Go on, Cravies....keep up the Thatcherite rhetoric. Good lad.

You don't agree with what's being said, so you make a plea for the person commenting to be disappeared.

Actually, that's more Stalin than Thatcher, isn't it...?

Boy, you are confused politically.....

I am going to have to stop here as you're thick. You will not find me defending Thatcher I use sense and reason. Cancer kills cancer sufferers. You are too stupid to understand and have been sold some lefty tosh that's got you wound up.

If you try hard enough you might find one of her ancestors and blame them for the 1665 plague!!!

I don't like Thatcher but you are desperate to blame her for everything. Whoever you are Aries give up as this poster is sat in front of the window saying "this long cold winter we have had, damn you Thatcher YOUR TO BLAME!!!"

TCT

Of course you’ve given up Cravie. Every ridiculous comment you have made has been met with a sensible, logical rebuttal so you have nowhere left to go.
Cancer kills people. Medicine and treatment can help people survive. She refused sufferers (by starving the NHS) that treatment knowing the consequences and must therefore be held responsible for their deaths and suffering. Wasn’t personal responsibility one of her mantras?

sense and reason ok!

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/death-parties-one-thing-for-hitler-but-another-for-thatcher-8568431.html

Cravies, serious question now:

Are you old enough to remember the 80's in any detail?

Please I am not trying to defend her I just expect more than to be produced with an uneducated and one-sided argument.

Answer to your question. Yes.

Read the article I posted above. That is my stand point on this. I actually feel its far more balanced than some of the dross posted on here.

Please I am not trying to defend her I just expect more than to be produced with an uneducated and one-sided argument.
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That doesn't actually make any sense.

If someone's arguing with you, it's sort of a given that their position will be diametrically opposed to your own.

That's why you're arguing.

And by "remember the 80's in any detail" I didn't mean what colour were the curtains in your nursery.

I meant were you old enough to have an appreciation of political events back then?

Aries your scraping the bottom of the barrel sighting Judas along side Thatcher.

And what is so amazingly ignorant about laying the blame on Thatcher for what she did? As far as Cameron and Osborn are concerned they are very much what I think you are a pompous up yourself idiot. I can't use stronger words on the forum but I'm sure you get my drift.

We will see what happens at the funeral but you must be thick if you think the Queen could possibly refuse the invitation to attend.

Have you read the article in the Guardian? It rather looks as though someone thinks I have a point. Of course, I wouldn't expect you to agree that quite a lot of people don't want this public outpouring of adoration for a person they despise.

And by "remember the 80's in any detail" I didn't mean what colour were the curtains in your nursery.

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That's were it ends because as the article says your bandwagoning and totally one sided.

Of course it is more balanced Cravvie. It recognises her wrong doings whereas people like you can’t.

I honestly don’t care whether other people celebrate her death (like I am) or ignore it what I do care about is her life being celebrated. There is no justification for that.

were? your? and you dare to call me thick I blame Thatcher for you not grasping basic English.

Of course a few typos and I am as dense as you!!!

I can assure you, Cravies, there is no band-wagon jumping going on where I'm concerned.

I've been waiting for the old cow to die (painfully) since I was a student in the late 80's.

As you get older, you moderate your views and opinions and you change your priorities in life.

But on this one, I am as resolute as I was back in June 1987 when the evil unt got re-elected for a third term.

I vowed then that I would get as drunk as humanly possible when she died and that's the plan for tomorrow.

We've had a bottle of champagne in the cooler since Christmas 2005 so I think that'll be nicely chilled.

And I'm toying with the idea of taking a few days off next week and going down to London tothrow things at the cortege.

I kid you not.

No Cravvies the ridiculous arguments showing your total lack of understanding is what makes you dense.

By the way, I'm not a champagne socialist.

It was a present from somebody the wife works with.

Just wanted to clear that up.

I am a socialist, though.

I think there's about ten of us left......

And I'm toying with the idea of taking a few days off next week and going down to London tothrow things at the cortege.

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Listen I am not bothered about the rest of the post in fact I agree to it all bar throwing things as that's illegal. I don't like the woman TCT but just can't believe some of the strange things people blame her for. She's dead and after the funeral it's time to move. As time moves on itself.


Tatter I suggest you set off to find ways to blame Thatcher for the problems in North Korea!

Cravies: Enjoying his new found peace and on 606 (U11848)

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Ten million it is estimated to be costing. Had they had the will and real compassion, they could have put that money to better use. Cameron says the country can afford it, just like they can afford the 5pence in the pound tax cut for the richest in society. The problem is they can't afford to fund the weakest in our society.


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Your painting a picture that anyone with money is evil and everyone who is poor we should feel sorry for. That's a smear to entrepreneurs who worked and work damn hard for their money. Also that people who are poor can't be like the Philpotts. You never going to be right if your suggesting there is a class war and that anyone with money has a silver spoon. You are being sold leftist propaganda.

I don't think the public should pay for her funeral or should it be a big event. She died peacefully let her rest peacefully.

Cravies, sorry to say you have got it wrong. I don't think people with money are necessarily evil, although some may be. I don't feel sorry for everyone who is poor. If someone won't work when they could but prefer to live off state hand outs, I favour cutting their money to subsistent level and force them to get off their arris.

as for the Philpotts, I sincerely hope that you don't think I would side with cretins like them and I'm very surprised that you even link them with what I have said.

I am not suggesting there is a class war and that anyone with money has a silver spoon. You see you didn't actually say it but you inferred that is what I'm saying. The thing is, you know nothing about me but I retired ten years ago at the age of fifty-five and live on one of the best urbanisations on the the Costa Blanca if not Spain. Google Altea Hills and you'll probably understand what I'm saying.

The lesson there is don't assume anything about anyone you don't know.

What concerns me is not the people that won't help themselves, it's the people who can't help themselves who seem to be easy targets for the Torries. Sorry if you're a conservative but that's the way I feel.

TCT- Fair enough, i wasn't old enough in the 80s to appreciate the damage so don't have strong feelings on the matter- but surely it makes more sense to celebrate the death of her political career, rather than her actual death... When she was elected out and could do no more damage (as you would see it)

When she started suffering from Dementia in the early 2000s she ceased to have any political influence, so perhaps you could have had a party then... Celebrating her mental illness...

It just seems rather strange to me to celebrate the death of another human being... But like i said, i don't have the depth of feeling you do so perhaps we will never agree.

“Tatter I suggest you set off to find ways to blame Thatcher for the problems in North Korea!” Why would I do that Cravie all of my criticisms of her are based in reality? Why don’t you try to find a way NOT to blame her for what she actually did? Oh sorry you have been all day.

"What concerns me is not the people that won't help themselves, it's the people who can't help themselves who seem to be easy targets for the Torries."

That's the point they are not.

A very good friend of mine died of cancer in the late 80s. He was very well looked after had excellent treatment but cancer killed him. It left his two children without a father from the age of 2 and 4. To say what you have suggested shows how out of touch you are.

My sister in law works as a financial director for a hospital down south and her department make decisions on cancer drugs everyday. They balance whether they should fund treatment everyday. By your calculations if she decides its not worth the treatment cost she is a murderer. Sadly that's the reality of the NHS and it always has been right from its beginnings when they decided they couldn't fund eye tests.

By saying Margaret Thatcher killed people in that way loses you any credibility!

What concerns me is not the people that won't help themselves, it's the people who can't help themselves who seem to be easy targets for the Torries. Sorry if you're a conservative but that's the way I feel


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I don't vote Conservative and never will. However I will not simply say everything they do is wrong. I am not saying you're saying that either. Politics today is far too blurred to be simply left vs right. Both labour and the Tories have gone middle ground. You find that now as they have very similar policies.