Respected
Having so many wrong decisions go in their favour.
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Oh turn it in....
I don't like Manchester United and hate them with passion, but we have to show respect to their players and club for them being champions. We have to show the same respect as they did for us in 1991. Fans that do the poznan on Sunday should feel embarrassed and will the club down big time.
As for RVP, i hate him with the way he left Arsenal and worse that he went to Utd. I would clap for 30 seconds, boo RVP and then i would be supporting my team for a 90 mins to get the 3 points. Blaming Arsene Wenger and telling him to count his money is a joke..If he wanted money don't you think he could have left Arsenal for PSG where they would pay him double salary.
Herbert Chapman took Arsenal to another level in England....but Arsene took Arsenal to another level in Europe. Arsene Wenger went unbeaten the whole season and still being competitive and moving to a bigger stadium and improving the training facility to help attract better players.
I do not recall Man Utd fans behaving badly when Arsenal won the title there in 2002. I think I recall Lee Dixon praising their reaction at having Arsenal win the title there.As for RVP,well he was right to go and he could have gone elsewhere for more money.
Call it sportmanship if you like.
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I do not see whats sportsmanship got to do with it. Applauding someone for winning the title? Why should opposing players partake in cheering for the opposition?
Man Utd won the title. Fair enough they were the best team in the league this season. There is a handshake and the players can certainly say well done when doing that.
However I don't see why something which is very specific to the Latin culture should be adopted in England. And frankly its roots lies in the Franco dictatorship when Real Madrid were applauded even before they took the pitch.
Blaming Arsene Wenger and telling him to count his money is a joke..If he wanted money don't you think he could have left Arsenal for PSG where they would pay him double salary.
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he wouldn't be picking up any wages after 8 odd years without a pot to p i ss in
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Arsene Wenger went unbeaten the whole season and still being competitive and moving to a bigger stadium and improving the training facility to help attract better players.
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invincibles is in the past
attracting players like bendtner,gervinho,park,
Fully agree with jenius on this one.
People are talking as if the guard of honour is some sort of time-honoured tradition that occurs year on year without fail, but it's use in previous years has been sporadic to say the least.
I may be wrong, but whilst I believe we got one in 1998, I don't recall us receiving one in 2002 or 2004 (?)
I would have no qualms about us doing it were it solely a gesture of respect, but it's not; people care more about the fact that we'd be forced to applaud our ex-captain and persona non grata, Van Persie, than they care about us showing respect to what United have achieved.
It's being used as a stick to beat us with, not as a mark of respect, so I don't advocate it's use.
but it's not; people care more about the fact that we'd be forced to applaud our ex-captain and persona non grata, Van Persie, than they care about us showing respect to what United have achieved
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Of course it isnt. Nobody knew United would have the title sewn up by the time they came to The Emirates.
What a bad sportsman you are.
Oh & United gave Arsenal the GOH in 1991...
"Of course it isnt. Nobody knew United would have the title sewn up by the time they came to The Emirates."
I fail to see how this is relevant. The guard of honour talk has proliferated only since it became clear that it would be Arsenal 'honouring' Manchester United and Van Persie.
This is not to say there wouldn't have been talk of one if it had been a different team, but there would have been nowhere near the amount of attention.
There have been numerous occasions when a guard of honour hasn't been performed, and no-one has raised an eyebrow.
Now it's seen as a heinous act of bad sportsmanship if Arsenal don't perform what is far from an annual tradition.
And I know United gave Arsenal one in 1991, but again, there have been countless occasions when one hasn't been performed.
As I say, I wouldn't mind if it was simply a mark of respect and nothing more, but with Van Persie involved, it would go far beyond that.
DaStuDogg
I fail to see how this is relevant.
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Its relevant because you're claiming its an RVP anti-Arsenal thing, where it wouldnt be if the title had have been won a week earlier or later, or by another team entirely.
You're making it an anti-RVP thing, which is very unsporting to Manchester Unit as a club, and all their fans.
Why do you even have a "they didnt do it in year X, Y & Z, so why should we" attitude? You should do it for sportsmanship reasons just like anyone else would.
It seems awfully childish (IMO) to turn your back on something like that. You dont see this happen in other sports - can you imagine if, at the Olympics, all the losing nations turned their back on the podium finishers?
If you cant respect champions, then you shouldnt really be a fan of sport (again, IMO).
"Its relevant because you're claiming its an RVP anti-Arsenal thing, where it wouldnt be if the title had have been won a week earlier or later, or by another team entirely."
I'm not saying the guard of honour is intrinsically a Van Persie related issue; I'm saying that this particular guard of honour would be inextricably linked to said issue.
"Why do you even have a "they didnt do it in year X, Y & Z, so why should we" attitude? You should do it for sportsmanship reasons just like anyone else would."
Except it's not something that anyone else would do....because plenty of other teams haven't...
"If you cant respect champions, then you shouldnt really be a fan of sport (again, IMO)."
I can respect the champions and I do - I never said anything otherwise.
If you can't form an argument without the use of a straw man, then you shouldn't be on this forum (IMO).
Blimey... I am going to have to agree with the Spurs fan.
IMO its a nice honourable thing to do and should be done. I will be at the game and clap the champions onto the pitch. I hope I am in the majority. I will leave it there as I have said my piece.
If you can't form an argument without the use of a straw man
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LucasNorthBank,
The majority of debates on here shouldn't be dependant on what club we choose to follow. Although most people reply or argue opinions based on exactly that.
And that is a shame...
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posted on 24/4/13
Respected
Having so many wrong decisions go in their favour.
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Oh turn it in....
posted on 24/4/13
I don't like Manchester United and hate them with passion, but we have to show respect to their players and club for them being champions. We have to show the same respect as they did for us in 1991. Fans that do the poznan on Sunday should feel embarrassed and will the club down big time.
As for RVP, i hate him with the way he left Arsenal and worse that he went to Utd. I would clap for 30 seconds, boo RVP and then i would be supporting my team for a 90 mins to get the 3 points. Blaming Arsene Wenger and telling him to count his money is a joke..If he wanted money don't you think he could have left Arsenal for PSG where they would pay him double salary.
Herbert Chapman took Arsenal to another level in England....but Arsene took Arsenal to another level in Europe. Arsene Wenger went unbeaten the whole season and still being competitive and moving to a bigger stadium and improving the training facility to help attract better players.
posted on 24/4/13
I do not recall Man Utd fans behaving badly when Arsenal won the title there in 2002. I think I recall Lee Dixon praising their reaction at having Arsenal win the title there.As for RVP,well he was right to go and he could have gone elsewhere for more money.
posted on 24/4/13
Call it sportmanship if you like.
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I do not see whats sportsmanship got to do with it. Applauding someone for winning the title? Why should opposing players partake in cheering for the opposition?
Man Utd won the title. Fair enough they were the best team in the league this season. There is a handshake and the players can certainly say well done when doing that.
However I don't see why something which is very specific to the Latin culture should be adopted in England. And frankly its roots lies in the Franco dictatorship when Real Madrid were applauded even before they took the pitch.
posted on 24/4/13
Blaming Arsene Wenger and telling him to count his money is a joke..If he wanted money don't you think he could have left Arsenal for PSG where they would pay him double salary.
_____________________________________________________
he wouldn't be picking up any wages after 8 odd years without a pot to p i ss in
____________________________________________________
Arsene Wenger went unbeaten the whole season and still being competitive and moving to a bigger stadium and improving the training facility to help attract better players.
___________________________________________________
invincibles is in the past
attracting players like bendtner,gervinho,park,
posted on 24/4/13
Fully agree with jenius on this one.
People are talking as if the guard of honour is some sort of time-honoured tradition that occurs year on year without fail, but it's use in previous years has been sporadic to say the least.
I may be wrong, but whilst I believe we got one in 1998, I don't recall us receiving one in 2002 or 2004 (?)
I would have no qualms about us doing it were it solely a gesture of respect, but it's not; people care more about the fact that we'd be forced to applaud our ex-captain and persona non grata, Van Persie, than they care about us showing respect to what United have achieved.
It's being used as a stick to beat us with, not as a mark of respect, so I don't advocate it's use.
posted on 24/4/13
but it's not; people care more about the fact that we'd be forced to applaud our ex-captain and persona non grata, Van Persie, than they care about us showing respect to what United have achieved
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Of course it isnt. Nobody knew United would have the title sewn up by the time they came to The Emirates.
What a bad sportsman you are.
Oh & United gave Arsenal the GOH in 1991...
posted on 24/4/13
"Of course it isnt. Nobody knew United would have the title sewn up by the time they came to The Emirates."
I fail to see how this is relevant. The guard of honour talk has proliferated only since it became clear that it would be Arsenal 'honouring' Manchester United and Van Persie.
This is not to say there wouldn't have been talk of one if it had been a different team, but there would have been nowhere near the amount of attention.
There have been numerous occasions when a guard of honour hasn't been performed, and no-one has raised an eyebrow.
Now it's seen as a heinous act of bad sportsmanship if Arsenal don't perform what is far from an annual tradition.
And I know United gave Arsenal one in 1991, but again, there have been countless occasions when one hasn't been performed.
As I say, I wouldn't mind if it was simply a mark of respect and nothing more, but with Van Persie involved, it would go far beyond that.
posted on 24/4/13
DaStuDogg
I fail to see how this is relevant.
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Its relevant because you're claiming its an RVP anti-Arsenal thing, where it wouldnt be if the title had have been won a week earlier or later, or by another team entirely.
You're making it an anti-RVP thing, which is very unsporting to Manchester Unit as a club, and all their fans.
Why do you even have a "they didnt do it in year X, Y & Z, so why should we" attitude? You should do it for sportsmanship reasons just like anyone else would.
It seems awfully childish (IMO) to turn your back on something like that. You dont see this happen in other sports - can you imagine if, at the Olympics, all the losing nations turned their back on the podium finishers?
If you cant respect champions, then you shouldnt really be a fan of sport (again, IMO).
posted on 24/4/13
"Its relevant because you're claiming its an RVP anti-Arsenal thing, where it wouldnt be if the title had have been won a week earlier or later, or by another team entirely."
I'm not saying the guard of honour is intrinsically a Van Persie related issue; I'm saying that this particular guard of honour would be inextricably linked to said issue.
"Why do you even have a "they didnt do it in year X, Y & Z, so why should we" attitude? You should do it for sportsmanship reasons just like anyone else would."
Except it's not something that anyone else would do....because plenty of other teams haven't...
"If you cant respect champions, then you shouldnt really be a fan of sport (again, IMO)."
I can respect the champions and I do - I never said anything otherwise.
If you can't form an argument without the use of a straw man, then you shouldn't be on this forum (IMO).
posted on 24/4/13
Blimey... I am going to have to agree with the Spurs fan.
IMO its a nice honourable thing to do and should be done. I will be at the game and clap the champions onto the pitch. I hope I am in the majority. I will leave it there as I have said my piece.
posted on 24/4/13
If you can't form an argument without the use of a straw man
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^
LucasNorthBank,
The majority of debates on here shouldn't be dependant on what club we choose to follow. Although most people reply or argue opinions based on exactly that.
And that is a shame...
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