Ange got crucified when Spurs

We've been rebuilding. A process that should have been better managed over time but poor decisions with Poch, then covid, the sacking Jose, then having Nuno , then not then having Conte who imploded, it was a mess of our making. So I have said so many times that these decisions have set us back. Not how much we have spent because we are one of the highest spenders in Europe.

But once you start that renewal of the squad, there is always going to be a blend of experience and potential. We havent just gone down the Gray Tel Bergvall route, we have also signed Madders, Solanke, Romero, Vic who are far more experienced players.

I would also agree that now, we need a bit more experience and that we really do not need to add more kids to the squad, so i will judge what happens this summer (although if there's no Europe then the likelihood of big signings is limited - financially but also attracting them).

Shockingly bad take from Devon to say we are also flying if Villa are flying. Goodness me

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Yeah but he’s managing Bournemouth, not Spurs.
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He's getting a better tune out of an inferior squad so it is totally a false comparison by Sandy.

That said, i would express some caution about coaches like Iraola. When they make that step up in terms of what they are expected to achieve there is no certainty that they can cope with the pressure or deliver.

He would be a punt with PL experience but far less experience at winning trophies than Ange.

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I think we put too much emphasis on winning things from a manager. After all, all winning managers were at a stage where they weren't winning anything before they won something. They have to get the ball rolling somewhere.

I'd rather someone who is a better fit for Spurs because we've tried managers who have won things before and that hasn't come through in their tenures with us. Give me someone who has proved themselves at a middling club in a top league over a manager who has won trophies in crappy leagues like Ange has.
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I think that is the difficult position we find ourselves in as a club, because we haven't won something for so long.

I almost feel like we need to get that monkey off our back because the pressure from fans is massive and it would be lovely to move on from that tag. I think it would liberate us as a club because it is a massive burden which the media/pundits/fans ram down our throats constantly.

Winning is a habit so if you have a squad that's never won anything and a manager that's never won anything, it's hard to visualise winning stuff. Not to say we cannot win stuff with someone like Iraola but its more of an uncertain punt.
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It's as uncertain with managers who have won something, unless we were to get someone who is really elite but that's never going to happen. The recognised winning managers we tried probably weren't the best fits for us because they carry the baggage of having a demanding personality and that kind of clashes with Levy. As we know it didn't end well for Jose and Conte and both were at odds with the board. Ange has a winning background too but we've already addressed the problems there.

Poch, like Iraola, never had winning experience but he came as close as any of them to winning something with Spurs. I'd rather aim to replicate that and then with the sort of spending we've been giving to Ange, get even closer to a trophy. It would at least be an enjoyable ride along the way if we ended up missing out.

I have no stake in this game, Sandy, as I'm not overly sold on Iraola either but tell me, would you take Eddie Howe now? I know it's not an option but I seem to remember you scoffing at the idea of Spurs hiring Howe based on his final year at Bournemouth. The point is that good managers have blips. They're not defined by a 5-10 game recent run. It's more than that.

For someoen that accuses others of having wild opinions routinely, you sure are kneejerk yourself, more than anyone else on this board.

My doubts about Iraola are irrelevant but your reasoning is beyond laughable. Is Guardiola a dud? He lost about 10 games in a row. Of course not. Same applies.

Open your eyes and look at the bigger picture.

For what it's worth, if we do win the Europa League, and I know it's unlikely, I'd happily keep Ange for another year? Why, you ask? Because next summer Poch becomes available...

...and I can't wait to read your reaction.

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Shockingly bad take from Devon to say we are also flying if Villa are flying. Goodness me
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Since Villa signed Assensio and Rashford they managed 1 more point than us 💪 FLYING!!!

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comment by Robbing Hoody - Sorry for having a better goa... (U6374)
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Yeah but he’s managing Bournemouth, not Spurs.
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He's getting a better tune out of an inferior squad so it is totally a false comparison by Sandy.

That said, i would express some caution about coaches like Iraola. When they make that step up in terms of what they are expected to achieve there is no certainty that they can cope with the pressure or deliver.

He would be a punt with PL experience but far less experience at winning trophies than Ange.

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I think we put too much emphasis on winning things from a manager. After all, all winning managers were at a stage where they weren't winning anything before they won something. They have to get the ball rolling somewhere.

I'd rather someone who is a better fit for Spurs because we've tried managers who have won things before and that hasn't come through in their tenures with us. Give me someone who has proved themselves at a middling club in a top league over a manager who has won trophies in crappy leagues like Ange has.
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I think that is the difficult position we find ourselves in as a club, because we haven't won something for so long.

I almost feel like we need to get that monkey off our back because the pressure from fans is massive and it would be lovely to move on from that tag. I think it would liberate us as a club because it is a massive burden which the media/pundits/fans ram down our throats constantly.

Winning is a habit so if you have a squad that's never won anything and a manager that's never won anything, it's hard to visualise winning stuff. Not to say we cannot win stuff with someone like Iraola but its more of an uncertain punt.
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It's as uncertain with managers who have won something, unless we were to get someone who is really elite but that's never going to happen. The recognised winning managers we tried probably weren't the best fits for us because they carry the baggage of having a demanding personality and that kind of clashes with Levy. As we know it didn't end well for Jose and Conte and both were at odds with the board. Ange has a winning background too but we've already addressed the problems there.

Poch, like Iraola, never had winning experience but he came as close as any of them to winning something with Spurs. I'd rather aim to replicate that and then with the sort of spending we've been giving to Ange, get even closer to a trophy. It would at least be an enjoyable ride along the way if we ended up missing out.


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I think this squad with a couple additions could be very good with a very good coach. If we got Conte now and not when he had the dregs of Pochs group and Joaes covid signings he'd have far less to moan about.

Don't want Conte because he's a cuuunt but Iraola is the equivalent of signing an up and coming player. He may turn out great he may not. I wouldn't be against Iraola but I see it as a punt which means we have to show patience, and if he fails to deliver quickly we are back here again.....endless moaning.

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comment by BISS Bash BOSSED (U8366)
posted 51 minutes ago
Shockingly bad take from Devon to say we are also flying if Villa are flying. Goodness me
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Since Villa signed Assensio and Rashford they managed 1 more point than us 💪 FLYING!!!
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Villa are 2 points off the CL spots , in the quarters of the CL , in the FA semi final and 14 points ahead of us.. Asensio already scored 9 goals and their new signings playing a part. Yeah as you said, flying!!! 👍🏽

😂 he like to present as a logical fan who is not a blind follower of levy, but actually just provides context and reality to the situation, and no knee jerking.

But quite clearly you can see he’s a troll

I have to agree- Iraola doesn’t excite me as the next boss once Ange is given the boot

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comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
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comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - Sorry for having a better goa... (U6374)
posted 8 minutes ago
Yeah but he’s managing Bournemouth, not Spurs.
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He's getting a better tune out of an inferior squad so it is totally a false comparison by Sandy.

That said, i would express some caution about coaches like Iraola. When they make that step up in terms of what they are expected to achieve there is no certainty that they can cope with the pressure or deliver.

He would be a punt with PL experience but far less experience at winning trophies than Ange.

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I think we put too much emphasis on winning things from a manager. After all, all winning managers were at a stage where they weren't winning anything before they won something. They have to get the ball rolling somewhere.

I'd rather someone who is a better fit for Spurs because we've tried managers who have won things before and that hasn't come through in their tenures with us. Give me someone who has proved themselves at a middling club in a top league over a manager who has won trophies in crappy leagues like Ange has.
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I think that is the difficult position we find ourselves in as a club, because we haven't won something for so long.

I almost feel like we need to get that monkey off our back because the pressure from fans is massive and it would be lovely to move on from that tag. I think it would liberate us as a club because it is a massive burden which the media/pundits/fans ram down our throats constantly.

Winning is a habit so if you have a squad that's never won anything and a manager that's never won anything, it's hard to visualise winning stuff. Not to say we cannot win stuff with someone like Iraola but its more of an uncertain punt.
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It's as uncertain with managers who have won something, unless we were to get someone who is really elite but that's never going to happen. The recognised winning managers we tried probably weren't the best fits for us because they carry the baggage of having a demanding personality and that kind of clashes with Levy. As we know it didn't end well for Jose and Conte and both were at odds with the board. Ange has a winning background too but we've already addressed the problems there.

Poch, like Iraola, never had winning experience but he came as close as any of them to winning something with Spurs. I'd rather aim to replicate that and then with the sort of spending we've been giving to Ange, get even closer to a trophy. It would at least be an enjoyable ride along the way if we ended up missing out.


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I think this squad with a couple additions could be very good with a very good coach. If we got Conte now and not when he had the dregs of Pochs group and Joaes covid signings he'd have far less to moan about.

Don't want Conte because he's a cuuunt but Iraola is the equivalent of signing an up and coming player. He may turn out great he may not. I wouldn't be against Iraola but I see it as a punt which means we have to show patience, and if he fails to deliver quickly we are back here again.....endless moaning.
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Could be true about Conte. I reckon he'd have more chance of winning with us now.

We have a talented squad and at the rate we're spending money, if that continues, then it won't necessarily need a winning manager to win us something, as nonsensical as that sounds. I mean Howe won something with Newcastle. It shows it can be done.

Whoever comes in, I think there is going to be some patience there to win a trophy if there is some significant improvement in form. After how bad this season has been it will be a relief for everyone just to see the club getting fewer losses and finishing top half for now.