Greaves,
I'd like to think that no-one will be coming on here with their "i told you so's" but you say "we are one of the best teams in the PL & certainly on our day the one that plays the best football", well as it stands we are only the 5th best in the PL, where we previously had the bragging rights of being the 4th best.
Whilst i appreciate you trying to lift us up & remove the doom & gloom, i cannot be positive about my club going backwards.
Its not a time to be pointing fingers etc but its something we have to acknowledge.
We've trod a bit of water Chicken to be fair, a slight improvement on last season (and indeed our previous best in 2009/10)
You can only affect your own results - as it is Chelsea have improved on last season, hence their 3rd place finish with 76pts, and Arsenal did slightly too.
I'm fine with that for right now, as we haven't gone backwards, but i'd expect him to kick on to 75pts+ next season, and make us a little easier to watch
chicken is insistance on this spurs going backwards nonsense.
we performed better than last year (statistically proven), its just that arsenal and chelsea improved at a faster rate
not sure why you cannot grasp this.
To be honest I feared the worst when AVB
took over.While finishing 5th is going backwards
I expected much worst and under the circumstances
he has done well.
He has definately won me over and now expect him more of him next season.
Arsenal look like they're finally getting their act together and may spend big this summer. Chelsea look like getting Mourinho.
What are Tottenham's chances of finishing in the top 4 next season or anytime in the distant future?
Once you revert to being a mid-table club, I can see attendances dropping.
Didn't matter we got 4th last year, we facked up 3rd and gifted it to Arsenal and then Chelsea won the CL, what bragging rights did we have? We knew we had to get 3rd and facked it.
HRH,
I'm fine with that for right now, as we haven't gone backwards
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Well we have gone backwards because we finished as the 4th highest ranked team last season and we're 5th ranked at the end of this one.
I dont know why we're using the points totals as fake evidence (or an excuse) to how we have not fallen backwards.
As i said on another article today, whilst its nice to beat a certain points total, if you reversed it & asked whether we would be happy to finish 3rd but on LESS points - posters would take that as progression every single time.
You can only beat, draw or lose to what is in front of you, and if the teams around us can gain more points from those teams, then so do we - if we want to progress.
The same goes for any position in the league, from the Championship winners to relegation places. None of them care what points tally is required to win or to survive, its the league position placing that determines all of that - not an increase or decrease in points from the year before.
Its nice to see stats but personal stats is not what we should be aiming for, its stats in relation to the other 19 teams we compete with. If Arsenal can gain more points from the group of teams we have to face for the season, then so do we.
As i say above, if we'd finished in 3rd on less points than last season would we all be saying we'd gone backwards or forwards? I'll answer it for you, we would be absolute lapping it up and bragging about how far we had come.
Every season is different with 3 different teams & 100's of different players. It doesn't matter that next season we have Cardiff, Hull & either Watford or Palace, instead of QPR, Wigan & Reading, and face all the different signings that all 19 Premiership teams will sign, to progress we have to finish in the highest rank possible, because thats how sport is judged - not by historic individual tallies.
Once you revert to being a mid-table club, I can see attendances dropping.
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why?
in the 90s we sold out every week when we were mid table ,
Kent,
what bragging rights did we have?
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Why do posters always bring the CL into it to defend finishing 4th one year (with no CL footy) or 5th the next (with no CL footy). Forget CL footy and just face that finishing 4th is better than 5th.
Using the "we haven't got CL so it don't matter" excuse is just daft.
We need to compare ourselves to the other 19 teams, not compare ourselves to ourselves.
I couldnt care less what points we finish on, as long as we're progressing within the sport we're in. Being content with dropping a place on the basis that we beat a previous points total is pointless.
Chicken............................I understand your reasoning, however I do not feel that overall we have gone backwards at all. Yes I know we finished 5th & not 4th, but that does not take into account improvements by other clubs, notably Chelsea & also Arsenal's performances over the past 3 months.
Unlike last season, our final quarter was much better and whilst we had the odd dodgy game we secured more points on the run in than last year.
We also seem to be a full 90 minutes plus team, with the ability (however achieved) to score late winners or equalisers. This is often seen as a trait that only clubs like Arsenal, United & Chelsea seemed capable of.
"Once you revert to being a mid-table club, I can see attendances dropping."
But no statement of when.
We can use yo-yo as a unit of measurement if you like.
Arsenal look like they're finally getting their act together and may spend big this summer. Chelsea look like getting Mourinho.
What are Tottenham's chances of finishing in the top 4 next season or anytime in the distant future?
Once you revert to being a mid-table club, I can see attendances dropping.
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So WHU are a mid to lower level PL club, based on your performances so far in the PL in recent years.
How do you expect to fill a 54,000 seater stadium, because as you well know you will always be in the lower tier of clubs in the PL, or possibly top half of the Championship!
Raise the mood? Shouldn't be necessary in my opinion.
I am over the moon, CL or not.
The future is bright, the future is Lilywhite
COYS
김치 aka kimchi aka Darth Lomchi
Unfortunately some fans are not as positive & enlightened as you seem to be!!
why do people let this Mug Mr bin laden my hammers spout his rubbish on our board, stick to defending terrorists and leave the football to the rest of us
Chicken
Well we have gone backwards because we finished as the 4th highest ranked team last season and we're 5th ranked at the end of this one.
Uttter nonsense. Does that means at the beginning of the season United went backwards because they finished second last season. Funny how they came back and finished top this year.
Spurs will have gone backwards if they finish with 50 points in 15th position. Finishing with 72 points, 1 point behind Arsenal, 2 points behind the CL winner Chelsea, 6 points behind prem winners Man City is not going backwards. It is called a very fine season given the budget of the other 3 clubs.
facts are if we had taken 4 points off Chelsea or Arsenal instead of Utd we would be 3rd or 4th.. have to take points from your rivals
Not beating Norwich Wigan Wba stoke etc at home is what cost us yet again and until we learnt to put these lesser teams to the sword at White Hart lane we will continue to suffer the same fate every yr
I think you weakened the XI, strengthened the squad, and ended up a net even overall.
Quite good considering a new manager.
you didn't go backwards at all. I think you did well in a transition year all considered.
Facts are, not getting an extra 2 pts is what cost Spurs.
Feel free to pick n mix the games where those 2 points were lost.
"you didn't go backwards at all. I think you did well in a transition year all considered."
Not bad at all, given the on paper pre-season doom-mongering, and actual season mistakes.
Everton away is a good start RDBD .. thats an extra 3 points thrown away in 2 minutes
And only one game in your list too.
Arsenal fans players and manager have now realised that they only have the top 4 to play for with us , thats why they celebrated like they had won the world cup
So whether we failed to finish above them or not, it was only a few yrs ago that they used to finish 20-40 points in front of us so they can mock all they like, this team is on the up and if not for so many things going wrong we would of had 2nd this yr.. If ADE had the form he had for the last 5 games all season we would of walked top 3 ..
I don't mock them for celebrating yesterday.
The relief at what no CL piggy trough would have meant for their wage bill was only too clear.
sandy,
Uttter nonsense. Does that means at the beginning of the season United went backwards because they finished second last season. Funny how they came back and finished top this year.
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Well of course United went backwards by finishing 2nd (from being Champions), and have subsequently gone forwards by finishing top this year. I'm not sure how anyone can oppose that analogy to be honest.
Do you think United fans saw coming 2nd as progression and winning the title this season as regression, then?
What odd points of view you have.
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posted on 20/5/13
Greaves,
I'd like to think that no-one will be coming on here with their "i told you so's" but you say "we are one of the best teams in the PL & certainly on our day the one that plays the best football", well as it stands we are only the 5th best in the PL, where we previously had the bragging rights of being the 4th best.
Whilst i appreciate you trying to lift us up & remove the doom & gloom, i cannot be positive about my club going backwards.
Its not a time to be pointing fingers etc but its something we have to acknowledge.
posted on 20/5/13
We've trod a bit of water Chicken to be fair, a slight improvement on last season (and indeed our previous best in 2009/10)
You can only affect your own results - as it is Chelsea have improved on last season, hence their 3rd place finish with 76pts, and Arsenal did slightly too.
I'm fine with that for right now, as we haven't gone backwards, but i'd expect him to kick on to 75pts+ next season, and make us a little easier to watch
posted on 20/5/13
chicken is insistance on this spurs going backwards nonsense.
we performed better than last year (statistically proven), its just that arsenal and chelsea improved at a faster rate
not sure why you cannot grasp this.
posted on 20/5/13
To be honest I feared the worst when AVB
took over.While finishing 5th is going backwards
I expected much worst and under the circumstances
he has done well.
He has definately won me over and now expect him more of him next season.
posted on 20/5/13
Arsenal look like they're finally getting their act together and may spend big this summer. Chelsea look like getting Mourinho.
What are Tottenham's chances of finishing in the top 4 next season or anytime in the distant future?
Once you revert to being a mid-table club, I can see attendances dropping.
posted on 20/5/13
Didn't matter we got 4th last year, we facked up 3rd and gifted it to Arsenal and then Chelsea won the CL, what bragging rights did we have? We knew we had to get 3rd and facked it.
posted on 20/5/13
HRH,
I'm fine with that for right now, as we haven't gone backwards
================
Well we have gone backwards because we finished as the 4th highest ranked team last season and we're 5th ranked at the end of this one.
I dont know why we're using the points totals as fake evidence (or an excuse) to how we have not fallen backwards.
As i said on another article today, whilst its nice to beat a certain points total, if you reversed it & asked whether we would be happy to finish 3rd but on LESS points - posters would take that as progression every single time.
You can only beat, draw or lose to what is in front of you, and if the teams around us can gain more points from those teams, then so do we - if we want to progress.
The same goes for any position in the league, from the Championship winners to relegation places. None of them care what points tally is required to win or to survive, its the league position placing that determines all of that - not an increase or decrease in points from the year before.
Its nice to see stats but personal stats is not what we should be aiming for, its stats in relation to the other 19 teams we compete with. If Arsenal can gain more points from the group of teams we have to face for the season, then so do we.
As i say above, if we'd finished in 3rd on less points than last season would we all be saying we'd gone backwards or forwards? I'll answer it for you, we would be absolute lapping it up and bragging about how far we had come.
Every season is different with 3 different teams & 100's of different players. It doesn't matter that next season we have Cardiff, Hull & either Watford or Palace, instead of QPR, Wigan & Reading, and face all the different signings that all 19 Premiership teams will sign, to progress we have to finish in the highest rank possible, because thats how sport is judged - not by historic individual tallies.
posted on 20/5/13
Once you revert to being a mid-table club, I can see attendances dropping.
------
why?
in the 90s we sold out every week when we were mid table ,
posted on 20/5/13
Kent,
what bragging rights did we have?
=================
Why do posters always bring the CL into it to defend finishing 4th one year (with no CL footy) or 5th the next (with no CL footy). Forget CL footy and just face that finishing 4th is better than 5th.
Using the "we haven't got CL so it don't matter" excuse is just daft.
We need to compare ourselves to the other 19 teams, not compare ourselves to ourselves.
I couldnt care less what points we finish on, as long as we're progressing within the sport we're in. Being content with dropping a place on the basis that we beat a previous points total is pointless.
posted on 20/5/13
Chicken............................I understand your reasoning, however I do not feel that overall we have gone backwards at all. Yes I know we finished 5th & not 4th, but that does not take into account improvements by other clubs, notably Chelsea & also Arsenal's performances over the past 3 months.
Unlike last season, our final quarter was much better and whilst we had the odd dodgy game we secured more points on the run in than last year.
We also seem to be a full 90 minutes plus team, with the ability (however achieved) to score late winners or equalisers. This is often seen as a trait that only clubs like Arsenal, United & Chelsea seemed capable of.
posted on 20/5/13
"Once you revert to being a mid-table club, I can see attendances dropping."
But no statement of when.
We can use yo-yo as a unit of measurement if you like.
posted on 20/5/13
Arsenal look like they're finally getting their act together and may spend big this summer. Chelsea look like getting Mourinho.
What are Tottenham's chances of finishing in the top 4 next season or anytime in the distant future?
Once you revert to being a mid-table club, I can see attendances dropping.
_________________________________________
So WHU are a mid to lower level PL club, based on your performances so far in the PL in recent years.
How do you expect to fill a 54,000 seater stadium, because as you well know you will always be in the lower tier of clubs in the PL, or possibly top half of the Championship!
posted on 20/5/13
Raise the mood? Shouldn't be necessary in my opinion.
I am over the moon, CL or not.
The future is bright, the future is Lilywhite
COYS
posted on 20/5/13
김치 aka kimchi aka Darth Lomchi
Unfortunately some fans are not as positive & enlightened as you seem to be!!
posted on 20/5/13
why do people let this Mug Mr bin laden my hammers spout his rubbish on our board, stick to defending terrorists and leave the football to the rest of us
posted on 20/5/13
Chicken
Well we have gone backwards because we finished as the 4th highest ranked team last season and we're 5th ranked at the end of this one.
Uttter nonsense. Does that means at the beginning of the season United went backwards because they finished second last season. Funny how they came back and finished top this year.
Spurs will have gone backwards if they finish with 50 points in 15th position. Finishing with 72 points, 1 point behind Arsenal, 2 points behind the CL winner Chelsea, 6 points behind prem winners Man City is not going backwards. It is called a very fine season given the budget of the other 3 clubs.
posted on 20/5/13
facts are if we had taken 4 points off Chelsea or Arsenal instead of Utd we would be 3rd or 4th.. have to take points from your rivals
Not beating Norwich Wigan Wba stoke etc at home is what cost us yet again and until we learnt to put these lesser teams to the sword at White Hart lane we will continue to suffer the same fate every yr
posted on 20/5/13
I think you weakened the XI, strengthened the squad, and ended up a net even overall.
Quite good considering a new manager.
you didn't go backwards at all. I think you did well in a transition year all considered.
posted on 20/5/13
Facts are, not getting an extra 2 pts is what cost Spurs.
Feel free to pick n mix the games where those 2 points were lost.
posted on 20/5/13
"you didn't go backwards at all. I think you did well in a transition year all considered."
Not bad at all, given the on paper pre-season doom-mongering, and actual season mistakes.
posted on 20/5/13
Everton away is a good start RDBD .. thats an extra 3 points thrown away in 2 minutes
posted on 20/5/13
And only one game in your list too.
posted on 20/5/13
Arsenal fans players and manager have now realised that they only have the top 4 to play for with us , thats why they celebrated like they had won the world cup
So whether we failed to finish above them or not, it was only a few yrs ago that they used to finish 20-40 points in front of us so they can mock all they like, this team is on the up and if not for so many things going wrong we would of had 2nd this yr.. If ADE had the form he had for the last 5 games all season we would of walked top 3 ..
posted on 20/5/13
I don't mock them for celebrating yesterday.
The relief at what no CL piggy trough would have meant for their wage bill was only too clear.
posted on 20/5/13
sandy,
Uttter nonsense. Does that means at the beginning of the season United went backwards because they finished second last season. Funny how they came back and finished top this year.
===================
Well of course United went backwards by finishing 2nd (from being Champions), and have subsequently gone forwards by finishing top this year. I'm not sure how anyone can oppose that analogy to be honest.
Do you think United fans saw coming 2nd as progression and winning the title this season as regression, then?
What odd points of view you have.
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