Ignore the point this account is trying to make, because it's just nonsense, and listen to what Jonathan Wilson has to say on the whole Ange In/Out debate...
https://x.com/footballconfid1/status/1928496862874542502?s=46
It's very, very hard to disagree with him. If we were Ange out before the final, what on earth did the final display that could possibly have changed our minds? We were mostly turgid and were very lucky to play the worst United side in living memory.
So why are we drifting towards Ange in?
I know I am but I can't really work out why, other than simply the emotional draw of winning a trophy. All the evidence points towards logic saying he should go - sure, we've had injuries, but not for 18 straight months, which is how long the poor form has been going on for.
He'll probably say "next year, once we get some experience, we'll be better" but didn't he say last year that we'll be better for more European games? We've been so much worse than anyone could have imagined. I'm not sure we can take Ange's promises as anything other than hollow. If he has the players under a spell, it stands to reason it can also happen to fans. He's a very good orator, I'll give him that, but what about his managerial credentials? It's now May 2025 and we've never really been all that great on the eye or anything other than inconsistent since November 2023. That's pretty alarming and shouldn't be ignored when making this decision.
Given the nature of the videos Spurs are beginning to put out, the Ange propaganda is in full swing and I think we're leaning towards keeping him on, which ultimately is probably the only decision Levy can make. If he sacks him now, Levy's the villain. If he waits until a poor start to next year, it'll feel more justified and Ange will face the wrath.
I think he deserves another go but that's my heart speaking. My head is screaming "Noooooo". Time will tell.
If head ruled heart on this, it's an absolute no brainer.
In or out?
posted on 2/6/25
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
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comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
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comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
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comment by Spurtle (U1608)
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I was Ange in out before and I'm Ange in out now. The cup if you want to analyse it, was as much a happy accident and an anomaly, as it was Ange using his tactical nous to win it. The situation was in place for us to do well.
Overall though the season was poorly managed, so why should a few games in a cup against weakish opposition, be a better gauge to judge Ange on than the 30+ games in which we were rubbish?
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I don't think you can put down the cup win as an anomaly. We shocked Frankfurt, Bodo and United with our more passive approach and that was down to Ange. If you apply the logic of that famous Chelsea game where we played 'our' way regardless of being down to 9 men, Ange has unquestionably moved the needle since then. With the injuries we had in the final, I'm convinced that we'd have lost that game had we opened up and Ange deserves a lot of credit for choosing to go against his principles in order to win.
We can't cherry pick successes and put them down luck. I don't think we need to. The league form has been so catastrophic that it has Ange bang to rights anyway. We don't need to spin anything.
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I mean if you were to say at the start we'd reach a semi and we just have to overcome Bodo Glimt and a Man United who had been at their worst for decades, who we'd also beaten 3 times already, you'd think we hit the jackpot. I haven't checked but has there ever been a European final involving 2 such low placed teams? 16th vs 17th? That's the anomaly.
Yes Ange's tactics worked well for the final though I'm not entirely sure now if that's because of the injuries or not, and like you say, did that actually work in our favour?
From Ange's perspective, which is how we should be looking at it, he was rather lucky to still be in a job by the final and have that opportunity to win it. A lot of managers haven't had the luxury of time.
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All we had to do in 2008 was beat a relegated Pompey to make it to an FA Cup final vs Cardiff City. We failed and that is one of many failures in the last few decades where Spurs on paper should be there or thereabouts.
There is no talking down this Europa achievement because of the "luck of the draw" etc because fans like you give no quarter when we lose to the Champions in a semi final, or away at Fulham in Ange's 4th game in charge or vs Champions City in the 5th round. You use these outcomes to beat the manager/club but when we get the job done you are just as quick to talk down how easy it was on paper! You tipped teams to beat us almost every time, including United who, on paper, have had a better season than us.
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I find it hard not to talk down what Ange did and try and fathom reasons why it happened, since we have been so poor in the league.
Objectively speaking though, there is no denying we had a less difficult opponent to overcome in a final than previous finals. I didn't think we'd beat United owing to the Spursiness we go through in those sorts of games and United's recent tournament winning experience, but we always had a chance against a team who we beat 3 times already and who were having a poor season like ourselves. As it turned out, the opposite of Spursiness happened and we won with a lucky own goal and survived last ditch efforts to hold on to the lead through Vic's save and VDV's block.
As for the Portsmouth game, I still remember that and it unfortunately did have that Spursiness that had followed us around like a bad smell - a very slippery pitch that led to Dawson slipping at the wrong time for Portsmouth to score and also a legit goal ruled out. We were unlucky.
Fans now talk of Ange like he is some master of trophies because of the Europa win, yet it's funny how last season we went out of both cups at an early stage. It was our worst performance in the domestic cups for nearly 20 years.
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The squad Ange has plus all the injuries only the A team can compete - so last year he focused on the league - this year the Europa cup - next season with less injuries, youngsters getting better and some strengthening he will surely do well on all fronts ?
posted on 2/6/25
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
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comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 1 day, 23 hours ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 1 hour, 8 minutes ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 8 seconds ago
I was Ange in out before and I'm Ange in out now. The cup if you want to analyse it, was as much a happy accident and an anomaly, as it was Ange using his tactical nous to win it. The situation was in place for us to do well.
Overall though the season was poorly managed, so why should a few games in a cup against weakish opposition, be a better gauge to judge Ange on than the 30+ games in which we were rubbish?
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I don't think you can put down the cup win as an anomaly. We shocked Frankfurt, Bodo and United with our more passive approach and that was down to Ange. If you apply the logic of that famous Chelsea game where we played 'our' way regardless of being down to 9 men, Ange has unquestionably moved the needle since then. With the injuries we had in the final, I'm convinced that we'd have lost that game had we opened up and Ange deserves a lot of credit for choosing to go against his principles in order to win.
We can't cherry pick successes and put them down luck. I don't think we need to. The league form has been so catastrophic that it has Ange bang to rights anyway. We don't need to spin anything.
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I mean if you were to say at the start we'd reach a semi and we just have to overcome Bodo Glimt and a Man United who had been at their worst for decades, who we'd also beaten 3 times already, you'd think we hit the jackpot. I haven't checked but has there ever been a European final involving 2 such low placed teams? 16th vs 17th? That's the anomaly.
Yes Ange's tactics worked well for the final though I'm not entirely sure now if that's because of the injuries or not, and like you say, did that actually work in our favour?
From Ange's perspective, which is how we should be looking at it, he was rather lucky to still be in a job by the final and have that opportunity to win it. A lot of managers haven't had the luxury of time.
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All we had to do in 2008 was beat a relegated Pompey to make it to an FA Cup final vs Cardiff City. We failed and that is one of many failures in the last few decades where Spurs on paper should be there or thereabouts.
There is no talking down this Europa achievement because of the "luck of the draw" etc because fans like you give no quarter when we lose to the Champions in a semi final, or away at Fulham in Ange's 4th game in charge or vs Champions City in the 5th round. You use these outcomes to beat the manager/club but when we get the job done you are just as quick to talk down how easy it was on paper! You tipped teams to beat us almost every time, including United who, on paper, have had a better season than us.
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Yeh when Spurs lose semi finals to the champions it's a failure. When Spurs beat a lesser team that is also a failure to some supporters. Like Spurs are the only side in football history to play one or two smaller sides in a cup competition.
Spurtle will post all sorts of nonsense because of his hatred of Ange.
posted on 3/6/25
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 14 hours, 45 minutes ago
comment by JustCallMeTed (U21528)
posted 3 hours, 31 minutes ago
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 4 hours, 28 minutes ago
comment by JustCallMeTed (U21528)
posted 5 hours, 35 minutes ago
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 14 hours, 33 minutes ago
comment by JustCallMeTed (U21528)
posted 1 hour, 17 minutes ago
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 15 hours, 45 minutes ago
Not another boring Ange out article. He has just won Europe's 2nd biggest trophy, and still supporters are banging the Ange out drum.
Ask yourself what was his brief at the start of the season. A trophy and CL. One would have been fine. The fact that he has attained both should be enough to keep at Spurs for another five years minimum.
Had Pochettino done what Ange has just achieved. Bot in a million years would be having this conversation.
It seems winning the Europa for some is not good enough, then they have to start questioning how they achieved it, and start to downplay the competition. Total nonsense. Spurs won it on merit, and were absolutely worthy winners.
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1. Postecoglu's brief at the start of the season was 4th place in the Premiership.
There was absolutely no mandate to acheive Champions League competition.
2. He failed miserably in that brief and landed the club in an unbelievable 17th place, one above relagation with the worst loss record in the clubs history.
3. Luckily we had an easy path thru the Europa league and managed a really lucky win against a God Awful Manu squad.
4. So now you argue Postecoglu should be given the chance to get us relegated next season?
5. Some fans may agree with you. I do not.
The guy can now march out of WHL with his head high and his boast of always winning something in his second season intact.
But to give him another crack at relegation is sheer madness.
6. The squad needs a total overhaul, older players replaced by young future stars like Gray and Bergvall, and a new manager with experience of winning in the Premiership, the toughest competition in the world.
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Ted posting absolute twaddle again.
His brief would have been CL or a trophy. He achieved both. Only a simpleton like you would say otherwise.
Spurs didn't have an easy path through Europa. They played 15 matches, and were worthy winners. Only a simpleton like you would say otherwise.
Ange won't get Spurs relegated. Only a simpleton like you would say he would.
The moral of Ted's ridico8pist is that he us a complete simpleton, and thinks Spurs winning a trophy and getting CL should never be allowed to happen because Ange was the manager.
Ted you dope.
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You obviously didn't watch the final match against Manu.
Our only goal was a ricochet off a defender.
And we had too rely on the unbelievable athleticism of VDV to keep the ball out of our net.
Sandy you are a royal WUM and a twerp to boot.
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Sorry I didn't know deflected goals were not allowed.
Would you rather had the goal chalked off?
You really are one of the stupidest Spurs fans on the forum.
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You are the idiot here....deflected goals are lucky.
Our win was due to good luck against a damned awful team.
Sandy you have Alzheimers, admit it and shut your mouth.
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Spurs played 15 teams to win the Europa Ted. Not one.
It's you that have a problem with remembering things. Time for your medication I think.
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another total irrelevancy from the Sandy clown.
posted on 3/6/25
comment by JustCallMeTed (U21528)
posted 42 minutes ago
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 14 hours, 45 minutes ago
comment by JustCallMeTed (U21528)
posted 3 hours, 31 minutes ago
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 4 hours, 28 minutes ago
comment by JustCallMeTed (U21528)
posted 5 hours, 35 minutes ago
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 14 hours, 33 minutes ago
comment by JustCallMeTed (U21528)
posted 1 hour, 17 minutes ago
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 15 hours, 45 minutes ago
Not another boring Ange out article. He has just won Europe's 2nd biggest trophy, and still supporters are banging the Ange out drum.
Ask yourself what was his brief at the start of the season. A trophy and CL. One would have been fine. The fact that he has attained both should be enough to keep at Spurs for another five years minimum.
Had Pochettino done what Ange has just achieved. Bot in a million years would be having this conversation.
It seems winning the Europa for some is not good enough, then they have to start questioning how they achieved it, and start to downplay the competition. Total nonsense. Spurs won it on merit, and were absolutely worthy winners.
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1. Postecoglu's brief at the start of the season was 4th place in the Premiership.
There was absolutely no mandate to acheive Champions League competition.
2. He failed miserably in that brief and landed the club in an unbelievable 17th place, one above relagation with the worst loss record in the clubs history.
3. Luckily we had an easy path thru the Europa league and managed a really lucky win against a God Awful Manu squad.
4. So now you argue Postecoglu should be given the chance to get us relegated next season?
5. Some fans may agree with you. I do not.
The guy can now march out of WHL with his head high and his boast of always winning something in his second season intact.
But to give him another crack at relegation is sheer madness.
6. The squad needs a total overhaul, older players replaced by young future stars like Gray and Bergvall, and a new manager with experience of winning in the Premiership, the toughest competition in the world.
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Ted posting absolute twaddle again.
His brief would have been CL or a trophy. He achieved both. Only a simpleton like you would say otherwise.
Spurs didn't have an easy path through Europa. They played 15 matches, and were worthy winners. Only a simpleton like you would say otherwise.
Ange won't get Spurs relegated. Only a simpleton like you would say he would.
The moral of Ted's ridico8pist is that he us a complete simpleton, and thinks Spurs winning a trophy and getting CL should never be allowed to happen because Ange was the manager.
Ted you dope.
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You obviously didn't watch the final match against Manu.
Our only goal was a ricochet off a defender.
And we had too rely on the unbelievable athleticism of VDV to keep the ball out of our net.
Sandy you are a royal WUM and a twerp to boot.
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Sorry I didn't know deflected goals were not allowed.
Would you rather had the goal chalked off?
You really are one of the stupidest Spurs fans on the forum.
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You are the idiot here....deflected goals are lucky.
Our win was due to good luck against a damned awful team.
Sandy you have Alzheimers, admit it and shut your mouth.
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Spurs played 15 teams to win the Europa Ted. Not one.
It's you that have a problem with remembering things. Time for your medication I think.
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another total irrelevancy from the Sandy clown.
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Ted clearly rattled Spurs won a trophy.
Oh and another thing we had a bet on it. I hope you haven't welched on the charity bet like GB did? You owe a charity £20. You gobbed off plenty pre final. Now just pay up.
posted on 3/6/25
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 1 hour, 55 minutes ago
comment by JustCallMeTed (U21528)
posted 42 minutes ago
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 14 hours, 45 minutes ago
comment by JustCallMeTed (U21528)
posted 3 hours, 31 minutes ago
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 4 hours, 28 minutes ago
comment by JustCallMeTed (U21528)
posted 5 hours, 35 minutes ago
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 14 hours, 33 minutes ago
comment by JustCallMeTed (U21528)
posted 1 hour, 17 minutes ago
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 15 hours, 45 minutes ago
Not another boring Ange out article. He has just won Europe's 2nd biggest trophy, and still supporters are banging the Ange out drum.
Ask yourself what was his brief at the start of the season. A trophy and CL. One would have been fine. The fact that he has attained both should be enough to keep at Spurs for another five years minimum.
Had Pochettino done what Ange has just achieved. Bot in a million years would be having this conversation.
It seems winning the Europa for some is not good enough, then they have to start questioning how they achieved it, and start to downplay the competition. Total nonsense. Spurs won it on merit, and were absolutely worthy winners.
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1. Postecoglu's brief at the start of the season was 4th place in the Premiership.
There was absolutely no mandate to acheive Champions League competition.
2. He failed miserably in that brief and landed the club in an unbelievable 17th place, one above relagation with the worst loss record in the clubs history.
3. Luckily we had an easy path thru the Europa league and managed a really lucky win against a God Awful Manu squad.
4. So now you argue Postecoglu should be given the chance to get us relegated next season?
5. Some fans may agree with you. I do not.
The guy can now march out of WHL with his head high and his boast of always winning something in his second season intact.
But to give him another crack at relegation is sheer madness.
6. The squad needs a total overhaul, older players replaced by young future stars like Gray and Bergvall, and a new manager with experience of winning in the Premiership, the toughest competition in the world.
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Ted posting absolute twaddle again.
His brief would have been CL or a trophy. He achieved both. Only a simpleton like you would say otherwise.
Spurs didn't have an easy path through Europa. They played 15 matches, and were worthy winners. Only a simpleton like you would say otherwise.
Ange won't get Spurs relegated. Only a simpleton like you would say he would.
The moral of Ted's ridico8pist is that he us a complete simpleton, and thinks Spurs winning a trophy and getting CL should never be allowed to happen because Ange was the manager.
Ted you dope.
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You obviously didn't watch the final match against Manu.
Our only goal was a ricochet off a defender.
And we had too rely on the unbelievable athleticism of VDV to keep the ball out of our net.
Sandy you are a royal WUM and a twerp to boot.
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Sorry I didn't know deflected goals were not allowed.
Would you rather had the goal chalked off?
You really are one of the stupidest Spurs fans on the forum.
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You are the idiot here....deflected goals are lucky.
Our win was due to good luck against a damned awful team.
Sandy you have Alzheimers, admit it and shut your mouth.
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Spurs played 15 teams to win the Europa Ted. Not one.
It's you that have a problem with remembering things. Time for your medication I think.
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another total irrelevancy from the Sandy clown.
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Ted clearly rattled Spurs won a trophy.
Oh and another thing we had a bet on it. I hope you haven't welched on the charity bet like GB did? You owe a charity £20. You gobbed off plenty pre final. Now just pay up.
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Ha ha only Spurs fans could be angry after a successful season !
posted on 3/6/25
comment by Nichoglou (U14419)
posted 29 minutes ago
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 1 hour, 55 minutes ago
comment by JustCallMeTed (U21528)
posted 42 minutes ago
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 14 hours, 45 minutes ago
comment by JustCallMeTed (U21528)
posted 3 hours, 31 minutes ago
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 4 hours, 28 minutes ago
comment by JustCallMeTed (U21528)
posted 5 hours, 35 minutes ago
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 14 hours, 33 minutes ago
comment by JustCallMeTed (U21528)
posted 1 hour, 17 minutes ago
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 15 hours, 45 minutes ago
Not another boring Ange out article. He has just won Europe's 2nd biggest trophy, and still supporters are banging the Ange out drum.
Ask yourself what was his brief at the start of the season. A trophy and CL. One would have been fine. The fact that he has attained both should be enough to keep at Spurs for another five years minimum.
Had Pochettino done what Ange has just achieved. Bot in a million years would be having this conversation.
It seems winning the Europa for some is not good enough, then they have to start questioning how they achieved it, and start to downplay the competition. Total nonsense. Spurs won it on merit, and were absolutely worthy winners.
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1. Postecoglu's brief at the start of the season was 4th place in the Premiership.
There was absolutely no mandate to acheive Champions League competition.
2. He failed miserably in that brief and landed the club in an unbelievable 17th place, one above relagation with the worst loss record in the clubs history.
3. Luckily we had an easy path thru the Europa league and managed a really lucky win against a God Awful Manu squad.
4. So now you argue Postecoglu should be given the chance to get us relegated next season?
5. Some fans may agree with you. I do not.
The guy can now march out of WHL with his head high and his boast of always winning something in his second season intact.
But to give him another crack at relegation is sheer madness.
6. The squad needs a total overhaul, older players replaced by young future stars like Gray and Bergvall, and a new manager with experience of winning in the Premiership, the toughest competition in the world.
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Ted posting absolute twaddle again.
His brief would have been CL or a trophy. He achieved both. Only a simpleton like you would say otherwise.
Spurs didn't have an easy path through Europa. They played 15 matches, and were worthy winners. Only a simpleton like you would say otherwise.
Ange won't get Spurs relegated. Only a simpleton like you would say he would.
The moral of Ted's ridico8pist is that he us a complete simpleton, and thinks Spurs winning a trophy and getting CL should never be allowed to happen because Ange was the manager.
Ted you dope.
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You obviously didn't watch the final match against Manu.
Our only goal was a ricochet off a defender.
And we had too rely on the unbelievable athleticism of VDV to keep the ball out of our net.
Sandy you are a royal WUM and a twerp to boot.
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Sorry I didn't know deflected goals were not allowed.
Would you rather had the goal chalked off?
You really are one of the stupidest Spurs fans on the forum.
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You are the idiot here....deflected goals are lucky.
Our win was due to good luck against a damned awful team.
Sandy you have Alzheimers, admit it and shut your mouth.
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Spurs played 15 teams to win the Europa Ted. Not one.
It's you that have a problem with remembering things. Time for your medication I think.
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another total irrelevancy from the Sandy clown.
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Ted clearly rattled Spurs won a trophy.
Oh and another thing we had a bet on it. I hope you haven't welched on the charity bet like GB did? You owe a charity £20. You gobbed off plenty pre final. Now just pay up.
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Ha ha only Spurs fans could be angry after a successful season !
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Just remember what I said...build the squad NOW for next season...
6. The squad needs a total overhaul, older players replaced by young future stars like Gray and Bergvall, and a new manager with experience of winning in the Premiership, the toughest competition in the world.
posted on 3/6/25
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 14 hours, 45 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 1 hour, 59 minutes ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 1 day, 23 hours ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 1 hour, 8 minutes ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 8 seconds ago
I was Ange in out before and I'm Ange in out now. The cup if you want to analyse it, was as much a happy accident and an anomaly, as it was Ange using his tactical nous to win it. The situation was in place for us to do well.
Overall though the season was poorly managed, so why should a few games in a cup against weakish opposition, be a better gauge to judge Ange on than the 30+ games in which we were rubbish?
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I don't think you can put down the cup win as an anomaly. We shocked Frankfurt, Bodo and United with our more passive approach and that was down to Ange. If you apply the logic of that famous Chelsea game where we played 'our' way regardless of being down to 9 men, Ange has unquestionably moved the needle since then. With the injuries we had in the final, I'm convinced that we'd have lost that game had we opened up and Ange deserves a lot of credit for choosing to go against his principles in order to win.
We can't cherry pick successes and put them down luck. I don't think we need to. The league form has been so catastrophic that it has Ange bang to rights anyway. We don't need to spin anything.
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I mean if you were to say at the start we'd reach a semi and we just have to overcome Bodo Glimt and a Man United who had been at their worst for decades, who we'd also beaten 3 times already, you'd think we hit the jackpot. I haven't checked but has there ever been a European final involving 2 such low placed teams? 16th vs 17th? That's the anomaly.
Yes Ange's tactics worked well for the final though I'm not entirely sure now if that's because of the injuries or not, and like you say, did that actually work in our favour?
From Ange's perspective, which is how we should be looking at it, he was rather lucky to still be in a job by the final and have that opportunity to win it. A lot of managers haven't had the luxury of time.
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All we had to do in 2008 was beat a relegated Pompey to make it to an FA Cup final vs Cardiff City. We failed and that is one of many failures in the last few decades where Spurs on paper should be there or thereabouts.
There is no talking down this Europa achievement because of the "luck of the draw" etc because fans like you give no quarter when we lose to the Champions in a semi final, or away at Fulham in Ange's 4th game in charge or vs Champions City in the 5th round. You use these outcomes to beat the manager/club but when we get the job done you are just as quick to talk down how easy it was on paper! You tipped teams to beat us almost every time, including United who, on paper, have had a better season than us.
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I find it hard not to talk down what Ange did and try and fathom reasons why it happened, since we have been so poor in the league.
Objectively speaking though, there is no denying we had a less difficult opponent to overcome in a final than previous finals. I didn't think we'd beat United owing to the Spursiness we go through in those sorts of games and United's recent tournament winning experience, but we always had a chance against a team who we beat 3 times already and who were having a poor season like ourselves. As it turned out, the opposite of Spursiness happened and we won with a lucky own goal and survived last ditch efforts to hold on to the lead through Vic's save and VDV's block.
As for the Portsmouth game, I still remember that and it unfortunately did have that Spursiness that had followed us around like a bad smell - a very slippery pitch that led to Dawson slipping at the wrong time for Portsmouth to score and also a legit goal ruled out. We were unlucky.
Fans now talk of Ange like he is some master of trophies because of the Europa win, yet it's funny how last season we went out of both cups at an early stage. It was our worst performance in the domestic cups for nearly 20 years.
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THis totally sums you up.
On the one hand you are assessing Ange's cup win "objectively" looking at who the opposition were and that on paper we should be winning it any way.
On the other hand you are highlighting last seasons "worst performance in cups for 20 years" yet you chose to ignore who we went out to then, how Fulham away was only his 4th game, how we narrowly went out on pens, or how prime Man City and 3 times ina row champions Man City knocked us out of the FA Cup. No quarter given here.
But seemingly quarter given to Redknapp because we were unlucky, Dawson slipped and we were prime Spursy.
Ange has done what many have failed to do before him. Spurs teams of the past have frozen in the big moments, bigger and better players than we have now have failed to turn up plenty of times, better managers have failed to get us over the line and when we have been the better team on paper. Winning a trophy (or lack of winning) had become such a massive thing that I expected us to once again be paralysed by the pressure. The fact we didnt, the fact that we did this with key players missing, the fact that it was largely a controlled and planned display with a clear tactic, executed brilliantly by the team with very little in the way of drama or Spursyness, makes this a massive achievement. I simply do not understand the buzz kill dullards who throw any shade on our first major trophy in 17 years and first European trophy on over 40 years
Anyone who thinks football is played on paper does not understand football, and any Spurs fan who thinks form or who is best on paper has any relevance to Spurs getting a result must have had their eyes shut for the last few decades. For Spurs to actually achieve what is expected of them is a massive achievement in itself.
I knew some on here, the Ange Out cheerleaders who've been banging their drum hard since we lost to AZ away would struggle if we actually won this trophy. You're making up narratives like fans are talking about Ange as if he is a master of trophies. No one is! He did very very well to navigate us through to that victory in a really well managed and effective way, some of our best, most controlled, most disciplined performances. But no one is under any illusion that that is exactly what has been lacking in the league and that the league form has been a huge disaster. And few will be surprised if that costs him his job. But i also think that there are many who will want to see whether we can take that level of performance into the league and blend the attacking threat of Ange-ball with the more solid Europe league performances. But no one is making out that he is 100% the answer, but some do feel that perhaps he has earned himself another chance to prove himself.
posted on 3/6/25
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I was Ange in out before and I'm Ange in out now. The cup if you want to analyse it, was as much a happy accident and an anomaly, as it was Ange using his tactical nous to win it. The situation was in place for us to do well.
Overall though the season was poorly managed, so why should a few games in a cup against weakish opposition, be a better gauge to judge Ange on than the 30+ games in which we were rubbish?
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I don't think you can put down the cup win as an anomaly. We shocked Frankfurt, Bodo and United with our more passive approach and that was down to Ange. If you apply the logic of that famous Chelsea game where we played 'our' way regardless of being down to 9 men, Ange has unquestionably moved the needle since then. With the injuries we had in the final, I'm convinced that we'd have lost that game had we opened up and Ange deserves a lot of credit for choosing to go against his principles in order to win.
We can't cherry pick successes and put them down luck. I don't think we need to. The league form has been so catastrophic that it has Ange bang to rights anyway. We don't need to spin anything.
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I mean if you were to say at the start we'd reach a semi and we just have to overcome Bodo Glimt and a Man United who had been at their worst for decades, who we'd also beaten 3 times already, you'd think we hit the jackpot. I haven't checked but has there ever been a European final involving 2 such low placed teams? 16th vs 17th? That's the anomaly.
Yes Ange's tactics worked well for the final though I'm not entirely sure now if that's because of the injuries or not, and like you say, did that actually work in our favour?
From Ange's perspective, which is how we should be looking at it, he was rather lucky to still be in a job by the final and have that opportunity to win it. A lot of managers haven't had the luxury of time.
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All we had to do in 2008 was beat a relegated Pompey to make it to an FA Cup final vs Cardiff City. We failed and that is one of many failures in the last few decades where Spurs on paper should be there or thereabouts.
There is no talking down this Europa achievement because of the "luck of the draw" etc because fans like you give no quarter when we lose to the Champions in a semi final, or away at Fulham in Ange's 4th game in charge or vs Champions City in the 5th round. You use these outcomes to beat the manager/club but when we get the job done you are just as quick to talk down how easy it was on paper! You tipped teams to beat us almost every time, including United who, on paper, have had a better season than us.
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I find it hard not to talk down what Ange did and try and fathom reasons why it happened, since we have been so poor in the league.
Objectively speaking though, there is no denying we had a less difficult opponent to overcome in a final than previous finals. I didn't think we'd beat United owing to the Spursiness we go through in those sorts of games and United's recent tournament winning experience, but we always had a chance against a team who we beat 3 times already and who were having a poor season like ourselves. As it turned out, the opposite of Spursiness happened and we won with a lucky own goal and survived last ditch efforts to hold on to the lead through Vic's save and VDV's block.
As for the Portsmouth game, I still remember that and it unfortunately did have that Spursiness that had followed us around like a bad smell - a very slippery pitch that led to Dawson slipping at the wrong time for Portsmouth to score and also a legit goal ruled out. We were unlucky.
Fans now talk of Ange like he is some master of trophies because of the Europa win, yet it's funny how last season we went out of both cups at an early stage. It was our worst performance in the domestic cups for nearly 20 years.
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THis totally sums you up.
On the one hand you are assessing Ange's cup win "objectively" looking at who the opposition were and that on paper we should be winning it any way.
On the other hand you are highlighting last seasons "worst performance in cups for 20 years" yet you chose to ignore who we went out to then, how Fulham away was only his 4th game, how we narrowly went out on pens, or how prime Man City and 3 times ina row champions Man City knocked us out of the FA Cup. No quarter given here.
But seemingly quarter given to Redknapp because we were unlucky, Dawson slipped and we were prime Spursy.
Ange has done what many have failed to do before him. Spurs teams of the past have frozen in the big moments, bigger and better players than we have now have failed to turn up plenty of times, better managers have failed to get us over the line and when we have been the better team on paper. Winning a trophy (or lack of winning) had become such a massive thing that I expected us to once again be paralysed by the pressure. The fact we didnt, the fact that we did this with key players missing, the fact that it was largely a controlled and planned display with a clear tactic, executed brilliantly by the team with very little in the way of drama or Spursyness, makes this a massive achievement. I simply do not understand the buzz kill dullards who throw any shade on our first major trophy in 17 years and first European trophy on over 40 years
Anyone who thinks football is played on paper does not understand football, and any Spurs fan who thinks form or who is best on paper has any relevance to Spurs getting a result must have had their eyes shut for the last few decades. For Spurs to actually achieve what is expected of them is a massive achievement in itself.
I knew some on here, the Ange Out cheerleaders who've been banging their drum hard since we lost to AZ away would struggle if we actually won this trophy. You're making up narratives like fans are talking about Ange as if he is a master of trophies. No one is! He did very very well to navigate us through to that victory in a really well managed and effective way, some of our best, most controlled, most disciplined performances. But no one is under any illusion that that is exactly what has been lacking in the league and that the league form has been a huge disaster. And few will be surprised if that costs him his job. But i also think that there are many who will want to see whether we can take that level of performance into the league and blend the attacking threat of Ange-ball with the more solid Europe league performances. But no one is making out that he is 100% the answer, but some do feel that perhaps he has earned himself another chance to prove himself.
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Nail on the head Devonshire
posted on 3/6/25
Just reading an interview with Porro
“I’m not going to lie, it did impact me to see [people say] they were going to sack him to be honest.
I’m very close to him. He’s been an important coach for me and it’s thanks to him that I have brought out my [best] football these two years.
It’s complicated because in football in general things don’t always depend on you but, honestly, in the team – I think, in my opinion – we’re happy with him.”
Pedro Porro on “lads, it’s Tottenham“ prior to the UEFA Europa League Final! 🤣
“It was used. The coach said: yes, we’re Tottenham. We have to believe we’re a big team.
“Now people have to respect Tottenham a bit more because they’re Europa League champions.
“The season had been really bad in the Premier League and winning a European title brought such happiness. The fans had suffered, we had suffered too. But it’s not how it starts, it’s how it ends.”
Pedro Porro on #thfc becoming a ‘’meme’:
“That’s just, like, people’s opinion. Of course that reaches you, but we don’t care… actually, in fact, I would say thanks to them because it can be extra motivation, petrol to fuel you.
“And we won. Let them talk and do all the memes they want now!”
Almost as if all the 'great work' Poch did in projecting Spurs as a banter club has been undone by Ange in one night.
posted on 3/6/25
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
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comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
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I was Ange in out before and I'm Ange in out now. The cup if you want to analyse it, was as much a happy accident and an anomaly, as it was Ange using his tactical nous to win it. The situation was in place for us to do well.
Overall though the season was poorly managed, so why should a few games in a cup against weakish opposition, be a better gauge to judge Ange on than the 30+ games in which we were rubbish?
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I don't think you can put down the cup win as an anomaly. We shocked Frankfurt, Bodo and United with our more passive approach and that was down to Ange. If you apply the logic of that famous Chelsea game where we played 'our' way regardless of being down to 9 men, Ange has unquestionably moved the needle since then. With the injuries we had in the final, I'm convinced that we'd have lost that game had we opened up and Ange deserves a lot of credit for choosing to go against his principles in order to win.
We can't cherry pick successes and put them down luck. I don't think we need to. The league form has been so catastrophic that it has Ange bang to rights anyway. We don't need to spin anything.
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I mean if you were to say at the start we'd reach a semi and we just have to overcome Bodo Glimt and a Man United who had been at their worst for decades, who we'd also beaten 3 times already, you'd think we hit the jackpot. I haven't checked but has there ever been a European final involving 2 such low placed teams? 16th vs 17th? That's the anomaly.
Yes Ange's tactics worked well for the final though I'm not entirely sure now if that's because of the injuries or not, and like you say, did that actually work in our favour?
From Ange's perspective, which is how we should be looking at it, he was rather lucky to still be in a job by the final and have that opportunity to win it. A lot of managers haven't had the luxury of time.
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All we had to do in 2008 was beat a relegated Pompey to make it to an FA Cup final vs Cardiff City. We failed and that is one of many failures in the last few decades where Spurs on paper should be there or thereabouts.
There is no talking down this Europa achievement because of the "luck of the draw" etc because fans like you give no quarter when we lose to the Champions in a semi final, or away at Fulham in Ange's 4th game in charge or vs Champions City in the 5th round. You use these outcomes to beat the manager/club but when we get the job done you are just as quick to talk down how easy it was on paper! You tipped teams to beat us almost every time, including United who, on paper, have had a better season than us.
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I find it hard not to talk down what Ange did and try and fathom reasons why it happened, since we have been so poor in the league.
Objectively speaking though, there is no denying we had a less difficult opponent to overcome in a final than previous finals. I didn't think we'd beat United owing to the Spursiness we go through in those sorts of games and United's recent tournament winning experience, but we always had a chance against a team who we beat 3 times already and who were having a poor season like ourselves. As it turned out, the opposite of Spursiness happened and we won with a lucky own goal and survived last ditch efforts to hold on to the lead through Vic's save and VDV's block.
As for the Portsmouth game, I still remember that and it unfortunately did have that Spursiness that had followed us around like a bad smell - a very slippery pitch that led to Dawson slipping at the wrong time for Portsmouth to score and also a legit goal ruled out. We were unlucky.
Fans now talk of Ange like he is some master of trophies because of the Europa win, yet it's funny how last season we went out of both cups at an early stage. It was our worst performance in the domestic cups for nearly 20 years.
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THis totally sums you up.
On the one hand you are assessing Ange's cup win "objectively" looking at who the opposition were and that on paper we should be winning it any way.
On the other hand you are highlighting last seasons "worst performance in cups for 20 years" yet you chose to ignore who we went out to then, how Fulham away was only his 4th game, how we narrowly went out on pens, or how prime Man City and 3 times ina row champions Man City knocked us out of the FA Cup. No quarter given here.
But seemingly quarter given to Redknapp because we were unlucky, Dawson slipped and we were prime Spursy.
Ange has done what many have failed to do before him. Spurs teams of the past have frozen in the big moments, bigger and better players than we have now have failed to turn up plenty of times, better managers have failed to get us over the line and when we have been the better team on paper. Winning a trophy (or lack of winning) had become such a massive thing that I expected us to once again be paralysed by the pressure. The fact we didnt, the fact that we did this with key players missing, the fact that it was largely a controlled and planned display with a clear tactic, executed brilliantly by the team with very little in the way of drama or Spursyness, makes this a massive achievement. I simply do not understand the buzz kill dullards who throw any shade on our first major trophy in 17 years and first European trophy on over 40 years
Anyone who thinks football is played on paper does not understand football, and any Spurs fan who thinks form or who is best on paper has any relevance to Spurs getting a result must have had their eyes shut for the last few decades. For Spurs to actually achieve what is expected of them is a massive achievement in itself.
I knew some on here, the Ange Out cheerleaders who've been banging their drum hard since we lost to AZ away would struggle if we actually won this trophy. You're making up narratives like fans are talking about Ange as if he is a master of trophies. No one is! He did very very well to navigate us through to that victory in a really well managed and effective way, some of our best, most controlled, most disciplined performances. But no one is under any illusion that that is exactly what has been lacking in the league and that the league form has been a huge disaster. And few will be surprised if that costs him his job. But i also think that there are many who will want to see whether we can take that level of performance into the league and blend the attacking threat of Ange-ball with the more solid Europe league performances. But no one is making out that he is 100% the answer, but some do feel that perhaps he has earned himself another chance to prove himself.
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I only brought up the cup performances in his first season to show how no manager is really a guarantee of success at Spurs. They all have their ups and downs but some treat Ange as almost a surefire way that we'll pick up a trophy next season cause he's seen as a proven winner now (maybe not so much on JA as elsewhere on the internet). Yet he's the same proven winner who got us nowhere in first season's domestic cups. Considering there was no European games and given his reputation, perhaps he should have got further?
It isn't just the quality of the opposition in the Europa that needs to be brought up anyway. It's the combination of having not the best opposition but also the overlooked reason that the Europa competition could be 100% focused on because our league commitments went out of the window months before. How often has that been a case for a manager? Possibly since Ramos our last trophy winner.
Look, I think Ange did well to win. At the same I think things ran for him in a way it hasn't for other previous managers. The cups do have more luck about them and sometimes you are presented better opportunities at winning them than in other seasons.