LMAO at the the Williams boys at the back! so many mean jokes available there! But im a nice guy
I'm deciding to not post a team on the grounds that it'll be rediculously biased in Wales' favour.
i think shane williams and johnny wilkinson are massively overrated to be honest.
id have jonathon davies at fly half and robinson on the wing.
The latter deft in attack, powerful in defence, great with the boot too an dwith the belief to make his side unbeatable
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really ? i remember guscott as being a beautiful runner with great hands, but i dont remember his kicking (apart from the drop goal against SA), and certainly not his tackling ?
i think shaun fitzpatrick might have something to say regarding your comments on wood (although of course he couldnt play for the lions).
i'd want an out and out open side as well, so would stick either Back or martyn williams in there.
is tom smith really the best prop in the last 50 years ? and (although they were before my time) would gordon brown compete against mcbride for a place alongside johnson ?
Good article though
1. Gethin Jenkins
2. Keith Wood
3. Adam Jones
4. Martin Johnson
5. Paul O'Connell
6. Ryan Jones
7. Martyn Williams
8. Lawrence Dallaligo
9. Dwayne Peel
10. Johnny Wilkinson
11. Shane Williams
12. Jamie Roberts
13. Brian O'Driscoll
14. Tommy Bowe
15. Jason Robinson
As you can probably tell, I am young and Welsh... But all those players at their peak were sensational and were consistently brilliant for years and I think they deserve it.
Captain H
Even with youth as an excuse won't they take you outside and shoot you for not having JJ and / or JPR in there? I would have thought that was worse blasphemy than John Redmond's "singing" the Welsh anthem
JPB
On Guscott, the drop goal is the best example of his kicking but, for a centre, his kicking from hand always seemed very impressive and opened up an angle of attack that very few sides have
I'd tend to consider Fitzpatrick as being before the professional era as he retired in 1997, also which Robinson do you mean for the wing slot?
The choice of McBride, Johnson or Brown is a good one, I'd tend to lean towards the first two just by the authority they had for example
Lions have won the 74 series in South Africa, younger players (I think Brown and Fran Cotton were involved) went a bit wild in the hotel, set of the fire extinguishers and then had a massive fire in the ballroom. Owner threatens to get the police, Cotton dashes up to McBride's room to explain, McBride approaches manager and cool as ice enquires "You're going to get the police? Will there be many of them?"
On Martin Johnson, England away in Australia, scrum reduced to 6 men sets down to face the Aussie pack, Martin Bayfield asks "What are we going to do?" Johnson replies "Just ****ing push", England scrum drives Australia back, game won psychologically
Thats why I'd go for the first two, on the prop, yeah, unlike the other ones their didn't seem to be an absolute stand out there, though thats a bit hard on Tom Smith
McBride approaches manager and cool as ice enquires "You're going to get the police? Will there be many of them?"
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i hadnt heard that one.
on the wing, i meant jason robinson. ive never seen anyone who can change direction so quickly or accelerate over the first 5 yards like him. also read the game very well.
SARS : I wanted to stick to just players I have seen play, and unfortunately i was never lucky enough to see them play!
Try convincing the Scrum V jury of that, you chose an Englishman over JPR - you're a brave man!
truoble is hook, only one of the players in your team have won a test series for the lions.
in fact at a guess i'd say their average lions test result would be about 1 and 5.
It is littered with serial grand slam winners, with a sprinkling of World Cup winners, Heiniken Cup winners, world player of the years, Lions player of series etc
and players who have lost every lions series they've played in.
but together any team would struggle to beat them. and this is a 'fantasy lions team' is it not
it is. but you cant just put yourself in and say, 'ah, but in this fantasy im going to be awesome'. these guys all lost on lions tours. there's plenty of players out there who are used to winning on them.
God knows how one is supposed to compare players spanning nearly 40 years of watching rugby.
How, for example, would Willie John do nowadays? Well, at just over 6'3" he'd have to play at 6 and even then he'd be crucified.
I guess it'll have to be based on what they were in their own time.
My selection will, of course have an Irish bias as that's what I know most about and as the memories get fuzzy I'll choose a lot of my favourite players, even though many will argue they were not the best.
So, here goes.
JPR
JJ
BOD
Mike Gibson
Wee Shane
Tony Ward
Gareth Edwards
Graham Price
Fergus Slattery
Richard Hill
Willie John
Moss Keane
Adam Jones
Fester
Tom Smith
http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/rugby/rugby-union/international/willie-john-mcbride-the-players-have-medics-these-days-we-had-elastoplast-1697172.html
Smashing interview with Willie John
Tony Ward
Moss Keane
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who ?
I think so Taras.
Was Mr Keane really better than Martin Johnson ???????
Nice article btw .
1- Os Du Randt
2- Fizz
3- Phil Vickery
4- Martin Johnson
5- John Eales
6- Michael Jones
7- LBN Dallaglio
8- Zinzan Brooke
9- George Gregan
10- Michael Lynagh
11- Gerald Davies
12- Philippe Sella
13- BOD
14- David Campese
15- JPR / Blanco
I'm not sure I'm entirely happy with that, but I have only spent the last week deliberating. May well change once I remember someone else, or my opinion changes.
looks like a pretty handy team mondieu.
Was Moss Keane better than Martin Johnson?
Probably not but, one of my favourite players and tough as old hobnails.
I remember one game against France which was not for the squeamish. Pierre Dospital, a real thug of a prop in the best French tradition, had been up to no good throughout. A large messy ruck developed, Moss dived onto the top of it and came out clutching Dospital's ear which was still attatched to his head, but only just.
Interesting idea MonDieu but not sure many of them qualify to represent The Lions...
i think he's put it on the wrong thread.
there's another one which is supposed to be best of the last 10 years, but which has also got a couple of all time teams on.
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posted on 3/4/12
LMAO at the the Williams boys at the back! so many mean jokes available there! But im a nice guy
posted on 3/4/12
I'm deciding to not post a team on the grounds that it'll be rediculously biased in Wales' favour.
posted on 3/4/12
i think shane williams and johnny wilkinson are massively overrated to be honest.
id have jonathon davies at fly half and robinson on the wing.
posted on 3/4/12
The latter deft in attack, powerful in defence, great with the boot too an dwith the belief to make his side unbeatable
===================
really ? i remember guscott as being a beautiful runner with great hands, but i dont remember his kicking (apart from the drop goal against SA), and certainly not his tackling ?
i think shaun fitzpatrick might have something to say regarding your comments on wood (although of course he couldnt play for the lions).
i'd want an out and out open side as well, so would stick either Back or martyn williams in there.
is tom smith really the best prop in the last 50 years ? and (although they were before my time) would gordon brown compete against mcbride for a place alongside johnson ?
Good article though
posted on 4/4/12
1. Gethin Jenkins
2. Keith Wood
3. Adam Jones
4. Martin Johnson
5. Paul O'Connell
6. Ryan Jones
7. Martyn Williams
8. Lawrence Dallaligo
9. Dwayne Peel
10. Johnny Wilkinson
11. Shane Williams
12. Jamie Roberts
13. Brian O'Driscoll
14. Tommy Bowe
15. Jason Robinson
As you can probably tell, I am young and Welsh... But all those players at their peak were sensational and were consistently brilliant for years and I think they deserve it.
posted on 4/4/12
Captain H
Even with youth as an excuse won't they take you outside and shoot you for not having JJ and / or JPR in there? I would have thought that was worse blasphemy than John Redmond's "singing" the Welsh anthem
JPB
On Guscott, the drop goal is the best example of his kicking but, for a centre, his kicking from hand always seemed very impressive and opened up an angle of attack that very few sides have
I'd tend to consider Fitzpatrick as being before the professional era as he retired in 1997, also which Robinson do you mean for the wing slot?
The choice of McBride, Johnson or Brown is a good one, I'd tend to lean towards the first two just by the authority they had for example
Lions have won the 74 series in South Africa, younger players (I think Brown and Fran Cotton were involved) went a bit wild in the hotel, set of the fire extinguishers and then had a massive fire in the ballroom. Owner threatens to get the police, Cotton dashes up to McBride's room to explain, McBride approaches manager and cool as ice enquires "You're going to get the police? Will there be many of them?"
On Martin Johnson, England away in Australia, scrum reduced to 6 men sets down to face the Aussie pack, Martin Bayfield asks "What are we going to do?" Johnson replies "Just ****ing push", England scrum drives Australia back, game won psychologically
Thats why I'd go for the first two, on the prop, yeah, unlike the other ones their didn't seem to be an absolute stand out there, though thats a bit hard on Tom Smith
posted on 4/4/12
McBride approaches manager and cool as ice enquires "You're going to get the police? Will there be many of them?"
=================
i hadnt heard that one.
on the wing, i meant jason robinson. ive never seen anyone who can change direction so quickly or accelerate over the first 5 yards like him. also read the game very well.
posted on 4/4/12
SARS : I wanted to stick to just players I have seen play, and unfortunately i was never lucky enough to see them play!
posted on 4/4/12
Try convincing the Scrum V jury of that, you chose an Englishman over JPR - you're a brave man!
posted on 4/4/12
truoble is hook, only one of the players in your team have won a test series for the lions.
in fact at a guess i'd say their average lions test result would be about 1 and 5.
posted on 4/4/12
It is littered with serial grand slam winners, with a sprinkling of World Cup winners, Heiniken Cup winners, world player of the years, Lions player of series etc
posted on 4/4/12
and players who have lost every lions series they've played in.
posted on 4/4/12
but together any team would struggle to beat them. and this is a 'fantasy lions team' is it not
posted on 4/4/12
it is. but you cant just put yourself in and say, 'ah, but in this fantasy im going to be awesome'. these guys all lost on lions tours. there's plenty of players out there who are used to winning on them.
posted on 6/4/12
God knows how one is supposed to compare players spanning nearly 40 years of watching rugby.
How, for example, would Willie John do nowadays? Well, at just over 6'3" he'd have to play at 6 and even then he'd be crucified.
I guess it'll have to be based on what they were in their own time.
My selection will, of course have an Irish bias as that's what I know most about and as the memories get fuzzy I'll choose a lot of my favourite players, even though many will argue they were not the best.
So, here goes.
JPR
JJ
BOD
Mike Gibson
Wee Shane
Tony Ward
Gareth Edwards
Graham Price
Fergus Slattery
Richard Hill
Willie John
Moss Keane
Adam Jones
Fester
Tom Smith
posted on 6/4/12
http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/rugby/rugby-union/international/willie-john-mcbride-the-players-have-medics-these-days-we-had-elastoplast-1697172.html
Smashing interview with Willie John
posted on 6/4/12
Tony Ward
Moss Keane
===============
who ?
posted on 6/4/12
Before your time JPB?
posted on 6/4/12
I think so Taras.
Was Mr Keane really better than Martin Johnson ???????
Nice article btw .
posted on 6/4/12
1- Os Du Randt
2- Fizz
3- Phil Vickery
4- Martin Johnson
5- John Eales
6- Michael Jones
7- LBN Dallaglio
8- Zinzan Brooke
9- George Gregan
10- Michael Lynagh
11- Gerald Davies
12- Philippe Sella
13- BOD
14- David Campese
15- JPR / Blanco
posted on 6/4/12
I'm not sure I'm entirely happy with that, but I have only spent the last week deliberating. May well change once I remember someone else, or my opinion changes.
posted on 6/4/12
looks like a pretty handy team mondieu.
posted on 6/4/12
Was Moss Keane better than Martin Johnson?
Probably not but, one of my favourite players and tough as old hobnails.
I remember one game against France which was not for the squeamish. Pierre Dospital, a real thug of a prop in the best French tradition, had been up to no good throughout. A large messy ruck developed, Moss dived onto the top of it and came out clutching Dospital's ear which was still attatched to his head, but only just.
posted on 6/4/12
Interesting idea MonDieu but not sure many of them qualify to represent The Lions...
posted on 6/4/12
i think he's put it on the wrong thread.
there's another one which is supposed to be best of the last 10 years, but which has also got a couple of all time teams on.
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