Robin Gibb
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robin givens
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Robin Givens?
What the hell do the BeeGees have to do with this?
He is actually quite underrated, his head speed and lateral movement for a heavyweight was ridiculous, his aggression was unrivaled, his accuracy frightening,his heart was like a pit bull and he did most of his damage when he was still a boy!!!
The ring may never see another phenomenon like "the BOY who dominated the HEAVYWEIGHT diviion"
possibly the greatest sportsman ive ever seen, at this peak.
A prime Ali would have been too quick and clever with him. He would have used his aggression against him, and would have eventually outfoxed him. Even if Tyson did land a flush shot on Ali's chin, I believe Ali would've taken it. When you see some of the shots he took from both Frazier and Foreman without going down (with the exception of the first Frazier fight) he would've coped with Tyson's power.
Tyson never fought a truly great heavyweight so we'll never know how he would've coped against one.
Also Foreman would've been too much for Tyson as well. He had the power to match, if not out-power Mike, and could use his size and reach to keep him at bay if needed. Not to mention he wasn't the easiest to put down.
Tyson the greatest heavyweight? Not for me.
who had the highest percentage of 1st round knock outs out of tyson foreman and frazier then ?
The era Tyson fought in was weak.
He was a wrecking ball of destruction, but after D'Amato passed away he went off the rails. I believe because he had no elite fighters to face at his finest, he probably falls short as being the best ever Heavyweight. He lost against his two big tests - Holy field and Lewis.
He'd lost his savage aggresion by the time of those fights.
But he never fought a truly world class fighter in his prime.
Ali, Foreman and other heavyweights did, and won.
We'll never know how good Tyson was because he suffers from the same problem the Klitschko's do.. They never fought an all time great. My mistake.. Tyson and Vitali both fought Lennox Lewis and lost. Lewis had nothing on Ali or Foreman, but granted Tyson was past it by the time he fought him.
But.. Ali was past it when he beat Foreman, and a 45 year old Foreman beat a three time heavyweight champion of the world. So what claim to fame has Tyson got.
He's no the best and has no real claim to be. If anything he's a victim of his era, but if his era had the behemoths of the 70's we could easily be saying Mike who?
i think the point is being missed with tyson.
those other guys kept their value really well.
mike dropped off a cliff.
the standard he was at early in his career though was sensational in the true meaning of the word.
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Ok then so where would you put the Klits? I am having a youtube argument with a fanboy who is adamant their style would beat anybody in any era.
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at a different weight, hoe does everyone rate joe calzaghe.
am i right in saying he has more title defences than any of boxer at any weight in the history of the sport ? for me that makes him one of the greatest british sportsmen ever.
Calzaghe was one of the most skilled fighter of all time. However he is a paper champion who sits proudly on a wooden resume! His defences include 2, yes 2 elite fights, even then both these fights are against an 43 yr old veteran and an untested fighter in Kessler. Where are the fights against :
Prime Roy jones
Prime Bernard Hopkins ( the executioner years)
James toney
Felix Trinidad
Kelly pavlik
Winky wright
Jermaine Taylor
Arthur Abraham
Even the likes of Glen johnson would have sufficed!! But nope, Calzaghe decided to pad his record with the likes of Peter Manfredo, Samuel BIka and Jeff Lacy, yes I said Jeff Lacy, every serious boxing follower knew that Lacy was a fraud who was handed a vacant belt and who struggled against two journeymen, I refer u to Omar sheika. Whilst the Americans were fighting the elite fighters of their time Joe stayed in Wales and fought obscure Eastern Europeans. Then when the money was dangled in front of him, he finally went stateside 10 years to bleeding late!!!!! Instead of fighting the up and coming champion in Pavlik, or the jermaine Taylor's of this world he fought a ruined roy jones and a 43 yr old Hopkins. Both fighters knocked him down in the first round, but due to their age and and lack of youthful stamina needed to finish Joe, they backed off and let him back into the fight. 10 years ago both fights would not have made it past round 5! Pavlik was the biggest fight that could of happened but what did Enzo do?? The guy kicked off at even th slightest indication of the 2 matching up!
Good riddance to both of them.
Mike,
I tend to agree, however his wins against Kessler and Hopkins were against two top class fighters. Hopkins may have been in his 40's but his victories following his fight against JC shows that at that point he still had a lot to offer. Kessler was unbeaten at the time and remains a top notch SMW.
However, his record is padded and I have absolutely no doubt that RJJ would have destroyed him at his best. I like Calzaghe though and believe that despite his refusal to fight the best at their best, he is still rightly regarded as one of Britain's best. I certainly think he would have beaten Froch if they had met, even though Froch deserves great respect for facing the best fighters of his generation.
Interesting. Cheers for the reply
Do you think that was his father fault ?
Do you think his father was scared the lad would get hurt, or just focused on the financial side ?
Well Enzo used to get quite aggressive about a possible fight with Pavlik. As a match up i think it would have been closer than most think.
Like i said he is a elite fighter, however his opponent list leaves so much to be desired.
Maybe i was harsh on Kessler, but i remain convinced that the Hopkins fight was not only a win for Bernard (i know some disagree) but the fact that Joe refused a rematch, on top of the statement he made saying it was his hardest fight paints a very cowardly picture.
mike,
hopkins efforts after the calzaghe fight indicate to me that he was in his prime when he fought calzaghe.
a fight with jones jr 7 or 8 years earlier would have been great but lets not forget that hopkins and jones both stayed at home for years on fat HBO contracts fighting bum of the month defences.
still nobody has satisfactorily explained to me how calzaghe deserves criticism for that whilst the americans don't despite doing exactly the same thing.
Whilst they were not perfect, the p4p fighters of the time were fighting each other. With regards to Hopkins, yes he was still in him prime, however at 43 years old your body biology is not the same as when u were 33! Calzaghe fought bums for 99% of the time.
Roy was the 1st person in a century to go from champ at middleweight 164lbs all the way through to being champ at light heavy! He was also p4p for a near on a decade. Hopkins was the guy to end winky wright's 7 year undefeated streak. Joe had a couple years left in him, he'll he could even had redeemed himself by entering the super six. Alas he ran off and decided to sit on his wooden record. Hatton although nowhere near as gifted, has a better resume.
winky wright,
theres another one who put together a lot of defences against mostly average at best opposition.
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posted on 13/6/12
Robin Gibb
Thanks for that, cheered me up no end.
Brings a new deeper meaning to lyrics of Staying Alive
posted on 13/6/12
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posted on 13/6/12
comment by vik (U12889)
posted 4 hours, 12 minutes ago
robin givens
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Robin Givens?
What the hell do the BeeGees have to do with this?
posted on 15/6/12
He is actually quite underrated, his head speed and lateral movement for a heavyweight was ridiculous, his aggression was unrivaled, his accuracy frightening,his heart was like a pit bull and he did most of his damage when he was still a boy!!!
The ring may never see another phenomenon like "the BOY who dominated the HEAVYWEIGHT diviion"
posted on 15/6/12
possibly the greatest sportsman ive ever seen, at this peak.
posted on 15/6/12
A prime Ali would have been too quick and clever with him. He would have used his aggression against him, and would have eventually outfoxed him. Even if Tyson did land a flush shot on Ali's chin, I believe Ali would've taken it. When you see some of the shots he took from both Frazier and Foreman without going down (with the exception of the first Frazier fight) he would've coped with Tyson's power.
Tyson never fought a truly great heavyweight so we'll never know how he would've coped against one.
Also Foreman would've been too much for Tyson as well. He had the power to match, if not out-power Mike, and could use his size and reach to keep him at bay if needed. Not to mention he wasn't the easiest to put down.
Tyson the greatest heavyweight? Not for me.
posted on 15/6/12
who had the highest percentage of 1st round knock outs out of tyson foreman and frazier then ?
posted on 15/6/12
The era Tyson fought in was weak.
He was a wrecking ball of destruction, but after D'Amato passed away he went off the rails. I believe because he had no elite fighters to face at his finest, he probably falls short as being the best ever Heavyweight. He lost against his two big tests - Holy field and Lewis.
posted on 15/6/12
He'd lost his savage aggresion by the time of those fights.
posted on 16/6/12
But he never fought a truly world class fighter in his prime.
Ali, Foreman and other heavyweights did, and won.
We'll never know how good Tyson was because he suffers from the same problem the Klitschko's do.. They never fought an all time great. My mistake.. Tyson and Vitali both fought Lennox Lewis and lost. Lewis had nothing on Ali or Foreman, but granted Tyson was past it by the time he fought him.
But.. Ali was past it when he beat Foreman, and a 45 year old Foreman beat a three time heavyweight champion of the world. So what claim to fame has Tyson got.
He's no the best and has no real claim to be. If anything he's a victim of his era, but if his era had the behemoths of the 70's we could easily be saying Mike who?
posted on 16/6/12
i think the point is being missed with tyson.
those other guys kept their value really well.
mike dropped off a cliff.
the standard he was at early in his career though was sensational in the true meaning of the word.
posted on 16/6/12
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posted on 16/6/12
Ok then so where would you put the Klits? I am having a youtube argument with a fanboy who is adamant their style would beat anybody in any era.
posted on 16/6/12
Frazier is the greatest.
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Saint stop following me
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alright Saint
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posted on 16/6/12
at a different weight, hoe does everyone rate joe calzaghe.
am i right in saying he has more title defences than any of boxer at any weight in the history of the sport ? for me that makes him one of the greatest british sportsmen ever.
posted on 17/6/12
Calzaghe was one of the most skilled fighter of all time. However he is a paper champion who sits proudly on a wooden resume! His defences include 2, yes 2 elite fights, even then both these fights are against an 43 yr old veteran and an untested fighter in Kessler. Where are the fights against :
Prime Roy jones
Prime Bernard Hopkins ( the executioner years)
James toney
Felix Trinidad
Kelly pavlik
Winky wright
Jermaine Taylor
Arthur Abraham
Even the likes of Glen johnson would have sufficed!! But nope, Calzaghe decided to pad his record with the likes of Peter Manfredo, Samuel BIka and Jeff Lacy, yes I said Jeff Lacy, every serious boxing follower knew that Lacy was a fraud who was handed a vacant belt and who struggled against two journeymen, I refer u to Omar sheika. Whilst the Americans were fighting the elite fighters of their time Joe stayed in Wales and fought obscure Eastern Europeans. Then when the money was dangled in front of him, he finally went stateside 10 years to bleeding late!!!!! Instead of fighting the up and coming champion in Pavlik, or the jermaine Taylor's of this world he fought a ruined roy jones and a 43 yr old Hopkins. Both fighters knocked him down in the first round, but due to their age and and lack of youthful stamina needed to finish Joe, they backed off and let him back into the fight. 10 years ago both fights would not have made it past round 5! Pavlik was the biggest fight that could of happened but what did Enzo do?? The guy kicked off at even th slightest indication of the 2 matching up!
Good riddance to both of them.
posted on 17/6/12
Mike,
I tend to agree, however his wins against Kessler and Hopkins were against two top class fighters. Hopkins may have been in his 40's but his victories following his fight against JC shows that at that point he still had a lot to offer. Kessler was unbeaten at the time and remains a top notch SMW.
However, his record is padded and I have absolutely no doubt that RJJ would have destroyed him at his best. I like Calzaghe though and believe that despite his refusal to fight the best at their best, he is still rightly regarded as one of Britain's best. I certainly think he would have beaten Froch if they had met, even though Froch deserves great respect for facing the best fighters of his generation.
posted on 17/6/12
Interesting. Cheers for the reply
Do you think that was his father fault ?
Do you think his father was scared the lad would get hurt, or just focused on the financial side ?
posted on 17/6/12
Well Enzo used to get quite aggressive about a possible fight with Pavlik. As a match up i think it would have been closer than most think.
Like i said he is a elite fighter, however his opponent list leaves so much to be desired.
Maybe i was harsh on Kessler, but i remain convinced that the Hopkins fight was not only a win for Bernard (i know some disagree) but the fact that Joe refused a rematch, on top of the statement he made saying it was his hardest fight paints a very cowardly picture.
posted on 17/6/12
mike,
hopkins efforts after the calzaghe fight indicate to me that he was in his prime when he fought calzaghe.
a fight with jones jr 7 or 8 years earlier would have been great but lets not forget that hopkins and jones both stayed at home for years on fat HBO contracts fighting bum of the month defences.
still nobody has satisfactorily explained to me how calzaghe deserves criticism for that whilst the americans don't despite doing exactly the same thing.
posted on 17/6/12
Whilst they were not perfect, the p4p fighters of the time were fighting each other. With regards to Hopkins, yes he was still in him prime, however at 43 years old your body biology is not the same as when u were 33! Calzaghe fought bums for 99% of the time.
Roy was the 1st person in a century to go from champ at middleweight 164lbs all the way through to being champ at light heavy! He was also p4p for a near on a decade. Hopkins was the guy to end winky wright's 7 year undefeated streak. Joe had a couple years left in him, he'll he could even had redeemed himself by entering the super six. Alas he ran off and decided to sit on his wooden record. Hatton although nowhere near as gifted, has a better resume.
posted on 18/6/12
winky wright,
theres another one who put together a lot of defences against mostly average at best opposition.
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