years, we no longer believe that they want the success us fans do. We came close under Poch and whether it was a failure at board level or coaching staff, we refused to build when it mattered. So I think if you get close and don’t go the extra mile, most fans have lost faith that ENIC really want it. If someone said to me, give us five years and we’re going to build a side that can truly challenge for titles, I’d happily sit tight and wait. We just don’t believe it’ll happen because ultimately there’s a financial ceiling that prevents us from getting there. It’s got nothing to do with patience. Ange isn’t really important in this debate because frankly I’m not sure it matters who’s on the touchline. The obstacles are higher up.
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Which is why Hector's comment at the top are so right. We are not big as some of you think we are.
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Financially we are in as strong a position as most in the league, certainly Liverpool and Arsenal, yet it’s those two fighting it out for the league. This isn’t about financial muscle. It’s about financial intent.
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I find it odd that the owners have done amazingly to grow our spending power from spending about £50 - 80m a year to £100- £150m a year and are then criticized for not spending even more.
Most clubs work with what they have and our owners have put us into a position of having an awful lot and more than most. But there are rules, rules which Spurs have been one of the biggest voices in ensuring they are enforced. If we blew our load and found ourselves in Everton's position or even United position of needing to spend more but not being able to, fans would be equally critical.
We have huge spending power and what i am concerned with is what we do with that substantial sum....not stamping my feet expecting the owners to make that massive sum even bigger.
If we cannot build a quality squad with £0.5bn over 3 summers then be critical of who we have spent the money on, not how much.
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Ive dialed back my criticism of Levy.. I don't think Spurs fans can complain about what's been spent on the squad in the past few years. Sure, I never liked the Richie signing and Werner is a horrible player BUT I think this Spurs squad, managed properly with some smart tactics, putting players in positions to succeed is top 6 in the PL... Its up to Ange to use it properly and to maximize its strengths. I think he's doing a poor job of managing what he has.
Sometimes you can't drive a BMW like a Ferrari.. More often than not a BMW is perfectly good enough anyway
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You can't deny the money spent on fees but focus your attention on the ever decreasing wage bill for a sign of Levy's intentions. That's where the difference lies between us and the elite because elite players want big money. If you take that knowledge and consider that ticket sales puts us level with United and by far and away clearer than any other club it suggests we're spending below our weight. Don't be under any illusions about how much financial muscle we have.
Dev makes some good points. We have spent badly in the past but that's not a reason to avoid going big again. We can't let Ndombele be the marker for high value players and therefore believe that buying cheap is always the answer. I get that we've been stung but there's just something so cautious about our approach. In many ways PSR has given Levy the perfect excuse to operate cautiously. He's not doing it because of the rules. He's doing it because he's inherently thrifty. The word is that Spurs are the club putting most pressure on the PL to punish City. If that fails and City get a lenient punishment, then what? What happens when he can no longer lean against PSR to justify his approach? We've already seen how flexible clubs can be to get around PSR. Just look at how much Chelsea have spent and they're no longer in any trouble. How the feck is that possible? There are ways and means to spend more, largely on wages, but we don't do it. I know Dev will likely come back at me now and say that it's because we're early in the rebuild so naturally wages are always lower at the start but it's yet another rebuild. How much faith are we going to have that this build will even be finalised? None of the others ever were.
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The obsession with the wage bill is a red herring.
Wr are shifting old experience pros, Lloris Dier Kane etc and other like Sanchez and PEH and bringing fresh new talent.
Give me VDV on 50k a week over Dier on +100k any day of the week. Same for Spence vs Emerson. Same for Sarr over Hojberg, Vic vs Lloris, Udogie vs Perisic.
This idea that we are systematically trimming the wage bill as a cost saving exercise is wrong. It is a consequence of the rebuild process the squad is going through, not the driving force.
I can think of few if any examples of Spurs failing to get deals over wages, except things like Toney who we would no way pay 250k a week. Jeez, give me Bergvall on peanuts over Ndombele of 200k.
posted on 8/1/25
"Compared to last season, after 20 games, we have scored the same number of goals (42) let in 1 more (30 vs 29) but have 15 less points "
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And what would a football genius conclude from that?
Absolutely nothing.......
League standing depends only on the scores at the end of the games you play..........
You could score 100 goals in one game and win it, but lose all your other games 0-1.
You would be the highest scoring team in the premiership, and sit exactly at the .............
BOTTOM.
posted on 8/1/25
comment by JustCallMeTed (U21528)
posted 3 hours, 53 minutes ago
"Compared to last season, after 20 games, we have scored the same number of goals (42) let in 1 more (30 vs 29) but have 15 less points "
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And what would a football genius conclude from that?
Absolutely nothing.......
League standing depends only on the scores at the end of the games you play..........
You could score 100 goals in one game and win it, but lose all your other games 0-1.
You would be the highest scoring team in the premiership, and sit exactly at the .............
BOTTOM.
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Good point Ted. In season 1937/38 Manchester City were top scorers with 80 goals, and were relegated. Always good to know a bit about football history.
posted on 8/1/25
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 19 hours, 13 minutes ago
comment by Luka Bosh Brasi (U22178)
posted 29 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 28 minutes ago
You're not as big a club as you think you are and it shows,
You've (the spurs fans) have chased multiple winners because you're impatient, the instant gratification generation encapsulated in a fan base.
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This is true. Been telling posters on here to stat humble for yonks.
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Except we are based on value and earnings which is why we deserve better than cheapskate Levy.
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When the real tenants the NFL & Taylor Swift are in town you mean
posted on 8/1/25
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 2 hours, 26 minutes ago
comment by JustCallMeTed (U21528)
posted 3 hours, 53 minutes ago
"Compared to last season, after 20 games, we have scored the same number of goals (42) let in 1 more (30 vs 29) but have 15 less points "
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And what would a football genius conclude from that?
Absolutely nothing.......
League standing depends only on the scores at the end of the games you play..........
You could score 100 goals in one game and win it, but lose all your other games 0-1.
You would be the highest scoring team in the premiership, and sit exactly at the .............
BOTTOM.
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Good point Ted. In season 1937/38 Manchester City were top scorers with 80 goals, and were relegated. Always good to know a bit about football history.
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posted on 8/1/25
comment by JustCallMeTed (U21528)
posted 8 hours, 42 minutes ago
"Compared to last season, after 20 games, we have scored the same number of goals (42) let in 1 more (30 vs 29) but have 15 less points "
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And what would a football genius conclude from that?
Absolutely nothing.......
League standing depends only on the scores at the end of the games you play..........
You could score 100 goals in one game and win it, but lose all your other games 0-1.
You would be the highest scoring team in the premiership, and sit exactly at the .............
BOTTOM.
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The point was that its a bit of a quirk.
Its odd that our defence isnt that bad and our strike force is hot, so you'd think it would = success.
As someone posted above, when we win we win very very well, by 3 or 4 goals almost every time. The rest of the time we lose.
To me it shows 2 things. 1. we are capable of great football. Our wins have not been confined to crap teams. 2. The approach requires we have to play well or we lose.
1. Gives us hope. 2. Needs to be addressed or the manager will pay with his job.
posted on 8/1/25
comment by Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
posted 2 hours, 50 minutes ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 19 hours, 13 minutes ago
comment by Luka Bosh Brasi (U22178)
posted 29 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 28 minutes ago
You're not as big a club as you think you are and it shows,
You've (the spurs fans) have chased multiple winners because you're impatient, the instant gratification generation encapsulated in a fan base.
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This is true. Been telling posters on here to stat humble for yonks.
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Except we are based on value and earnings which is why we deserve better than cheapskate Levy.
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When the real tenants the NFL & Taylor Swift are in town you mean
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Chelsea fan laugh at Spurs about their stadium Next you'll be mocking our shirt sponsor