Well the gender issue is pretty easy. Being another gender is not all that hard, considering that it is merely a social construct.
Changing somebody's sèx to match that is the hard part.
"Just because I sympathise and have no problems with another’s sexual characteristics does not necessitate that I would want to have sexual relations with them.
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Why not they're a different gender now so it should be no problem
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Good luck to him - although I find it funny / patronising when people call him 'she' etc, it's still him underneath and we all know it. It's just he's wearing a dress and has some lipstick on now
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It doesn't hurt to use the pronouns that someone would hope for you to use, does it?
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Just seems so forced, to be suddenly calling (what is still a man) she.
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At one point, it was forced for people to stop calling black people the N word. After all, they were still a N word in people's eyes. Using the she/her/hers pronouns is merely a recognition of a life choice that we accept in modern day Britain. Failing to use them is a rejection of that.
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Biggest exaggeration ever - don't compare calling black people the n word and the dehumanising etc shït that went with it, to some stupid midget wearing a wig and putting on make up to make himself 'a girl'
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I was waiting for that reply. My point wasn't the severity of a situation but that sometimes social progress requires that others adopt their use of language appropriately.
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I ain't gonna call a blatant man - 'she' or 'her' . I don't think that's backwards or 'non progressive' just think it's common sense
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But it is kind, doesn't take anything away from you and allows somebody's quality of life to improve. You have no good reason not to.
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"She's" a grown man, 61 years old, I'm sure "she" wouldn't be too bothered.
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"She's" a grown man, 61 years old, I'm sure "she" wouldn't be too bothered.
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You mean the person who was so bothered by their body they decided north of sixty, and after a lifetime in the incredibly macho sport of boxing, to come out as a woman and to decide to live in that fashion? No, I'm sure she'll be absolutely fine and dandy with you treating her like a man.
Everybody can live how they want, intolerants and haters, whats it to do with you? Worry about your own lifes.
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Suggest reading your last post again as it does not make any sense whatsoever.
For clarity simply because an individual has had gender reassignment, does not mean am required to have 'relations' with them to quantify my viewpoint.
If you have objections to having a relationship with a transgender person then you obviously still have issues with it otherwise you're not really accepting them as a a different gender are you and that kind of defeats the point of having corrective surgery
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"She's" a grown man, 61 years old, I'm sure "she" wouldn't be too bothered.
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You mean the person who was so bothered by their body they decided north of sixty, and after a lifetime in the incredibly macho sport of boxing, to come out as a woman and to decide to live in that fashion? No, I'm sure she'll be absolutely fine and dandy with you treating her like a man.
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Well if he's been in this "incredibly macho" boxing world so long - he should know how to take it on the chin and man up (no pun intended)
You can't just avoid an issue because you know you're wrong and it detracts from your original view point
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Not sure you are being entirely honest on regard to your argument (or lack of one) however to answer your question, I wouldn’t have relations with a man as I am not gay.
Doesn’t mean I have any problems whatsoever with anyone who happens to be gay.
No different to those who change their gender.
Having a relationship with someone has absolutely nothing to do with being supportive and appreciative of their decision and lifestyle.
Of course you wouldn't have séx with a man if it doesn't suit you're sexuality that's not the point. If a man has gender reassignment to become a woman then surely if you accept him now as a woman you should have no issues entering a relationship with a transgender person beyond the usual issues you'd have with entering a relationship with any other woman otherwise you don't accept them as a different gender
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I think that's a bit of a superficial issue beyond snobbery. Gay people have managed perfectly fine using the adoption system or using surrogates/IVF treatment
No it's not a superficial issue. Having your own children is preferable to having to adopt or use a surrogate. Those methods are workarounds. I'd only adopt if I could also have some of my own children first.
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If I entered into a relationship with a woman, and was subsequently advised that she used to be a man, of course there would be a decision to make.
I would suggest that the subject may have been broached fairly early on in the relationship to avoid a scenario a ’la “The Crying Game” but to suggest that I wouldn’t “accept them” for who they are (as a person) is nonsensical.
I enjoy a debate on here like everyone else but you have presented absolutely no cognitive logic to support your point of view, and your arguments are (with all due respect) at best misguided, and at worst embarrassing.
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If I entered into a relationship with a woman, and was subsequently advised that she used to be a man, of course there would be a decision to make.
I would suggest that the subject may have been broached fairly early on in the relationship to avoid a scenario a ’la “The Crying Game” but to suggest that I wouldn’t “accept them” for who they are (as a person) is nonsensical.
I enjoy a debate on here like everyone else but you have presented absolutely no cognitive logic to support your point of view, and your arguments are (with all due respect) at best misguided, and at worst embarrassing.
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Not really you clearly have issues with the subject that's why it took you so long to give an answer which isn't 100% anyway. The other 2 said in principal there'd be no issues
And I don't see why it's illogical to suggest that if you accept that someone has changed gender that you shouldn't have issues entering a relationship with them if it suits your sexuality
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I don't think there is much left to "debate" if this is how you your mind has evaluated the matter...
You're the one with contradicting views not me
(U19680)
Suggest you take a few minutes, and refer to the previous comments on this thread. You will find my position has been concise and consistent throughout.
You’re clutching at straws.
Well, Frank, your decision - that will have absolutely no bearing on their lives - seems to have made some people here, that will most likely never meet you, very angry indeed.
I hope you're happy now, you selfish ma...woma... person.
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posted on 12/8/14
Well the gender issue is pretty easy. Being another gender is not all that hard, considering that it is merely a social construct.
Changing somebody's sèx to match that is the hard part.
posted on 12/8/14
"Just because I sympathise and have no problems with another’s sexual characteristics does not necessitate that I would want to have sexual relations with them.
"
Why not they're a different gender now so it should be no problem
posted on 12/8/14
comment by Giröulski Alt-153 and Alt-160 forever (U14971)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Wolf (U2064)
posted 23 seconds ago
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posted 2 hours, 22 minutes ago
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Good luck to him - although I find it funny / patronising when people call him 'she' etc, it's still him underneath and we all know it. It's just he's wearing a dress and has some lipstick on now
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It doesn't hurt to use the pronouns that someone would hope for you to use, does it?
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Just seems so forced, to be suddenly calling (what is still a man) she.
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At one point, it was forced for people to stop calling black people the N word. After all, they were still a N word in people's eyes. Using the she/her/hers pronouns is merely a recognition of a life choice that we accept in modern day Britain. Failing to use them is a rejection of that.
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Biggest exaggeration ever - don't compare calling black people the n word and the dehumanising etc shït that went with it, to some stupid midget wearing a wig and putting on make up to make himself 'a girl'
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I was waiting for that reply. My point wasn't the severity of a situation but that sometimes social progress requires that others adopt their use of language appropriately.
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I ain't gonna call a blatant man - 'she' or 'her' . I don't think that's backwards or 'non progressive' just think it's common sense
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But it is kind, doesn't take anything away from you and allows somebody's quality of life to improve. You have no good reason not to.
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"She's" a grown man, 61 years old, I'm sure "she" wouldn't be too bothered.
posted on 12/8/14
comment by Wolf (U2064)
posted 3 seconds ago
"She's" a grown man, 61 years old, I'm sure "she" wouldn't be too bothered.
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You mean the person who was so bothered by their body they decided north of sixty, and after a lifetime in the incredibly macho sport of boxing, to come out as a woman and to decide to live in that fashion? No, I'm sure she'll be absolutely fine and dandy with you treating her like a man.
posted on 12/8/14
Everybody can live how they want, intolerants and haters, whats it to do with you? Worry about your own lifes.
posted on 12/8/14
(U19680)
Suggest reading your last post again as it does not make any sense whatsoever.
For clarity simply because an individual has had gender reassignment, does not mean am required to have 'relations' with them to quantify my viewpoint.
posted on 12/8/14
If you have objections to having a relationship with a transgender person then you obviously still have issues with it otherwise you're not really accepting them as a a different gender are you and that kind of defeats the point of having corrective surgery
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comment by Giröulski Alt-153 and Alt-160 forever (U14971)
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comment by Wolf (U2064)
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"She's" a grown man, 61 years old, I'm sure "she" wouldn't be too bothered.
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You mean the person who was so bothered by their body they decided north of sixty, and after a lifetime in the incredibly macho sport of boxing, to come out as a woman and to decide to live in that fashion? No, I'm sure she'll be absolutely fine and dandy with you treating her like a man.
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Well if he's been in this "incredibly macho" boxing world so long - he should know how to take it on the chin and man up (no pun intended)
posted on 12/8/14
You can't just avoid an issue because you know you're wrong and it detracts from your original view point
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Not sure you are being entirely honest on regard to your argument (or lack of one) however to answer your question, I wouldn’t have relations with a man as I am not gay.
Doesn’t mean I have any problems whatsoever with anyone who happens to be gay.
No different to those who change their gender.
Having a relationship with someone has absolutely nothing to do with being supportive and appreciative of their decision and lifestyle.
posted on 12/8/14
Of course you wouldn't have séx with a man if it doesn't suit you're sexuality that's not the point. If a man has gender reassignment to become a woman then surely if you accept him now as a woman you should have no issues entering a relationship with a transgender person beyond the usual issues you'd have with entering a relationship with any other woman otherwise you don't accept them as a different gender
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posted on 12/8/14
I think that's a bit of a superficial issue beyond snobbery. Gay people have managed perfectly fine using the adoption system or using surrogates/IVF treatment
posted on 12/8/14
No it's not a superficial issue. Having your own children is preferable to having to adopt or use a surrogate. Those methods are workarounds. I'd only adopt if I could also have some of my own children first.
posted on 12/8/14
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If I entered into a relationship with a woman, and was subsequently advised that she used to be a man, of course there would be a decision to make.
I would suggest that the subject may have been broached fairly early on in the relationship to avoid a scenario a ’la “The Crying Game” but to suggest that I wouldn’t “accept them” for who they are (as a person) is nonsensical.
I enjoy a debate on here like everyone else but you have presented absolutely no cognitive logic to support your point of view, and your arguments are (with all due respect) at best misguided, and at worst embarrassing.
posted on 12/8/14
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If I entered into a relationship with a woman, and was subsequently advised that she used to be a man, of course there would be a decision to make.
I would suggest that the subject may have been broached fairly early on in the relationship to avoid a scenario a ’la “The Crying Game” but to suggest that I wouldn’t “accept them” for who they are (as a person) is nonsensical.
I enjoy a debate on here like everyone else but you have presented absolutely no cognitive logic to support your point of view, and your arguments are (with all due respect) at best misguided, and at worst embarrassing.
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posted on 12/8/14
Not really you clearly have issues with the subject that's why it took you so long to give an answer which isn't 100% anyway. The other 2 said in principal there'd be no issues
posted on 12/8/14
And I don't see why it's illogical to suggest that if you accept that someone has changed gender that you shouldn't have issues entering a relationship with them if it suits your sexuality
posted on 12/8/14
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I don't think there is much left to "debate" if this is how you your mind has evaluated the matter...
posted on 12/8/14
You're the one with contradicting views not me
posted on 12/8/14
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Suggest you take a few minutes, and refer to the previous comments on this thread. You will find my position has been concise and consistent throughout.
You’re clutching at straws.
posted on 12/8/14
Well, Frank, your decision - that will have absolutely no bearing on their lives - seems to have made some people here, that will most likely never meet you, very angry indeed.
I hope you're happy now, you selfish ma...woma... person.
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