There is a gap between Cazorla and Cesc, but that gap is mostly in the head. If I had to describe Cazorla I'd say he's speedy Gonzalez crossed with Arteta and Cesc, he has the technical consistency of Arteta (on a higher level) mixed with the footballing understanding of Cesc. The only difference is that Cesc far outstrips Cazorla in this sense.

Henrykamp you are a not an Arsenal fan.

"So you judge players by comparing them to Cesc? Nice one bro.
henrykampesque logic there."

No, I have my own judgement on these players. Just saying if they are not better than Cesc, which they aren't, then how can they be world class?

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Henrykamp you are a not an Arsenal fan.

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I am more of a fan than you plastic . Forgive me for not going overboard about a player after 8 years of no celebrations.

People have short memories. Cesc was world class, Cazorla has just got started. When Cesc left nobody mentioned Cazorla to replace him, because they knew nothing about him. Dubbed thinks Podolski is world class . What a deluded

Van Nistelrooy was world class but never even close to the level of Thierry Henry.

You are going overboard on telling everybody that he is just average. You have not shut up about it for days.

Van Nistelrooy was world class but never even close to the level of Thierry Henry.
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Van Nisterooy proved it by scoring bucket loads of goals for Man U. No Man U fan said he was world class before he started to bang them in on a regular basis and winning trophies along the way.

A midfielder's job isn't to bang them in. It's to control the game and create chances. That's what Cazorla has been doing. That's why we're saying he's world class. Do you get it now?

I never said he should bang them in. All I'm saying is call him world class after a long period of time, not 3 games. Is that hard to understand?

to be world class you need to be one of the 5 best players in your position

Xavi
Iniesta
Cesc
Silva
Ozil

all better so cazorla not world class

So if Puskas, Pele, Ronaldo, Henry, Baggio, Van Basten and Eusebio all played at once you'd say some of them weren't world class?

We're in the era where there are many world class midfielders.

there has to be a reason why they're world class

theres a lot of players like cazorla so you cant really call him world class unless hes one of the players whos clearly a level above the rest. cazorla isnt

It depends if you look at it in the short term or in the long term. Would Cazorla have been world class if he played 20 years ago?

"No, I have my own judgement on these players. Just saying if they are not better than Cesc, which they aren't, then how can they be world class?"

Still an idiotic logic.

Does a winger have to be better than Ronaldo to be world class.

"People have short memories. Cesc was world class, Cazorla has just got started. When Cesc left nobody mentioned Cazorla to replace him, because they knew nothing about him. Dubbed thinks Podolski is world class . What a deluded "

I don't know about anyone else, but I certainly knew about Cazorla. Always admired him as a player.

Where did I say Podolski was world class? Making stuff up?

I said he can become world class in a year or two.

"theres a lot of players like cazorla so you cant really call him world class unless hes one of the players whos clearly a level above the rest. cazorla isnt"

Cazorla was a level above most players in La Liga, bar Ozil, Iniesta, Ronaldo, Messi.
He is a level above most players in the Prem too. Just don't see your logic.

Silva? If he's being mentioned Cazorla certainly should be too.
He is on par with him.

Cazorla is the level below world class imo

quality player but think the term "world class" is being used too much on too many players

henrykamp is a mo'ng.

Read my articles when Cazorla signed for Arsenal. I was saying he was world class.

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Your opinion. But if you're mentioning Silva, I think Cazorla deserves a shout too.

"Still an idiotic logic.

Does a winger have to be better than Ronaldo to be world class."

Ronaldo is the 2nd best player in the world. Cesc is a bench warmer, go figure.

World class is an opinion, far too much debate as to who's deemed world class and who's not. World class means different things to different people, please just move on.

Cesc shouldn't be a bench warmer and it's idiocy to leave him there. Del Bosque realised that Fabregas was too good to leave on the bench so he benched Torres in favour of him.

Cesc shouldn't be a bench warmer and it's idiocy to leave him there. Del Bosque realised that Fabregas was too good to leave on the bench so he benched Torres in favour of him.
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Why didn't he bring on Cazorla instead? . Even bigger benchwarmer

Gee, they're right henrykamp. You're just a scouser who painted his arms white.

The point I am making is unlike the likes of Xavi, Van Persie, Messi, Ronaldo, there is debate about whether the likes of Rooney or Fabregas are even world class footballers. So if Cazorla is not better than those players, which he isn't, then how can he be nailed on a world class player the 2 names I have mentioned are arguably not world class themselves.

And yes I know people have different meanings of the words world class, but there should still be a silver lining, too many Paul Merson's on here that brand everybody 'top top class' when they are nowhere near the level of elite footballers.

Completely agree Batmanu