Maybe he's pash in training and doesn't deserve a start?
Ivan, BR is quite public when players are not pulling their weight, he's had digs at Cole, Enrique and Downing so I don't think it's an issue with his training.
One thing I noticed is Suso lacks pace. He's wasted stuck out on the right and I think as a result his performace is dropping off. He maight need some more time in the ressies. We are depending on the kids too much in general at the moment.
As for Assaidi, he is taking time to settle and will get more games as the season goes on.
Give Suso a bit of time in midfield. Can't do any worse than Gerrard this season.
Actually thinking about it when Lucas is back to protect him, Lucas, Suso, Allen could work quite well.
i think he likes his wingers to cut inside, and with sterling doing so well from the left, its sort of limited assaidis chances
Yesterdays game was crying for OA - Instead we got Downing
People expect too much from young players, and too much from pretty inexperienced foreign players.
Assaidi is settling into to English football and right now regular games in the EL are probably better for him. Also he can only really play on the left, so playing him would mean we had to put Sterling right side which is not his best position.
He has only been here 5 minutes, give him a chance to settle on and off the pitch and see how he does in the 2nd half of the season. If he was ready, then Rodgers would be playing him.
As for Suso, he is only 18/19. He is learning a new position for a new manager in a tough physical league. He will be a better player for this experience, but he wouldn't be in the team if we had more players (or Borini was fit).
Just don't expect miracles from young players and don't think every bad performance means they are really struggling.
Kids are inconsistent.
Righteous going by your point then Henderson and Shelvey should start ahead of Sahin then?
I'm not saying he should start ahead of Sterling. I just think he should be used as a sub more often. We are in November now so he should be settled and ready to play but come January he will be gone to the dreaded African Nations cup for Morocco.
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Righteous going by your point then Henderson and Shelvey should start ahead of Sahin then?
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Not really.
Sahin was Bundesliga player of the year. He is not comparable to Assaidi, who was merely a decent player in Holland.
Plus Sahin is only here for a year, so we need him to adapt to English football asap for his move to be worth it.
Assaidi is here for several years, so we can be a bit more conservative with him.
Its easy to say this player or that player should be playing when we don't see the players in training every week.
Maybe he didn't use Assaidi because he was so poor against Swansea?
People expect too much from young players, and too much from pretty inexperienced foreign players.
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Righteous, I agree with this statement. However, can we really use this as an excuse if we pursue a policy of only buying young, inexperienced players? Seems a very dangerous policy to me. Only hope the new arrivals get up to speed before the better performing players decide to go somewhere that can better match their ambitions.
This^^^^^
The club have put themselves in this mess,very dangerous gamble from a footballing point of view.
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I agree. Assaidi should be starting games with Suso on the bench.
Great teams, in recent windows the emphasis has been very much towards moving older players on and bringing in youngsters. FSG did say that there would be money to spend on the right player, but it wasn't there when the player identified by BR was old and experienced (Clint Dempsey).
So my suspicion is that we will be going mostly for young, inexperienced players in January, and as Righteous said we'll have to give them time to develop. Not knocking Assaidi or Borini but similar signings in January wouldn't make a major contribution this season.
Nonsense. Dempsey would have been a ridiculous signing in my opinion. Paying a high fee for a player with a couple of seasons at the top in him. I'm glad FSG identified this. He hasn't exactly set the world alight for Spurs either.
This doesn't say that FSG only want to sign young players. It says that they want value for money.
WHO THE FECK IS DISSING SUSO, I WILL SLAP YOUR FACE OFF
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TOOR, you're entitled to your opinion on Dempsey, but it is totally irrelevant to this discussion.
BR clearly wanted Dempsey and whatever you or I think of the player is of absolutely no consequence. The only relevant point is that BR was not allowed to get the player that he wanted.
I agree that Dempsey hasn't set the world on fire at Spurs. And clearly Borini has?
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TOOR, you're entitled to your opinion on Dempsey, but it is totally irrelevant to this discussion.
BR clearly wanted Dempsey and whatever you or I think of the player is of absolutely no consequence. The only relevant point is that BR was not allowed to get the player that he wanted.
I agree that Dempsey hasn't set the world on fire at Spurs. And clearly Borini has?
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Of course it's relevant. Kenny wanted Carroll and the owners got him, despite him being £35m. Brendan wanted Dempsey, the owners said hold on a minute, we don't like that deal, pull out. Sounds very relevant to me. They get criticised for allowing Kenny to take on a bad deal and they get criticised for not allowing Brendan to take on a bad deal, they can't win.
Great teams, I don't disagree with moving on older players who are underperforming. But the obvious effect of our recent activity has been to leave us with a very thin and young, inexperienced squad.
If BR only wants to sign young players then I will happily trust his judgement. However, if the owners are forcing this policy on him (as suggested by the Dempsey fiasco) then I would rather they took a step back and let him buy the players that he thinks will best suit his system.
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We made a bid, Fulham who were unhappy with our pursuit of him, rejected it. They then accepted Spurs' higher offer.
Of course it's relevant. Kenny wanted Carroll and the owners got him, despite him being £35m. Brendan wanted Dempsey, the owners said hold on a minute, we don't like that deal, pull out. Sounds very relevant to me. They get criticised for allowing Kenny to take on a bad deal and they get criticised for not allowing Brendan to take on a bad deal, they can't win.
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So your basic argument is that you trust FSGs judgement on a player above BRs. I disagree with this. If BR feels that he needs a player at a reasonable price then they should back him.
I see your point about FSG being damned if they do and damned if they don't. But comparing a 6 million punt for Dempsey with a the 35million for AC is a bit of a stretch.
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posted on 5/11/12
Maybe he's pash in training and doesn't deserve a start?
posted on 5/11/12
Ivan, BR is quite public when players are not pulling their weight, he's had digs at Cole, Enrique and Downing so I don't think it's an issue with his training.
posted on 5/11/12
One thing I noticed is Suso lacks pace. He's wasted stuck out on the right and I think as a result his performace is dropping off. He maight need some more time in the ressies. We are depending on the kids too much in general at the moment.
As for Assaidi, he is taking time to settle and will get more games as the season goes on.
posted on 5/11/12
Give Suso a bit of time in midfield. Can't do any worse than Gerrard this season.
posted on 5/11/12
Actually thinking about it when Lucas is back to protect him, Lucas, Suso, Allen could work quite well.
posted on 5/11/12
i think he likes his wingers to cut inside, and with sterling doing so well from the left, its sort of limited assaidis chances
posted on 5/11/12
Yesterdays game was crying for OA - Instead we got Downing
posted on 5/11/12
People expect too much from young players, and too much from pretty inexperienced foreign players.
Assaidi is settling into to English football and right now regular games in the EL are probably better for him. Also he can only really play on the left, so playing him would mean we had to put Sterling right side which is not his best position.
He has only been here 5 minutes, give him a chance to settle on and off the pitch and see how he does in the 2nd half of the season. If he was ready, then Rodgers would be playing him.
As for Suso, he is only 18/19. He is learning a new position for a new manager in a tough physical league. He will be a better player for this experience, but he wouldn't be in the team if we had more players (or Borini was fit).
Just don't expect miracles from young players and don't think every bad performance means they are really struggling.
Kids are inconsistent.
posted on 5/11/12
Righteous going by your point then Henderson and Shelvey should start ahead of Sahin then?
I'm not saying he should start ahead of Sterling. I just think he should be used as a sub more often. We are in November now so he should be settled and ready to play but come January he will be gone to the dreaded African Nations cup for Morocco.
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Righteous going by your point then Henderson and Shelvey should start ahead of Sahin then?
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Not really.
Sahin was Bundesliga player of the year. He is not comparable to Assaidi, who was merely a decent player in Holland.
Plus Sahin is only here for a year, so we need him to adapt to English football asap for his move to be worth it.
Assaidi is here for several years, so we can be a bit more conservative with him.
Its easy to say this player or that player should be playing when we don't see the players in training every week.
Maybe he didn't use Assaidi because he was so poor against Swansea?
posted on 5/11/12
People expect too much from young players, and too much from pretty inexperienced foreign players.
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Righteous, I agree with this statement. However, can we really use this as an excuse if we pursue a policy of only buying young, inexperienced players? Seems a very dangerous policy to me. Only hope the new arrivals get up to speed before the better performing players decide to go somewhere that can better match their ambitions.
posted on 5/11/12
This^^^^^
The club have put themselves in this mess,very dangerous gamble from a footballing point of view.
posted on 5/11/12
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posted on 5/11/12
I agree. Assaidi should be starting games with Suso on the bench.
posted on 5/11/12
Great teams, in recent windows the emphasis has been very much towards moving older players on and bringing in youngsters. FSG did say that there would be money to spend on the right player, but it wasn't there when the player identified by BR was old and experienced (Clint Dempsey).
So my suspicion is that we will be going mostly for young, inexperienced players in January, and as Righteous said we'll have to give them time to develop. Not knocking Assaidi or Borini but similar signings in January wouldn't make a major contribution this season.
posted on 5/11/12
Nonsense. Dempsey would have been a ridiculous signing in my opinion. Paying a high fee for a player with a couple of seasons at the top in him. I'm glad FSG identified this. He hasn't exactly set the world alight for Spurs either.
This doesn't say that FSG only want to sign young players. It says that they want value for money.
posted on 5/11/12
WHO THE FECK IS DISSING SUSO, I WILL SLAP YOUR FACE OFF
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posted on 5/11/12
TOOR, you're entitled to your opinion on Dempsey, but it is totally irrelevant to this discussion.
BR clearly wanted Dempsey and whatever you or I think of the player is of absolutely no consequence. The only relevant point is that BR was not allowed to get the player that he wanted.
I agree that Dempsey hasn't set the world on fire at Spurs. And clearly Borini has?
posted on 5/11/12
comment by FSB (U11355)
posted 4 minutes ago
TOOR, you're entitled to your opinion on Dempsey, but it is totally irrelevant to this discussion.
BR clearly wanted Dempsey and whatever you or I think of the player is of absolutely no consequence. The only relevant point is that BR was not allowed to get the player that he wanted.
I agree that Dempsey hasn't set the world on fire at Spurs. And clearly Borini has?
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Of course it's relevant. Kenny wanted Carroll and the owners got him, despite him being £35m. Brendan wanted Dempsey, the owners said hold on a minute, we don't like that deal, pull out. Sounds very relevant to me. They get criticised for allowing Kenny to take on a bad deal and they get criticised for not allowing Brendan to take on a bad deal, they can't win.
posted on 5/11/12
Great teams, I don't disagree with moving on older players who are underperforming. But the obvious effect of our recent activity has been to leave us with a very thin and young, inexperienced squad.
If BR only wants to sign young players then I will happily trust his judgement. However, if the owners are forcing this policy on him (as suggested by the Dempsey fiasco) then I would rather they took a step back and let him buy the players that he thinks will best suit his system.
posted on 5/11/12
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posted on 5/11/12
We made a bid, Fulham who were unhappy with our pursuit of him, rejected it. They then accepted Spurs' higher offer.
posted on 5/11/12
Of course it's relevant. Kenny wanted Carroll and the owners got him, despite him being £35m. Brendan wanted Dempsey, the owners said hold on a minute, we don't like that deal, pull out. Sounds very relevant to me. They get criticised for allowing Kenny to take on a bad deal and they get criticised for not allowing Brendan to take on a bad deal, they can't win.
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So your basic argument is that you trust FSGs judgement on a player above BRs. I disagree with this. If BR feels that he needs a player at a reasonable price then they should back him.
I see your point about FSG being damned if they do and damned if they don't. But comparing a 6 million punt for Dempsey with a the 35million for AC is a bit of a stretch.
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