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We have to be short term it’s right now 98 because we’re going down and we have to work out how we don’t disappear like Derby and Sunderland have.

I still want Rudkin out but I just don’t see how a change of ownership fixes any of the financial challenges. Rudkin will go, the pressure is becoming to big. I want to see a new start under the existing ownership but with new leadership on the football side of things.

If it doesn’t happen after this season I’ll call for Top to go.

But right now, Faes OUT

Mersey, the problem is that Wout Faes is a symptom of our decline, not just a cause of our immediate problems.

He's a symptom of the high wage, low quality culture within the club

He's a symptom of failure 2 years ago still being rewarded with a starting place now

He's a symptom of how terrible our recruitment has been since 2021

He's a symptom of how badly our squad has declined over the past 2-3 years - Wout Faes does not get into our starting XI 3 years ago

He's a symptom of the arrogance and narcissistic attitude that has infiltrated the club, believing his own hype and thinking he's too good for us

Frankly, there aren't many players in this squad who are a better example of how we have fallen in recent years than Wout Faes. He's the epitome of Top's Leicester City of 2021-25.

comment by Foxello - "a miserable Rodgers obsessed weirdo" (U6985)
posted 1 hour, 36 minutes ago
Mersey, the problem is that Wout Faes is a symptom of our decline, not just a cause of our immediate problems.

He's a symptom of the high wage, low quality culture within the club

He's a symptom of failure 2 years ago still being rewarded with a starting place now

He's a symptom of how terrible our recruitment has been since 2021

He's a symptom of how badly our squad has declined over the past 2-3 years - Wout Faes does not get into our starting XI 3 years ago

He's a symptom of the arrogance and narcissistic attitude that has infiltrated the club, believing his own hype and thinking he's too good for us

Frankly, there aren't many players in this squad who are a better example of how we have fallen in recent years than Wout Faes. He's the epitome of Top's Leicester City of 2021-25.
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I don’t he’ll get it but this is perfectly articulated Foxello thanks

Another way of putting it (and sorry for the analogy) imagine if you had a form of cancer that was causing a tumour which produced painful symptoms in one place. The cancer didn’t start there but that’s where the pain is right now.

Your option could be to remove the tumour causing the current pain. Infact, every time you get pain somewhere else the doctors could just deal with it as it occurs- remove the next tumour, and then the next one.

Or what you could do is a full MRI body scan, go into hospital for weeks, long period of tests and then identify the source and perhaps a long term treatment plan could save your life

Merseys approach to our long term decline is akin to someone playing “Whack-a-Mole”. Faes is appalling - get him out. Dakas terrible - sell him. Rudkin is to blame (I don’t disagree) - he needs to go.

Yet as you’ve pointed out - while short term planning is needed, history will repeat unless you tackle the source

Top either has to learn and do a wholesale change in his approach or he has to go

Mersey is right that in the short term it won’t stop the rot - but in the long term, it could save our life so to speak

comment by Merseysidefox (U4842)
posted 13 hours, 4 minutes ago
We have to be short term it’s right now 98 because we’re going down and we have to work out how we don’t disappear like Derby and Sunderland have.

I still want Rudkin out but I just don’t see how a change of ownership fixes any of the financial challenges. Rudkin will go, the pressure is becoming to big. I want to see a new start under the existing ownership but with new leadership on the football side of things.

If it doesn’t happen after this season I’ll call for Top to go.

But right now, Faes OUT
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Ok that’s fair - I hadn’t read your full response before posting mine

So - although nearly everyone was calling on Top to kick Rudkin out 2 years ago (which you weren’t), while you proclaimed “Faith in our Owners” last season and this time last year you disagreed that Top was still getting it wrong (which we pointed out he was by keeping Rudkin in post) - you’re now FINALLY prepared to admit that just maybe Top has let this slide for too long

Rather than “Faith in our owners” you are giving Top until the end of the season to make a decision he should have done long ago. Oh and by the way - if he does boot Rudkin out and make a change - he’s doing it on the back of enormous fan pressure

At least you’re getting there mate - step by step! 😂

I understand and agree with everything that Foxello says 98. The malaise and rot that set in under Rodgers has never been rectified.

It is a bit like the pre Pearson era where managers would come and not sort out the rotten core that went through the team.

PSR has totally hamstrung us so we can make massive player changes and no manager has been able to get a cohesive team out of the players.

But will this be fixed by a change of manager or change of ownership? Whichever it is it’s complex, complicated and runs deep.

comment by Merseysidefox (U4842)
posted 45 minutes ago
I understand and agree with everything that Foxello says 98. The malaise and rot that set in under Rodgers has never been rectified.

It is a bit like the pre Pearson era where managers would come and not sort out the rotten core that went through the team.

PSR has totally hamstrung us so we can make massive player changes and no manager has been able to get a cohesive team out of the players.

But will this be fixed by a change of manager or change of ownership? Whichever it is it’s complex, complicated and runs deep.
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Again - I feel like you’ve missed the point of Foxellos post. Completely.

You’re focusing on the wrong thing entirely. That’s the point Foxello is making. The squad is a symptom of a much much deeper problem. The malaise and rot isn’t at squad level - it’s at club level under this ownership

You want to address what’s eating away at this club which has run through to the culture of the players? Look at the boardroom and look at the change at this club since Vichai passed. Check our sponsorship deals. The disdain with which the fans are treated, the lack of fan engagement, the ticket prices.

Your point about PSR is revealing because I’ve heard you excuse Top on that one multiple times. It isn’t PSR that’s hamstrung us - it’s our reckless mismanagement of it

Even with the PSR issue - Top, by handing power to Rudkin has allowed him to dismantle everything Vichai helped build. Strong recruitment, selling players at a profit, ruthless decision making when it comes to the manager.

Stop looking at the players. Stop looking JUST at Rudkin. Look at where the buck stops and ask yourself - after 3 years of this, do you trust him to turn the club around and implement the changes needed?

comment by 98 Problems (and promotion ain’t one) (U12353)
posted 5 hours, 26 minutes ago
comment by Merseysidefox (U4842)
posted 45 minutes ago
I understand and agree with everything that Foxello says 98. The malaise and rot that set in under Rodgers has never been rectified.

It is a bit like the pre Pearson era where managers would come and not sort out the rotten core that went through the team.

PSR has totally hamstrung us so we can make massive player changes and no manager has been able to get a cohesive team out of the players.

But will this be fixed by a change of manager or change of ownership? Whichever it is it’s complex, complicated and runs deep.
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Again - I feel like you’ve missed the point of Foxellos post. Completely.

You’re focusing on the wrong thing entirely. That’s the point Foxello is making. The squad is a symptom of a much much deeper problem. The malaise and rot isn’t at squad level - it’s at club level under this ownership

You want to address what’s eating away at this club which has run through to the culture of the players? Look at the boardroom and look at the change at this club since Vichai passed. Check our sponsorship deals. The disdain with which the fans are treated, the lack of fan engagement, the ticket prices.

Your point about PSR is revealing because I’ve heard you excuse Top on that one multiple times. It isn’t PSR that’s hamstrung us - it’s our reckless mismanagement of it

Even with the PSR issue - Top, by handing power to Rudkin has allowed him to dismantle everything Vichai helped build. Strong recruitment, selling players at a profit, ruthless decision making when it comes to the manager.

Stop looking at the players. Stop looking JUST at Rudkin. Look at where the buck stops and ask yourself - after 3 years of this, do you trust him to turn the club around and implement the changes needed?
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I don’t think I have missed it.

I feel like you want me to blame everything on Top and KP and I don’t feel the same as you on that one. Yes he’s accountable for the over spending, for trusting Rudkin who trusted Rodgers. But I don’t think the malaise is as simple as the ownership. That’s just my view and I’m happy for you to disagree with it.

You can disagree with any view you want, what’s pretty annoying Mersey is the way you try and make out you’re in agreement with us all when fundamentally you’re probably one of the only Leicester fans left who won’t hold Top responsible for the situation we are in

I’ll be super clear - I don’t think you’re in agreement with anyone on this board from what I’m reading. If you’re happy with your opinion - that’s fine, but do us all a favour and stop making out you’re on the same page as most of us. You’re not.

The dividing line between you and most of this board is huge. You won’t hold Top responsible for where we are. You make excuses for him over and over again. I think you’ve been completely embarrassed on that front - but that’s your right. For the record though- I think Foxello, Nuneaton, Thorney etc can see where the blame lies

But let’s stop going around in circles. You don’t see Top as ultimately accountable. That’s fine. But everytime you start your cringe inducing “hey we’re all on the same page aren’t we guys” nonsense - I’ll be on here to remind you we’re not

You’ve given Top until the end of the season. That’s bookmarked so let’s see where we go from here

I don’t say we’re on the same page 98, clearly we’re not on Top and I still don’t feel like a change of ownership will fix this. But if Top doesn’t make the right changes and decisions to have the right leaders in place (namely DoF and Manager) then there will come a time when enough will be enough. I’m just not there yet.

At the end of the season, if we go down and no changes are made I’ll start to lose faith. If we start the season badly and changes aren’t made, I would be calling for a change of ownership. So it’s not just the end of the season. It’s the end of the season without action that will tip me.

Let’s be honest, we’re down aren’t we.

I think where we are in agreement is that a change in ownership now isn’t going to stop us being relegated and it isn’t going to solve the horrible mess Top has created financially, nor the impending sanctions from the EFL.

The argument I’m putting to you is that Top has demonstrated time and again that he is causing further damage by compounding his mistakes with new ones - which is making the mess far more damaging and far more long term for any new potential owner to fix (if he does sell)

It’s now got to the point where the damage he has caused through his indecisiveness, terrible managerial decision making and his insistence on backing Rudkin has probably destined us for 2 or 3 years of mid table championship obscurity

I’m already convinced that he’s incapable of fixing this judging his actions over the last 3 years. It was blatantly obvious Rudkin needed to go alongside Rodgers. That decision not to make that change has damaged us severely. The fact the fans are having to force his hand on Rudkin tells you everything about his weak leadership

You’re hopeful that Top will see the light. I’m worried that even if he does - his track record suggest that his next DoF appointment could be just as bad