I'm curious to know how does this substance enhance a performance in a tennis player: do they last longer, have more power or stg else?
Is that the same stuff Odesnik was caught smuggling to Australia

Wait what do you mean scapegoat?
Do you think the ATP have rigged the blood tests?
If he's guilty he should be punished

No, but it's easy to find an anonymous player and fine him, appearing to be doing the job.

Well he would have to be taking steroids first...

I know next to nothing about doping, but I see it's a man's thing, must be the teenage muscle pumping in front of the mirror, my brother was hilarious

Poor guy. He gets caught cause he is not a professional doper.

I am sure he looks like shrimp compared to other "clean" athletes.

Only players who don't know the art of doping get caught. Not only that they don't even know how to use doping to win. Its strange these days that all the dopers that are caught are always the some absolute unknown players barely surviving with the prize money earned.

I just googled that substance and amazed that any athlete would endagner his/her health by using it:

"Many professional and amateur sports bodies, such as the World Anti Doping Agency, have banned methylhexanamine as a performance enhancing substance and suspended athletes that have used it.

In February 2012, the deaths of two US soldiers who collapsed during physical training in preceding months prompted a military investigation of the popular bodybuilding supplement that was found in their systems.This prompted the Department of Defense to pull products containing methylhexaneamine from on-base store shelves pending an investigation. A Pentagon spokesman, however, stressed, “These products are legal substances and, as yet, no link between DMAA and the medical conditions reported by military medical providers has been validated scientifically by us. DoD has asked that the products be pulled from the shelves as a precautionary measure.”DoD findings on the matter were expected in late March 2012. The Surgeon General of the US Army said, “I want to emphasize that no link between DMAA and the medical conditions reported by military medical providers has been validated scientifically by us. While the DOD leadership and the USAPHC take these reports very seriously, all of these medical conditions have multiple causes. It is too soon to tell if there is a relationship with DMAA.”

so basically this substance is for body building,i.e. piling on muscle.

I'm not going to be lazy with this doping any more, so had a look at Odesnik case and found that his ban was reduced because he "assisted" the officials.
I suppose we'll never know how he assisted them. I really can't stand the lack of transparency in this area.
"American tennis player Wayne Odesnik has had the remaining 12 months of his two-year doping ban suspended because of assistance he provided officials, the International Tennis Federation (ITF) said on Wednesday.

Odesnik will be eligible for competition from December 29, the world governing body said on its website (www.itftennis.com).

The 25-year-old American, with a career-high ranking of 77, was suspended for two years by the ITF in May after admitting to importing the banned substance human growth hormone (HGH) into Australia before the year's first grand slam in Melbourne.

The ITF statement did not specify what he had done but took into account "substantial assistance provided by Mr Odesnik in relation to the enforcement of professional rules of conduct."

Reuters were unable to contact the ITF for further explanation."

So the HGH does the same as the substance the Bulgarian player was banned for - muscle building:

"What can human growth hormone do for otherwise healthy adults?

Studies of healthy adults taking human growth hormone are limited. Although it appears that human growth hormone injections can increase muscle mass and reduce the amount of body fat in healthy older adults, the increase in muscle doesn't translate into increased strength. It isn't clear if human growth hormone may provide other benefits to healthy adults."


Sorry if you all know this, I didn't so it may help some who also don't

An occasional poster veejay appeared to an expert on doping and its effects. He looked impressive in his points. Not sure if he is still posting on v2
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No idea. Hope he finds us, too

Yes, would be great to have Veejay too.

But bottom line some players woudl benefit from taking HGH and EPO type of drugs. Having more muscle allows you to hit the ball harder and the new string technology allows the ball to still be a safe shot (spin and power).

That's what we call "muscling the ball", like Roddick, Nadal and Murray do, and to a lesser extend Djokovic. Having more muscles allows also a much better mouvement, expecially for the big boys but also can work marvel for guys as short as Tsiparevic.

Then to feed those big muscles with 02 one needs EPO kind of drugs and take time between points to allow EPO to be most efficient. the combination of HGH and EPO makes a player extrememly consistant: Hard shots played securely and mouvement going on for ever.

I'm not going to be lazy with this doping any more, so had a look at Odesnik case and found that his ban was reduced because he "assisted" the officials.
I suppose we'll never know how he assisted them. I really can't stand the lack of transparency in this area.
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Well he assisted the ATP/ITF by shutting up and not giving away bigger names.

As simple as that.

"Well he assisted the ATP/ITF by shutting up and not giving away bigger names.

As simple as that. "

My kind of thinking

Does this mean that Nadal uses these as his left arm looks so much bigger?
Him aside, there are a lot of beefy looking players esp in the legs department at the moment, I can't help comparing them to the late 80s when players dared wear short shorts, I think they'd look like utter freaks now.

Freaks being current players wearing 80s shorts.

Does this mean that Nadal uses these as his left arm looks so much bigger?
Him aside, there are a lot of beefy looking players esp in the legs department at the moment, I can't help comparing them to the late 80s when players dared wear short shorts, I think they'd look like utter freaks now.
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Doping is probably a necessite for all players wanting to reach and remain at the top. But we don;t want to put names forward.

when do you think it all started?

in the 20s or 30s probably.

I mean in tennis?

Yes. It has always there or thereabout. But professional tennis certainly made it much worse..and I would say since 2000 it has taken a new dimension.

It's depressing. Tennis really never needed it.

To me it's ugliest when I see it in women.