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posted on 28/8/14

People seem to let Rosberg off the hook for being a cøck because he doesn't express his emotions as much after a race

posted on 28/8/14

i think its saying the fractious nature of the clash is good for F1, not necessarily the crashing out etc. F1 desperately needs some pantomime!

posted on 28/8/14

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posted on 28/8/14

clash....but not crash

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posted on 28/8/14

I think the fights will get worse.

Nico Rosberg must see this season's Mercedes dominance as his only ever chance of winning a WDC so will do anything to win it no matter what it takes.

The teams that are running close to Mercedes are the Red Bull and the Ferrari and they currently have the two weakest power units in F1. So their aero packages must be excellent to get them in front of the other Mercedes powered teams. Next season they will have improved power units and Honda might also be competitive.

If he does win it then I can't see his win as being very popular.

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posted on 28/8/14

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/motorsport/formulaone/lewishamilton/11060009/Lewis-Hamiltons-accusation-against-Nico-Rosberg-after-Belgian-Grand-Prix-the-latest-sign-of-persecution-complex.html

Pretty much on the money,someone who is not towing the British media line when it comes to all things Hamilton

posted on 28/8/14

So whats the alternative.... Its hamiltons fault for rosberg hitting him.

comment by WTCBU (U13662)

posted on 28/8/14

phil neville has three left feet (U13806)

Excuse my bad manners but I should have welcomed you to the F1 forum. This is the place to seriously set aside personal hatred of individuals and contribute to the topic of F1 in an adult way.

I am an Everton supporter that was born in Liverpool. I have watched F1 since 1961.

Please feel free to start contributing to our forum. Don't worry about googling links that you have no understanding of, this is all part of the fun.

I see that you entered into the spirit of jocularity by linking to an article by Oliver Brown of the Telegraph. Well funny.

You and The Guvnor V.I.K II-Frankenstein's Monster (U12889) must go to the same school.

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posted on 28/8/14

comment by WTCBU (U13662)
posted 2 hours, 3 minutes ago
phil neville has three left feet (U13806)

Excuse my bad manners but I should have welcomed you to the F1 forum. This is the place to seriously set aside personal hatred of individuals and contribute to the topic of F1 in an adult way.

I am an Everton supporter that was born in Liverpool. I have watched F1 since 1961.

Please feel free to start contributing to our forum. Don't worry about googling links that you have no understanding of, this is all part of the fun.

I see that you entered into the spirit of jocularity by linking to an article by Oliver Brown of the Telegraph. Well funny.

You and The Guvnor V.I.K II-Frankenstein's Monster (U12889) must go to the same school.


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So you don't agree with the article that paints Hamilton in a bad light.

I would have hoped an intelligent person like yourself would have given us a detailed analysis of what you thought was wrong and tried to convert us to the Hamilton love in brigade in which you seem to be a member of.

My dislike of Hamilton has nothing to do with his driving skills as he is an above average driver.My dislike of him is purely down to his personality and his constant whining that I find particulary annoying.

I wish him ill luck in this years Championship and would find it hard to contain my pleasure if he finishes 3rd in a 2 horse race.

I've nailed my colours to the mast regarding Hamilton so you know exactly where I stand regarding him

posted on 28/8/14

comment by phil neville has three left feet (U13806)
posted 5 hours, 35 minutes ago
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/motorsport/formulaone/lewishamilton/11060009/Lewis-Hamiltons-accusation-against-Nico-Rosberg-after-Belgian-Grand-Prix-the-latest-sign-of-persecution-complex.html

Pretty much on the money,someone who is not towing the British media line when it comes to all things Hamilton
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yeh i must admit hamilton is starting to come across as a bit weak minded and childish with his constant petulant whining and moaning about rosberg and what is even worse he is deliberately trying to drop his team mate in the cart by blubbering to anybody that will listen that rosberg took him out on purpose which as hamilton knows is garbage -

mind you this kind of behavior is nothing new from hamilton so people should now know what to expect from him when things are not going his way -

-------- fair play to rosberg he is matching hamilton for speed and ability and is camly getting on with the job in hand without all the blubbering and accusing that again brings into question hamiltons fragile character --

posted on 28/8/14

I felt pretty robbed of a good race at Spa to be honest. I want to see the best racers race. It was utterly frustrating to see one of the most entertaining racers in competitive action for no more than 2 laps, all thanks to Rosberg's dirty tactics

posted on 29/8/14

He's only "entertaining" because he sticks his car in places it doesn't belong.

Rosberg tries that and is branded a cheat.

posted on 29/8/14

Agree with sentiment that LH shouldn't have disclosed briefing discussion. However un-named Mercedes personnel agreed with him on content of what was said, even though TW said LH's interpretation was wrong.
From what has been written my interpretation is NR tried passing where he was never going to succeed. However he knew LH would correctly continue on racing line. He could have backed out but decided not to. Almost a 'let's see what happens' attitude. So maybe he didn't deliberately hit LH, but he knew there was a high possibility of a coming together. The fact that LH Tyre burst was again not deliberate but if you run (or put your car into a position where the other car hits) your front wing end plate into the sidewall of a rear tyre (the weakest part if a tyre) there is also a high possibility of a puncture occurring. In my opinion NR knew exactly what he was doing. He also knew exactly what he was doing when he reversed his car back towards the track in Monaco to cause a yellow flag.
The problem LH now faces is that with NR so far in front he may end up being on the receiving end of team orders, though with double points at the last race maybe not.
You can just see another Suzuka happening, either NR taking out LH to protect a slim lead, or LH taking out NR to give him the chance of winning. Or something in qualifying.


posted on 29/8/14

The problem LH now faces is that with NR so far in front he may end up being on the receiving end of team orders, though with double points at the last race maybe not.
You can just see another Suzuka happening, either NR taking out LH to protect a slim lead, or LH taking out NR to give him the chance of winning. Or something in qualifying.

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If team orders come into play I hope Hamilton carries them out.A very frustrated Rosberg in a much faster car carried out tean orders to the letter last season when Brawn told him to stay behind a very slow Hamilton when he had a car capable of catching if not passing the 2 redbulls in front

posted on 29/8/14

comment by martial artist (U9033)
posted 15 hours, 41 minutes ago
comment by phil neville has three left feet (U13806)
posted 5 hours, 35 minutes ago
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/motorsport/formulaone/lewishamilton/11060009/Lewis-Hamiltons-accusation-against-Nico-Rosberg-after-Belgian-Grand-Prix-the-latest-sign-of-persecution-complex.html

Pretty much on the money,someone who is not towing the British media line when it comes to all things Hamilton
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yeh i must admit hamilton is starting to come across as a bit weak minded and childish with his constant petulant whining and moaning about rosberg and what is even worse he is deliberately trying to drop his team mate in the cart by blubbering to anybody that will listen that rosberg took him out on purpose which as hamilton knows is garbage -

mind you this kind of behavior is nothing new from hamilton so people should now know what to expect from him when things are not going his way -

-------- fair play to rosberg he is matching hamilton for speed and ability and is camly getting on with the job in hand without all the blubbering and accusing that again brings into question hamiltons fragile character --

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Let me just analyse your comment here martial, which i take a few reservations from.

yeh i must admit hamilton is starting to come across as a bit weak minded and childish with his constant petulant whining and moaning
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What do you mean by weak minded - being gutted he hasnt managed to finish a race because of no fault of his own..... is that weak minded or a passion to win?

I dont understand the childish bit

he is deliberately trying to drop his team mate in the cart by blubbering to anybody that will listen that rosberg took him out on purpose which as hamilton knows is garbage -
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Hamilton didnt say he did it on purpose - Nico said that. However i agree, internal affairs shouldnt be publicised, but makes for a much more entertaining spectacle
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fair play to rosberg he is matching hamilton for speed and ability and is camly getting
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Matching hamilton for speed, is absolutely factually incorrect. Nothing you say will change my mind, so dont bother responding, just wanted to let you know i disagree.

Nico definetely isnt calmly getting on with it is he. He is "deliberately" putting his car in risky places to try and gain an advantage. Which has cost him points, his team points and his reputation. Quietly getting on with it would be, not hitting your team mate, settling for 2nd, or challenging further down the line. Not on lap 2.

Please also remember the media scrutiny on Lewis. He is british, so our media take more interest in what he says.

i will fully support the idea of saying to lewis, shut your mouth, let your racing do the talking, because you are clearly quicker and a better racer. You have nothing to prove. But im afraid your analysis, of Nico is as quick and lewis is always whining is a bit off the mark for me

posted on 29/8/14

Which F1 champ hasn't whined?
Think both of them are very talented, but Hamilton for me is above Rosberg.
I'm a Williams fan, so doesn't bother me who wins, just do it fairly.
And Rosberg has obviously let everyone down with his moment of mental weakness.

posted on 29/8/14

So Rosberg had now admitted fault and apologised for the accident.
All well and good but is he going to 'retire' in the next race to allow LH make up the extra 18 point deficit inflicted due to his 'error of judgement'?
Of course he isn't, the damage is done and I bet inside he is having a chuckle.

posted on 30/8/14

comment by BWFCCLEGG (U7583)
posted 21 hours, 4 minutes ago
comment by martial artist (U9033)
posted 15 hours, 41 minutes ago
comment by phil neville has three left feet (U13806)
posted 5 hours, 35 minutes ago
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/motorsport/formulaone/lewishamilton/11060009/Lewis-Hamiltons-accusation-against-Nico-Rosberg-after-Belgian-Grand-Prix-the-latest-sign-of-persecution-complex.html

Pretty much on the money,someone who is not towing the British media line when it comes to all things Hamilton
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yeh i must admit hamilton is starting to come across as a bit weak minded and childish with his constant petulant whining and moaning about rosberg and what is even worse he is deliberately trying to drop his team mate in the cart by blubbering to anybody that will listen that rosberg took him out on purpose which as hamilton knows is garbage -

mind you this kind of behavior is nothing new from hamilton so people should now know what to expect from him when things are not going his way -

-------- fair play to rosberg he is matching hamilton for speed and ability and is camly getting on with the job in hand without all the blubbering and accusing that again brings into question hamiltons fragile character --

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Let me just analyse your comment here martial, which i take a few reservations from.

yeh i must admit hamilton is starting to come across as a bit weak minded and childish with his constant petulant whining and moaning
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What do you mean by weak minded - being gutted he hasnt managed to finish a race because of no fault of his own..... is that weak minded or a passion to win?

I dont understand the childish bit

he is deliberately trying to drop his team mate in the cart by blubbering to anybody that will listen that rosberg took him out on purpose which as hamilton knows is garbage -
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Hamilton didnt say he did it on purpose - Nico said that. However i agree, internal affairs shouldnt be publicised, but makes for a much more entertaining spectacle
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fair play to rosberg he is matching hamilton for speed and ability and is camly getting
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Matching hamilton for speed, is absolutely factually incorrect. Nothing you say will change my mind, so dont bother responding, just wanted to let you know i disagree.

Nico definetely isnt calmly getting on with it is he. He is "deliberately" putting his car in risky places to try and gain an advantage. Which has cost him points, his team points and his reputation. Quietly getting on with it would be, not hitting your team mate, settling for 2nd, or challenging further down the line. Not on lap 2.

Please also remember the media scrutiny on Lewis. He is british, so our media take more interest in what he says.

i will fully support the idea of saying to lewis, shut your mouth, let your racing do the talking, because you are clearly quicker and a better racer. You have nothing to prove. But im afraid your analysis, of Nico is as quick and lewis is always whining is a bit off the mark for me


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does anybody apart from hamilton and hamiltons teenage fans really believe that rosberg is in a premeditated fashion deliberately going out on the track to cheat and ruin hamiltons races , it just does not happen like that in F1 and to my knowledge never has done -

for hamilton to suggest that rosberg is doing it is in my view typical hamilton petulance that at times comes across as just plain embarrassing to witness hence my comments --

and sorry from what i have seen so far this year there is very little between them in speed and ability with some evidence that rosbergs stronger mental character is starting to unravel lewis --

posted on 30/8/14

I seeing it differently. No, I don't believe he deliberately said, I'm going to puncture his tyre at high speed. Obviously too many variables.
But what he did to position the car carelessly, like a Rookie, was below his standards.
All the good drivers moan. People don't like Hamilton fine. He seems to get a lot of unnecessary vitriol.
But IMO Hamilton is by far the talented driver, and Rosberg stupid driving shows he's mentally weaker.
He didn't need to be there, he's talented enough, we've seen it. But there you go.

posted on 30/8/14

comment by martial artist (U9033)
posted 6 hours, 53 minutes ago
comment by BWFCCLEGG (U7583)
posted 21 hours, 4 minutes ago
comment by martial artist (U9033)
posted 15 hours, 41 minutes ago
comment by phil neville has three left feet (U13806)
posted 5 hours, 35 minutes ago
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/motorsport/formulaone/lewishamilton/11060009/Lewis-Hamiltons-accusation-against-Nico-Rosberg-after-Belgian-Grand-Prix-the-latest-sign-of-persecution-complex.html

Pretty much on the money,someone who is not towing the British media line when it comes to all things Hamilton
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yeh i must admit hamilton is starting to come across as a bit weak minded and childish with his constant petulant whining and moaning about rosberg and what is even worse he is deliberately trying to drop his team mate in the cart by blubbering to anybody that will listen that rosberg took him out on purpose which as hamilton knows is garbage -

mind you this kind of behavior is nothing new from hamilton so people should now know what to expect from him when things are not going his way -

-------- fair play to rosberg he is matching hamilton for speed and ability and is camly getting on with the job in hand without all the blubbering and accusing that again brings into question hamiltons fragile character --

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Let me just analyse your comment here martial, which i take a few reservations from.

yeh i must admit hamilton is starting to come across as a bit weak minded and childish with his constant petulant whining and moaning
------
What do you mean by weak minded - being gutted he hasnt managed to finish a race because of no fault of his own..... is that weak minded or a passion to win?

I dont understand the childish bit

he is deliberately trying to drop his team mate in the cart by blubbering to anybody that will listen that rosberg took him out on purpose which as hamilton knows is garbage -
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Hamilton didnt say he did it on purpose - Nico said that. However i agree, internal affairs shouldnt be publicised, but makes for a much more entertaining spectacle
--------------------------------
fair play to rosberg he is matching hamilton for speed and ability and is camly getting
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Matching hamilton for speed, is absolutely factually incorrect. Nothing you say will change my mind, so dont bother responding, just wanted to let you know i disagree.

Nico definetely isnt calmly getting on with it is he. He is "deliberately" putting his car in risky places to try and gain an advantage. Which has cost him points, his team points and his reputation. Quietly getting on with it would be, not hitting your team mate, settling for 2nd, or challenging further down the line. Not on lap 2.

Please also remember the media scrutiny on Lewis. He is british, so our media take more interest in what he says.

i will fully support the idea of saying to lewis, shut your mouth, let your racing do the talking, because you are clearly quicker and a better racer. You have nothing to prove. But im afraid your analysis, of Nico is as quick and lewis is always whining is a bit off the mark for me


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does anybody apart from hamilton and hamiltons teenage fans really believe that rosberg is in a premeditated fashion deliberately going out on the track to cheat and ruin hamiltons races , it just does not happen like that in F1 and to my knowledge never has done -

for hamilton to suggest that rosberg is doing it is in my view typical hamilton petulance that at times comes across as just plain embarrassing to witness hence my comments --

and sorry from what i have seen so far this year there is very little between them in speed and ability with some evidence that rosbergs stronger mental character is starting to unravel lewis --

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What have u seen to say rosbergs quicker

posted on 30/8/14

That telegraph article is a disgrace, what a pathetic excuse for journalism.

Hamilton has a persecution complex because someone hit him and he said so? My days, I do love the people who hate the guy.

They just show that their hatred for him is nothing to do with the sport because every single thing Hamilton does, whining, whinging, petulance, etc is displayed by every single driver on the grid.

Hamilton's however are always an issue, not the others

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