David Haye was a boxer I couldnt stand the sightest of a couple of years ago but I've grown to like him a bit because he is a good fighter and is great compared to most heavey weight fighters.
Now, obviously I understand fighters talk the fight up to gain publicity and interest in a fight but I think Haye is biting off more than he can chew, this time. He has beaten everyone in front of them but did any of them come foward and trouble him? Definelty not. Ruiz, Valuev and Harrison were a disgrace.
His comments like: "Im gonna rip his off", "This is going to be the most brutal execution of a boxer that you've seen for many, many years.
"I'm going to go out there and absolutely destroy him, really quickly."
Haye is going to far here, all fighters trash talk and when they dont deliver they look like idiots, hes lacking a bit class with these comments and Klitschko is actually to well spoken and a nice guy!!!!
Haye is promising us a masterclass here, will he deliver? I dont thinkso. My prediction for this fight is he will struggle behind Klitschkos jab but Booth will set up an "hit and run" tactic to nick it on points.
Haye Good enough to back his talk up?
posted on 1/7/11
micheal schumacher has no class it could be argued,but he is seven?! time world champ.
arrogance and ego is nearly alway'swhat makes a sportsman gr8.
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I can't ever remember Schumacher telling other drivers he wanted to put them in hospital though?
Can you see the difference now?
There is trash talk, and then there is being an arsewipe. Haye crossed the line.
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That's because Boxing is about physically inflicting damage onto your opponent in order to knock them out as fast as possible. The difference with Schumacher was a driver who main goal was to avoid other cars in order to win races.
That should be pretty obvious.
posted on 1/7/11
What’s the difference between a surprise and a controversy in terms of decisions?
There was very little in each round… there was very little thrown in the entire fight! The image of him hitting Valuev in the 12th and making his legs wobble is perhaps more enduring to the memory than the rest of the bout, but over the course of the 12 rounds Haye actually did very little and I don’t believe deserved to win the title.
Jim Watt thought he had lost – as did most of the other media… (Ian Darke is of course a part of the Sky commentary team and I stand corrected on his scoring of the fight. Though I think it should be remembered Darke isn’t actually the boxing expert, he is there to present it to the viewers – and for a British boxer in a title fight this usually means putting the best shine on it that he can.)
I’m not sure Germany has had that many dodgy decisions in comparison with other countries… there’ve been plenty in America and Britain over the years with home town fighters winning!
Also – you don’t have to knock an opponent out to win a boxing match Greyskull.
posted on 1/7/11
I'd agree there have been many controversial decisions in America and Britain have had their fair share but Germany has been as bad as anywhere.
Generally, I guess the judges do tend to favour the "home" fighter though which is why I think Haye gets a raw deal against Valuev.
You have to weigh up the fight and judge on the situation Haye was in. He wasn't German so he probably wasn't gonna get a fair decision, if he took punches, ANY punches, it would give the judges an excuse to give Valuev rounds. If he made Valuev miss they couldn't give him the rounds. Smart strategy.
For me, he sneaked it cos he landed the more punches and more clean punches.
I'd say a surprise is when the underdog wins and controversy when the person who clearly wins doesn't get the decision.
posted on 1/7/11
As bad as anywhere… which could equally mean as good as anywhere.
I don’t think it’s a German thing, I think it’s just a crowd thing.
Your interpretation of something is swayed by the crowd. It’s like in football when a player slides in, often the away team will be punished and the home side get away with it. The interpretation of what you see is guided by the fact 50,000 people gasp or shout… How many times have you watched a goal live and thought it was the best one ever scored, then later on see a replay and realise it was that good… it was deflected, or wasn’t actually in the top corner as you initially thought. It’s the same with boxing… one boxer may land more shots in a round, more power shots even – but that is over-ridden by the fact when the popular fighter punches the crowd roars and it causes a reaction!
One of the reasons British fighters always want home advantage isn’t because they don’t want a fair fight, it’s because they know the crowd has an effect and they want it to sway in their favour!
I think Haye fought the fight he had to don’t get me wrong… not because of a fear of refereeing decisions though (he got the decision after all!) but simply because it was the right way to beat the giant. However I think he could have stepped in and been a bit more and taken some of the rounds a lot more clearly. Don’t get me wrong – he obviously did enough because he walked away with the belt, but I don’t think it would have been a controversy had he lost, or even a surprise. Had the decision gone against him, which I think even the biggest Haye fans would accept it easily could have there wouldn’t have been the kind of outrage at the judges there was with the Lewis Holyfield bout, there would have just been a sense of frustration that Haye didn’t take the fight to Valuev and make sure of it.
You had Haye sneaking it, by one point? So would you say it wouldn’t have been a controversy had he lost – because he wasn’t a clear winner.
posted on 1/7/11
Granted, it wouldn't have been controversial had he lost but didn't think it was a controversial victory either.
Had him winning by 2 rounds, he said himself he didn't let his hands go as much as he'd like cos he thought he'd broken his hand in the 3rd round.
Come the final round when he had the giant hurt, he could swing a bit more cos it was the last round and he didn't have to go any more rounds.
I agree with what you're saying about the crowds in Britain and even the US. I think that's almost understandable, to be slightly swayed by the crowds but the crowds seem very timid in germany, just seems the judges back the home guy over there.
posted on 1/7/11
Statistically Haye landed more punches than Valuev so although the fight was close, I thought he just sneaked it.
Britain has as many dodgy decisions as Germany these days, but I feel that if he is to win on points Haye must win clearly. I think his best chance is to knock Vlad out though. The longer the fight goes the less chance I give him.
posted on 2/7/11
i don't give haye much of a shot if the fight goes long,especcially if as the haye camp fear,the ref will allow vlad too make use of that 2st advantage by leaning on haye in the clinches.
if vlad get's that jab working smooth from the off,it could be a long night for our man.
posted on 2/7/11
Yeah I agree, I think Haye's probably only really got a chance for maybe 4 rounds, beyond that WK's gonna start landing the jab and beating Haye up cos Haye will undoubtedly slow down.
His best chance is to try and bang him out early but even that brings the risk of walking onto something.
Haye has to go for it and hope Wlad does what he has in the past, freeze when the punches are coming his way.
posted on 2/7/11
agreed,could well be explosive,as neither appear too have the greatest chin.
posted on 2/7/11
I don't know why but i yesterday morning I got it in my head that one of either Andy Murray or Haye would win their big event and the other would lose. I know one is Tennis and one is Boxing before someone points it out, but I could not shake that feeling! Which is strange because I think the only realistic hope Haye has is a strong Ref!