Just heard a brilliant interview with Tuffers & Vaughan on BBC radio 5live, it was radio at its best. 2 hours of honest forthright opinion & all sides of the argument. Vaughan laying into the leak culture at the ECB....they keep saying it will change, but doesn't. Vaughan then says that Strauss is the perfect appointment: what a joke. Said in the long term he's the right man and a perfect fit. Not sure I agree.
What's he going to be like when the Aussies are saying far worse to him this summer (sledging) ? Is he going to break down and cry?
Strauss has just proved he's a little cry baby and got no balls. Man up, put the past behind you and reinstate the best batsman in the country eligible to play for England or you're going to come off far worse in the long run if not.
When England get drubbed by NZ and then 5-0 in the ashes, all the pressure will be going one way.
Don't know who is right or wrong as we don't know the details but honestly admire the ecb stance
Good players think they are untouchable and this will set precedent that no you ain't.
Personally can't Stan Pietersen.
it doesn't really set a precedent though because there is total inconsistency in the ECB. the behaviour of certain players - such as swann and broad - over the past few years has gone totally unchecked. nothing was done. by all means have a hard line approach which rules out players based on behaviour regardless of ability, if yr going to apply those rules to everyone equally.
the main reason KP has been singled out is because he doesn't get on with a few of the old boys network and has dared to question coaches and fellow players in the past. the actions of the ECB and England have been like boarding school bullies refusing to let the outsider play.
Pieterson is a tool, who would destabilise the team and ultimately have a negative effect. He isnt getting sny younger, it's time to cut him out.
Cannot believe some England fans want rid of KP, best English batsman around currently. No England recall due to trust issues but offered an advisory role with ECB, yet some still admire ECB's stance. Would the trust issues vanish during his advisory role - had he accepted? Utter nonsense. The ECB are making a mockery of themselves.
but honestly admire the ecb stance
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Sorry you admire there stance??
They told KP that he if gave up his IPL contract and came back to county cricket and scored runs the slate would be wiped clean and he would be considered.
What they have now told KP that there is a trust issue so the slate has not been wiped clean they have basically migged him off and in the process hes now losts quite a bit of money for cancelling his IPL contract.
That IMO is not something to be admired of. Infact its quite embarrasing and deceitful.
What they should have told KP is that we have noticed you have scored quite a few runs already this season however we would like you to carry on scoring and we will consider you for selection if this form continues.
Boss, I couldn't have put it better myself!! The ECB have shown themselves up here there is absolutely no doubt about that.
And Brain - "KP is getting no younger" what a load of nonsense THAT is!! I guess you would have excluded Geoff Boycott at the age of 40 when he was STILL Englands best batsman would you?? KP is THE best batsman in the country, he should be in!!
Another thing - if I was Gillespie I wouldn't be chasing this England appointment if they promised me a salary commensurate with the England football manager!!
Why on earth would you want to inherit an England team rife of one of its best players, a player who is WORLD CLASS, to face off against arguably two teams in NZ and Oz who are playing really well - and who are laughing all the way now that KP isn't in the team.
I was thinking a 2-1 loss against the Aussies WITH KP. Now I am thinking its going to be five nil to the Aussies. And yet Strauss has been told thats ok, he will still have a job after it! Bully for him. And poor show to the people who have elected him because England will drop through these test rankings now
Just heard about KP on the news and thought I’d take a look at what the locals were saying. Well, what do I see, but my old mate Bantam strutting his stuff again? And here's me thinking they’d made a feather duster out of you after the last Ashes series mate
Even considering your propensity for hyperbole and the fact that you’re so often wrong, (I still get a laugh out of your “England’s Vastly Superior Batting” thread) I am staggered to read you hope your own country will lose by a large margin to both of your antipodean cousins in the one summer and that the only hope for the resurrection of English cricket you can see, is the appointment of an Aussie as coach. I’m glad I don’t have to share a trench with you when the chips are down.
As far as KP is concerned, however, we do certainly agree and don’t think for a moment that I am the only Aussie who is happy he won’t be smashing our bowlers to all parts as he has done so often previously.
While the easy money might be on Australia in The Ashes, I see a far closer series than many seem to think. In familiar conditions, and with the underdog tag hanging around their neck, your lads will have nothing to lose. If they get a sniff of victory early on, you might once again have egg on your face.
I’m sure your players will be giving it their all as I imagine none of them will want to be beaten at home. There will be no hiding on the other side of the world this summer or “swanning” off home when the going gets tough. And how much would Cook love to prove the naysayers wrong? You seem to have forgotten he can be bl**dy hard to get out when things are going his way.
Remember Mark Taylor’s team of 1989 being written off as “the worst ever” and what were Vaughn’s chances in 2005 before a ball had even been bowled? The wonderful unpredictability of The Ashes rivalry can turn around and bite those who boldly predict the outcome fair on the aris. Ask Beefy Botham after his disrespectful 10-0 sneer. Personally, I hope we see a close series decided on the final day.
By the way Falmaria, who is this Stan Pietersen? Can he bat?
Anyone else think Strauss is taking advice / asking advice from the likes of Atherton, hussain, beefy and so on? All were close and in general agreement with each other during sky commentaries.
I doubt Beefy, but possibly Atherton and Hussain. Im sure Botham would have in the team tomorrow if he could.
Seems pretty clear why Vaughan and Stewart ruled themselves out because they would have wanted Pietersen in
A new start for English cricket as the last regeim ended. In chaos.
Strauss stood his ground becuase he can't get over his last set to with KP.
KP has only himself to blame for missing out after his comments about Anderson and Broad in his book. The real idiot is Harrison for indulging KP so yet again it's the old farts destroying our chances.
In essence a lot as changed but it's business as usual down at the asylum.
The Aussies are laughing at us.
As Piers Morgan said "you don't not pick a player because you don't like him. You don't pick him if he isn't good enough.
Thrashing coming this summer!
Oh look its Tossie, no sorry Ozzie! Back here to remind us of a series we lost when we looked like winning before it commenced because we, ah, DID have vastly superior batting.
Anyway its good to see you have a good memory (by the way when WAS it Leeds actually appeared in a major cup final and beat the reigning premier champions? Must have been awhile, unlike a certain neighbour of yours!)
Yes I recall Beefy's taunt of 10-0. I ALSO recall a certain Glenn McGrath making EXACTLY the same prophecy in the 2005 and 2009 series. Eh, AND the last one over here as well as I recall! But I guess you conveniently FORGOT those Ozzie?
Anyway we are talking here on THIS thread about the imbecilic selectors so kindly do one and go back to chat to your daft L**ds mates, probably remembering times in the past that will never happen again eh? Ha ha ha
Pieterson has been fed to the sharks time and time again. He's the best English batsmen without a shadow of the doubt in the 21st century. He's made mistakes and has an ego but he's class, I think it's just because he's not actually English people enjoy turning on him!
comment by Shropshire White (U6130)
posted 5 hours, 20 minutes ago
I doubt Beefy, but possibly Atherton and Hussain. Im sure Botham would have in the team tomorrow if he could.
Seems pretty clear why Vaughan and Stewart ruled themselves out because they would have wanted Pietersen in
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Not Atherton judging by his column in the Times today
As a matter of fact there are two 21st century players (Ballance and Root) who currently have considerably higher averages than Pietersen and one other (Cook) who has only a fractionally lower average so while you can argue that Pietersen is England's best batsman of the 21st century, there are other candidates.
I think I'm right in saying that towards the end of his test career (if it has ended) his average was considerably lower than earlier in his career. IMAO, even setting aside the trust issue (important in team sports) picking a near 35-year old who on the face of it is past his best (in terms of test cricket which requires a different mindset to the shorter versions of the game) would be a backward step.
Personally, I'd pick him for the ODI and 20/20 sides but not the test team. That would give a chance for the wounds to heal (or not, as the case may be) and more time to assess if he's still up to test cricket. Somehow, I don't think Pietersen would go for that - he strikes me as an 'I want it all and I want it now' kind of guy - but that might just be my own personal prejudices showing through.
Proven that Cook is Strausses mistress, says Miss Cook it is either him or me. The logic on form should have been Pietersen, but there again Pietersen doesn't wave his hips as well.
what don't they trust KP to do ,score runs or offer his unwanted opinions
Cook and Strauss are a couple of rosy cheeked nancy boys who cant handle honest confrontation like men, they invent stories to create mystery ,when theres no difficulty understanding whats happening at all
comment by BigDuncsMum (U18651)
posted 3 hours, 58 minutes ago
Proven that Cook is Strausses mistress, says Miss Cook it is either him or me. The logic on form should have been Pietersen, but there again Pietersen doesn't wave his hips as well.
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Great Analysis lol..
The coverage of this rubbish is frankly unbelievable
KP this & KP that. It's been done so many times now. Basically he's a bad apple who has even been proven to offer advice to the opposition about how to get out England batsmen because he didn't like them!
Effectively a traitor!
England should have simply not renewed his contract but since when did one player hold the game to ransom
KP wants all things all ways and the ECB decided enough was enough
1 decent innings doesn't change that and neither should it. He's hardly given a case for inclusion, he's only really played one decent championship innings!
It's sickening the coverage been given to this nonsense. There is only one reason KP isn't part of things, it's himself! Why would any one have to continual make allowances for a player who clearly lost the respect of the dressing room a long long time ago. It's completely one sided egotistical madness & the media fools are pandering as usual. Time to shut up!
People are dying in the world. Things are happening and all we hear is this 'poor me' rubbish from a traitor who has been handsomely rewarded over many years as a cricketer with England despite been South African!
Aye, KP ain't a Saint, but England management and his teammates haven't come out aces either.
There's only one place he could potentially bat in the test team. And that would be at 4 ahead of Bell
Don't understand the public outcry behind why he wouldn't get selected. KP edges the averages by a couple of runs, buts it's hardly like they are picking cannon fodder ahead of him
Pieterson would fit in thusly : My side: Cook, Lyth, Ballance, Bell, Root, Pietersen, Buttler. Rashid, Brookes, Broad, Anderson
Yep, 5 Yorkshire players...which would kinda cripple the white rose county, but....needs must
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posted on 12/5/15
Just heard a brilliant interview with Tuffers & Vaughan on BBC radio 5live, it was radio at its best. 2 hours of honest forthright opinion & all sides of the argument. Vaughan laying into the leak culture at the ECB....they keep saying it will change, but doesn't. Vaughan then says that Strauss is the perfect appointment: what a joke. Said in the long term he's the right man and a perfect fit. Not sure I agree.
posted on 12/5/15
What's he going to be like when the Aussies are saying far worse to him this summer (sledging) ? Is he going to break down and cry?
Strauss has just proved he's a little cry baby and got no balls. Man up, put the past behind you and reinstate the best batsman in the country eligible to play for England or you're going to come off far worse in the long run if not.
When England get drubbed by NZ and then 5-0 in the ashes, all the pressure will be going one way.
posted on 12/5/15
Don't know who is right or wrong as we don't know the details but honestly admire the ecb stance
Good players think they are untouchable and this will set precedent that no you ain't.
Personally can't Stan Pietersen.
posted on 12/5/15
it doesn't really set a precedent though because there is total inconsistency in the ECB. the behaviour of certain players - such as swann and broad - over the past few years has gone totally unchecked. nothing was done. by all means have a hard line approach which rules out players based on behaviour regardless of ability, if yr going to apply those rules to everyone equally.
the main reason KP has been singled out is because he doesn't get on with a few of the old boys network and has dared to question coaches and fellow players in the past. the actions of the ECB and England have been like boarding school bullies refusing to let the outsider play.
posted on 13/5/15
Pieterson is a tool, who would destabilise the team and ultimately have a negative effect. He isnt getting sny younger, it's time to cut him out.
posted on 13/5/15
Cannot believe some England fans want rid of KP, best English batsman around currently. No England recall due to trust issues but offered an advisory role with ECB, yet some still admire ECB's stance. Would the trust issues vanish during his advisory role - had he accepted? Utter nonsense. The ECB are making a mockery of themselves.
posted on 13/5/15
but honestly admire the ecb stance
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Sorry you admire there stance??
They told KP that he if gave up his IPL contract and came back to county cricket and scored runs the slate would be wiped clean and he would be considered.
What they have now told KP that there is a trust issue so the slate has not been wiped clean they have basically migged him off and in the process hes now losts quite a bit of money for cancelling his IPL contract.
That IMO is not something to be admired of. Infact its quite embarrasing and deceitful.
What they should have told KP is that we have noticed you have scored quite a few runs already this season however we would like you to carry on scoring and we will consider you for selection if this form continues.
posted on 13/5/15
Boss, I couldn't have put it better myself!! The ECB have shown themselves up here there is absolutely no doubt about that.
And Brain - "KP is getting no younger" what a load of nonsense THAT is!! I guess you would have excluded Geoff Boycott at the age of 40 when he was STILL Englands best batsman would you?? KP is THE best batsman in the country, he should be in!!
posted on 13/5/15
Another thing - if I was Gillespie I wouldn't be chasing this England appointment if they promised me a salary commensurate with the England football manager!!
Why on earth would you want to inherit an England team rife of one of its best players, a player who is WORLD CLASS, to face off against arguably two teams in NZ and Oz who are playing really well - and who are laughing all the way now that KP isn't in the team.
I was thinking a 2-1 loss against the Aussies WITH KP. Now I am thinking its going to be five nil to the Aussies. And yet Strauss has been told thats ok, he will still have a job after it! Bully for him. And poor show to the people who have elected him because England will drop through these test rankings now
posted on 13/5/15
Just heard about KP on the news and thought I’d take a look at what the locals were saying. Well, what do I see, but my old mate Bantam strutting his stuff again? And here's me thinking they’d made a feather duster out of you after the last Ashes series mate
Even considering your propensity for hyperbole and the fact that you’re so often wrong, (I still get a laugh out of your “England’s Vastly Superior Batting” thread) I am staggered to read you hope your own country will lose by a large margin to both of your antipodean cousins in the one summer and that the only hope for the resurrection of English cricket you can see, is the appointment of an Aussie as coach. I’m glad I don’t have to share a trench with you when the chips are down.
As far as KP is concerned, however, we do certainly agree and don’t think for a moment that I am the only Aussie who is happy he won’t be smashing our bowlers to all parts as he has done so often previously.
While the easy money might be on Australia in The Ashes, I see a far closer series than many seem to think. In familiar conditions, and with the underdog tag hanging around their neck, your lads will have nothing to lose. If they get a sniff of victory early on, you might once again have egg on your face.
I’m sure your players will be giving it their all as I imagine none of them will want to be beaten at home. There will be no hiding on the other side of the world this summer or “swanning” off home when the going gets tough. And how much would Cook love to prove the naysayers wrong? You seem to have forgotten he can be bl**dy hard to get out when things are going his way.
Remember Mark Taylor’s team of 1989 being written off as “the worst ever” and what were Vaughn’s chances in 2005 before a ball had even been bowled? The wonderful unpredictability of The Ashes rivalry can turn around and bite those who boldly predict the outcome fair on the aris. Ask Beefy Botham after his disrespectful 10-0 sneer. Personally, I hope we see a close series decided on the final day.
By the way Falmaria, who is this Stan Pietersen? Can he bat?
posted on 13/5/15
Anyone else think Strauss is taking advice / asking advice from the likes of Atherton, hussain, beefy and so on? All were close and in general agreement with each other during sky commentaries.
posted on 13/5/15
I doubt Beefy, but possibly Atherton and Hussain. Im sure Botham would have in the team tomorrow if he could.
Seems pretty clear why Vaughan and Stewart ruled themselves out because they would have wanted Pietersen in
posted on 13/5/15
A new start for English cricket as the last regeim ended. In chaos.
Strauss stood his ground becuase he can't get over his last set to with KP.
KP has only himself to blame for missing out after his comments about Anderson and Broad in his book. The real idiot is Harrison for indulging KP so yet again it's the old farts destroying our chances.
In essence a lot as changed but it's business as usual down at the asylum.
posted on 13/5/15
The Aussies are laughing at us.
As Piers Morgan said "you don't not pick a player because you don't like him. You don't pick him if he isn't good enough.
Thrashing coming this summer!
posted on 13/5/15
Oh look its Tossie, no sorry Ozzie! Back here to remind us of a series we lost when we looked like winning before it commenced because we, ah, DID have vastly superior batting.
Anyway its good to see you have a good memory (by the way when WAS it Leeds actually appeared in a major cup final and beat the reigning premier champions? Must have been awhile, unlike a certain neighbour of yours!)
Yes I recall Beefy's taunt of 10-0. I ALSO recall a certain Glenn McGrath making EXACTLY the same prophecy in the 2005 and 2009 series. Eh, AND the last one over here as well as I recall! But I guess you conveniently FORGOT those Ozzie?
Anyway we are talking here on THIS thread about the imbecilic selectors so kindly do one and go back to chat to your daft L**ds mates, probably remembering times in the past that will never happen again eh? Ha ha ha
posted on 13/5/15
Pieterson has been fed to the sharks time and time again. He's the best English batsmen without a shadow of the doubt in the 21st century. He's made mistakes and has an ego but he's class, I think it's just because he's not actually English people enjoy turning on him!
posted on 13/5/15
comment by Shropshire White (U6130)
posted 5 hours, 20 minutes ago
I doubt Beefy, but possibly Atherton and Hussain. Im sure Botham would have in the team tomorrow if he could.
Seems pretty clear why Vaughan and Stewart ruled themselves out because they would have wanted Pietersen in
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Not Atherton judging by his column in the Times today
posted on 13/5/15
As a matter of fact there are two 21st century players (Ballance and Root) who currently have considerably higher averages than Pietersen and one other (Cook) who has only a fractionally lower average so while you can argue that Pietersen is England's best batsman of the 21st century, there are other candidates.
I think I'm right in saying that towards the end of his test career (if it has ended) his average was considerably lower than earlier in his career. IMAO, even setting aside the trust issue (important in team sports) picking a near 35-year old who on the face of it is past his best (in terms of test cricket which requires a different mindset to the shorter versions of the game) would be a backward step.
Personally, I'd pick him for the ODI and 20/20 sides but not the test team. That would give a chance for the wounds to heal (or not, as the case may be) and more time to assess if he's still up to test cricket. Somehow, I don't think Pietersen would go for that - he strikes me as an 'I want it all and I want it now' kind of guy - but that might just be my own personal prejudices showing through.
posted on 14/5/15
Proven that Cook is Strausses mistress, says Miss Cook it is either him or me. The logic on form should have been Pietersen, but there again Pietersen doesn't wave his hips as well.
posted on 14/5/15
what don't they trust KP to do ,score runs or offer his unwanted opinions
Cook and Strauss are a couple of rosy cheeked nancy boys who cant handle honest confrontation like men, they invent stories to create mystery ,when theres no difficulty understanding whats happening at all
posted on 14/5/15
comment by BigDuncsMum (U18651)
posted 3 hours, 58 minutes ago
Proven that Cook is Strausses mistress, says Miss Cook it is either him or me. The logic on form should have been Pietersen, but there again Pietersen doesn't wave his hips as well.
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Great Analysis lol..
posted on 15/5/15
The coverage of this rubbish is frankly unbelievable
KP this & KP that. It's been done so many times now. Basically he's a bad apple who has even been proven to offer advice to the opposition about how to get out England batsmen because he didn't like them!
Effectively a traitor!
England should have simply not renewed his contract but since when did one player hold the game to ransom
KP wants all things all ways and the ECB decided enough was enough
1 decent innings doesn't change that and neither should it. He's hardly given a case for inclusion, he's only really played one decent championship innings!
It's sickening the coverage been given to this nonsense. There is only one reason KP isn't part of things, it's himself! Why would any one have to continual make allowances for a player who clearly lost the respect of the dressing room a long long time ago. It's completely one sided egotistical madness & the media fools are pandering as usual. Time to shut up!
People are dying in the world. Things are happening and all we hear is this 'poor me' rubbish from a traitor who has been handsomely rewarded over many years as a cricketer with England despite been South African!
posted on 16/5/15
Aye, KP ain't a Saint, but England management and his teammates haven't come out aces either.
posted on 18/5/15
There's only one place he could potentially bat in the test team. And that would be at 4 ahead of Bell
Don't understand the public outcry behind why he wouldn't get selected. KP edges the averages by a couple of runs, buts it's hardly like they are picking cannon fodder ahead of him
posted on 19/5/15
Pieterson would fit in thusly : My side: Cook, Lyth, Ballance, Bell, Root, Pietersen, Buttler. Rashid, Brookes, Broad, Anderson
Yep, 5 Yorkshire players...which would kinda cripple the white rose county, but....needs must
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