We play West Ham on Thursday,who had a great result yesterday.
Cant see anything other than another defeat so really can't see Ruud being with us much longer.
Of course it isn't all his fault,the board are very much to blame,but to see the scenes on Friday when thousands left early ,and the stadium was virtually empty at the end was a terrible but predictable indication of the state of our club from the Top to the bottom.
The board won't take responsibility,and seem totally oblivious to the discontent within the club,so will look to blame the manager
The fault iies with the board who have clearly made a rushed and hopeful appointment,and clearly it isn't working.
Wrong man ,wrong time, am sure he must realise that himself.
All becoming more and more embarrassing for our once great club
Will he last the week?
posted on 23/2/25
comment by 98 Problems (and promotion ain’t one) (U12353)
posted 1 hour, 12 minutes ago
comment by 1 Father- 1 Love - 2 Reds (U13312)
posted 1 hour, 7 minutes ago
If I haven’t said it before, I genuinely have nothing against LCFC. You’re not Derby! It really is a shame to see what’s happening to you. I hope the right changes get made to see you competing properly in the PL soon. I always look back at those 2 seasons you narrowly missed out on Champions League under Brendan and think things would’ve been so different if you’d qualified
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Thanks mate appreciated. Likewise unlike the Derby fans most of the Forest supporters on here are a very decent bunch.
You’re right about champions league but the real issue was the club gambling financially on making top 4, which of course was completely irresponsible. They were running us unsustainably for 3 years while at the same time letting Rudkin and Rodgers get rid of some of the best recruitment and sports science/fitness staff we’ve ever had
It’s unforgivable what the owner has allowed to happen - the worst part of course was keeping the DoF firmly in position after the shambolic relegation under Rodgers and the loss of £130m worth of talent who left the club for nothing
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This!
posted on 23/2/25
comment by Foxello - "a miserable Rodgers obsessed weirdo" (U6985)
posted 50 minutes ago
Whether he will go or should go, it doesn't really matter anymore. We are going down and a change of manager now won't change that. This isn't the same scenario as 2 years ago where an earlier change of manager would have significantly improved our chances of survival. The squad that season was better than our predicament and, on the pitch, largely due to Rodgers' toxic mix of incompetence and lack of professionalism. This season, we are where we should be. We have easily the second worst squad in the league - we are far weaker than 2 years ago, and probably worse than last season having sold out best player and failing to replace him. If it wasn't for Southampton and their comedic inability to be a football team, we'd probably be bottom.
In normal circumstances, we'd be sure looking at sacking RvN. Maybe we are. But it won't make the blindest but of difference, so is there any point?
We made the wrong appointment in the summer, followed by yet another disastrous recruitment policy. We then made a second wrong appointment and didn't bother with a recruitment policy. No manager worth their salt would touch us with a 6 foot bargepole right now.
We are a dying football club living on the faint memory of past glories. I am increasingly of the view that we need 3 or 4 years outside the PL to give us time to find new owners and rebuild from top to bottom. Sure, we might go up next season, but we'll be back in the same place 12 months later, because the club won't change anything. We are back in the 2004-08 era. Things will need to get much worse before they can start to get better.
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This.
posted on 23/2/25
comment by downsouf (U4095)
posted 2 hours, 51 minutes ago
I read this article much earlier, before our two fans chipped in, but I failed to respond because I didn’t have the heart to do so at the time.
Looking at the remaining fixtures for the season, and the likelihood that City are going to finish up on the losing side for most of them, I can’t see anything but relegation being inevitable, certainly in the current light of things. Personally, I think the manager should go, but at this point in the campaign, what difference would an interim make now? Pulling rabbits out of the hat?-it has surpassed that stage. It is now almost too late. If they’ve got any sense at the King Power, they’ll be in there today mulling over RVN’s future. I suspect, too, that he will be staying with the aspect of a rebuild very much in their minds come August in the Championship. Meanwhile, I feel sorry for all the stalwarts such as Warwick, who’ve had their good money wasted, without as much as a glimmer of hope that the team will remain in the top flight next season.
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And this!
posted on 23/2/25
Looking at the remaining fixtures, to be fair, I can’t see any more than a possible 8 points being accumulated. That may well be an optimistic view.
posted on 23/2/25
Fellow Foxes, if you do not want to be further depressed, stop reading here. I asked ChatGPT to predict the results in our remaining fixtures. It said we would have 1 win (Southampton), 2 draws (Ipswich & Newcastle) and lose the rest, with 6 goals scored and 23 conceded. I actually felt this was overly optimistic. If it is correct we will end the season with 22 points (5 wins, 7 draws, 26 defeats) with a GD of -51 (31 scored & 82 conceded). Thumbing through the records in Fossils and Foxes indicates that the above would set new all time club records for the lowest number of points, highest number of defeats and for the largest negative goal difference. It would also be a record-equalling low for number of wins, and the third lowest 'goals scored' figure in the club's history. It would be the the worst 'goals conceded' count since the 1990-1 season......and that had 46 games.
Really struggling to find anything positive in this season - aside from the results, its the worst set of performances I can recall in 56 years of going to the games. We need a complete clear out and to start from scratch. Hopefully this can be done without dropping down to League One (or lower), but I am not so sure.
posted on 23/2/25
comment by Double Decker Fox (U2980)
posted 38 minutes ago
Fellow Foxes, if you do not want to be further depressed, stop reading here. I asked ChatGPT to predict the results in our remaining fixtures. It said we would have 1 win (Southampton), 2 draws (Ipswich & Newcastle) and lose the rest, with 6 goals scored and 23 conceded. I actually felt this was overly optimistic. If it is correct we will end the season with 22 points (5 wins, 7 draws, 26 defeats) with a GD of -51 (31 scored & 82 conceded). Thumbing through the records in Fossils and Foxes indicates that the above would set new all time club records for the lowest number of points, highest number of defeats and for the largest negative goal difference. It would also be a record-equalling low for number of wins, and the third lowest 'goals scored' figure in the club's history. It would be the the worst 'goals conceded' count since the 1990-1 season......and that had 46 games.
Really struggling to find anything positive in this season - aside from the results, its the worst set of performances I can recall in 56 years of going to the games. We need a complete clear out and to start from scratch. Hopefully this can be done without dropping down to League One (or lower), but I am not so sure.
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Depressing doesn’t quite cover it DD! I started following the club in 1960 and you’re bang on. Never seen a worse City team in all those 65 years.
And when you think back to the Jimmy Bloomfield days, it didn’t get much more entertaining than that.
posted on 23/2/25
I am like yourself Warwick,saw first game in 66.
Seen so many ups and downs including the Shipman years,Peter Failure and Barrie Pierrpoint.
Yes nothing can take away nine years ago,but to say the current situation is depressing is putting it mildly.
Really can't see where this is going to end,and is totally the responsibility of the board.
The tragic loss of our wonderful chairman a few years ago I feared would put us back,but no one could have predicted what we would have become .
Just so sad and after so many years of loyal support I have never feared for the future as much as I do now.
Think I need another drink!!
posted on 23/2/25
I'm hindsight, it's clear now that the fateful night Vichai died was when our dream started to fade too.
Yes, we had a good 2 or 3 years after that and we had that wonderful day in the sun at Wembley (two if you want to include the Community Shield), but that was the final remnants of Vichai's legacy. After that, the club got too big for it's boots, Top gave Rodgers and Rudkin too much power and the beams started to snap. The Forest cup tie was probably the first visible sign of our decline but that summer after the FA Cup win set things into motion.
Our success was not an overnight one, nor was it a quick rise and fall. But it was built on sand and it only took a couple of years of incompetence for our castle to topple over, and it won't be rebuilt anytime soon. Now, we are rudderless, leaderless and heading in only direction.
posted on 23/2/25
comment by Foxello - "a miserable Rodgers obsessed weirdo" (U6985)
posted 6 hours, 4 minutes ago
Whether he will go or should go, it doesn't really matter anymore. We are going down and a change of manager now won't change that. This isn't the same scenario as 2 years ago where an earlier change of manager would have significantly improved our chances of survival. The squad that season was better than our predicament and, on the pitch, largely due to Rodgers' toxic mix of incompetence and lack of professionalism. This season, we are where we should be. We have easily the second worst squad in the league - we are far weaker than 2 years ago, and probably worse than last season having sold out best player and failing to replace him. If it wasn't for Southampton and their comedic inability to be a football team, we'd probably be bottom.
In normal circumstances, we'd be sure looking at sacking RvN. Maybe we are. But it won't make the blindest but of difference, so is there any point?
We made the wrong appointment in the summer, followed by yet another disastrous recruitment policy. We then made a second wrong appointment and didn't bother with a recruitment policy. No manager worth their salt would touch us with a 6 foot bargepole right now.
We are a dying football club living on the faint memory of past glories. I am increasingly of the view that we need 3 or 4 years outside the PL to give us time to find new owners and rebuild from top to bottom. Sure, we might go up next season, but we'll be back in the same place 12 months later, because the club won't change anything. We are back in the 2004-08 era. Things will need to get much worse before they can start to get better.
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Although I agree with the first part of this, we'll never know if Cooper would have kept us up as Top panicked and made what is becoming self-evidently a disastrous appointment. A shame really, as RVN is an impressive, well-spoken guy who I hope will go on to have much success with a better squad of players at his disposal and proper backing from any future board. It has been somewhat surreal to see one of the best strikers in recent history on our touchline .
There is definitely some point in recognising the folly of this appointment and making a change now, otherwise we risk going in to the next season with a team that has patently given up, has zero confidence, can't defend to save their lives (although how such a team can go from containing the second best in the country for 80 minutes to last Friday's awful performance is beyond me) and is likely to be whipping boys for the remainder of this term (save some miracle happening).
Unfortunately, we have got ourselves in such a state that the only sensible way forward is not to try and play in the Championship and hopefully 2026-7 in the EPL as if we're building a team to compete for European places, but instead to deliver the task at hand: 1 get promoted from the EFL next year and 2. stay up the following year and then construct a platform for longer term success. Regrettably that means there is a large Dyche shaped elephant in the room. I just wish that our owners/management will realise that a pragmatic approach is needed; what is not required is replicating 2023-4. I hear what you say but hope that Sean would still look on our club as a good opportunity for his career (best training facilities in the EFL mate!).
In an ideal world we'd be rid of Rudders and have a competent DoF in place, also we'd dump the obsession with trying to be mini-Man City and go back to strong defence/counter attacking - you must permit me my fantasy please!
To take issue on another point you made, in no way are we in 2004-08 territory, the squad we have today, as poor as it is for the task in hand, ought to make a decent fist of it next year in the Championship. Of course there is any PSR punishment that may be beckoning to muddy the promotion waters but that can be a worry for next season.
I'm hoping we'll do quite well at the lower level so look forward to better times after the summer. If we get promoted again then it needs to be with a team that can defend, is together and will fight for every point as if their lives depended on it.
To end on a more positive note, we get 4 more games for our season ticket next year. And no VAR!
posted on 23/2/25
comment by Foxello - "a miserable Rodgers obsessed weirdo" (U6985)
posted 27 minutes ago
I'm hindsight, it's clear now that the fateful night Vichai died was when our dream started to fade too.
Yes, we had a good 2 or 3 years after that and we had that wonderful day in the sun at Wembley (two if you want to include the Community Shield), but that was the final remnants of Vichai's legacy. After that, the club got too big for it's boots, Top gave Rodgers and Rudkin too much power and the beams started to snap. The Forest cup tie was probably the first visible sign of our decline but that summer after the FA Cup win set things into motion.
Our success was not an overnight one, nor was it a quick rise and fall. But it was built on sand and it only took a couple of years of incompetence for our castle to topple over, and it won't be rebuilt anytime soon. Now, we are rudderless, leaderless and heading in only direction.
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I agree with most of this, but we are unfortunately definitely not ruddersless!