I hope we drop out of the top 4

Oh no, that's a very weak response, but when you have no real ammunition to go on to defend your long-held stance I can understand it.

Foundations? We have over two decades of those: https://www.ja606.co.uk/articles/viewArticle/466642

Refutes all your arguments and the PSR / FFP stuff has been proven to be drivel PR media spin. I knew you'd drop that one in there because you've fallen for it of course.

I'll call customers customers if they are customers until they stop behaving like customers and start acting like fans again. That's a rather hypocritical audacious request from someone who literally just wrote: "Is the OP even a fan?" as well.

"They spend money"... SMH 🤦‍♂️

What media PR spin? Look at the published accounts. Pointing to another thread of nonsense is not proof of anything.

https://swissramble.substack.com/p/arsenal-finances-202324

That article kills anything you say dead and you know it but don't want to admit it to yourself - you're wrong, you've always been wrong - deal with it / live with it / start getting used to that fact - whatever.

As does this re PSR / FFP: https://www.football365.com/news/man-city-ffp-sources-reveal-punishment-fine-verdict

Accounts and books are cooked all the time.

That's just been another excuse for the club to hide behind in terms of the owners not injecting their own capital and for customers like you to use to make their weird defences of the Kroenkes.

They maybe cooked where you come from but HMRC are pretty good at targeting businesses so no they are not doing anything criminal.

PSR rules specifically stop clubs injecting capital into clubs. That's what the battle between City and the Premier League is all about. That's to maintain fair competition and stops clubs creating a monopoly, which is why Man City have 115 charges against them. No one knows what the outcome of the charges against Man City will be. But you have to wonder why they went on a spending surge in Jan, overpaying for relatively unknown players, if they thought like some gen z from football365 all they were going to get was a fine.

You just said the accounts kill my argument? How is that? Please explain. Have you even grasped what my argument is?

comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 2 minutes ago
They maybe cooked where you come from but HMRC are pretty good at targeting businesses so no they are not doing anything criminal.

PSR rules specifically stop clubs injecting capital into clubs. That's what the battle between City and the Premier League is all about. That's to maintain fair competition and stops clubs creating a monopoly, which is why Man City have 115 charges against them. No one knows what the outcome of the charges against Man City will be. But you have to wonder why they went on a spending surge in Jan, overpaying for relatively unknown players, if they thought like some gen z from football365 all they were going to get was a fine.

You just said the accounts kill my argument? How is that? Please explain. Have you even grasped what my argument is?
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There's criminal cooking and there's legal cooking.

Same way as there is tax evasion and tax avoidance.

That article does not refute what I wrote at all, the PSR / FFP stuff has been a convenient excuse for Arsenal and the Kroenkes to pump out with their PR through their cosy journalist relationships. Surely you must have grown wise to Arsenal doing this over all these years?

Nobody is demanding the Kroenkes splash hundreds of millions every window but less than £20m of their own capital injected over 20 odd years? The mind boggles as to how you can defend that lack of ambition when we've been in dire need of reinforcements in every single one of those transfer windows.

https://i.postimg.cc/jdmsFvvN/2.jpg

You don't have to wonder why they wend on a spending spree.

They did it because they were having a shocking season, had an injury crisis and their elite serial winning squad has reached the end of its lifespan. So they did what proper owners who have any ambition of winning things do in that situation - invest and sign quality.

*went

The point is, Kroenke's have spent since Josh Kroenke took over. Sometimes not too wisely. Arsenal are the 5th biggest spenders. Players like Jesus/Zinny/Havertz/Rice/Raya/Ramsdale/Timber/Cala/Ben White etc. all cost £30m+. €557m in the last 5 years. I believe only City will increase in the figures quoted after the Jan window.

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/premier-league/fuenfjahresvergleich/wettbewerb/GB1

Cooking the books is a term used for fraud. Not sure what Arsenal will gain from manipulatiing accounts that is not 'illegal'? The Premier League is very hot on policing PSR so how could they even do that. Instead of making sweeping unverified statements why don't you point me to some?

Josh Kroenke is to blame for some of the recent mess. But you have to look a bit more deeply at what that is. We have been in upward trajectory but the people he appointed to replace, Vinai Venkatesham have been poor. Garlick allowed Edu to leave mid-season, following a diabolical summer 24. That's the reason our challenge has fallen apart. We did not invest in attack last summer, left the squad very thin and invariably when injuries happened, has left our challenge in tatters. Which is very hard to swallow after Man City finally crashed to the ground.

comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 6 hours, 41 minutes ago
The point is, Kroenke's have spent since Josh Kroenke took over. Sometimes not too wisely. Arsenal are the 5th biggest spenders. Players like Jesus/Zinny/Havertz/Rice/Raya/Ramsdale/Timber/Cala/Ben White etc. all cost £30m+. €557m in the last 5 years. I believe only City will increase in the figures quoted after the Jan window.

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/premier-league/fuenfjahresvergleich/wettbewerb/GB1

Cooking the books is a term used for fraud. Not sure what Arsenal will gain from manipulatiing accounts that is not 'illegal'? The Premier League is very hot on policing PSR so how could they even do that. Instead of making sweeping unverified statements why don't you point me to some?

Josh Kroenke is to blame for some of the recent mess. But you have to look a bit more deeply at what that is. We have been in upward trajectory but the people he appointed to replace, Vinai Venkatesham have been poor. Garlick allowed Edu to leave mid-season, following a diabolical summer 24. That's the reason our challenge has fallen apart. We did not invest in attack last summer, left the squad very thin and invariably when injuries happened, has left our challenge in tatters. Which is very hard to swallow after Man City finally crashed to the ground.
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You're probably wasting your time Jenius. The guys username is "You can't buy class" yet he's crying because we don't have a an owner spending hundreds of millions of their own money to buy success