OK Mandzukic just to name one. Joined Juve for about 15m
comment by renoog (U4449)
posted 32 seconds ago
OK Mandzukic just to name one. Joined Juve for about 15m
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In my view he is awful... Only my personal view.
comment by BIGIRISHGOONER (U8171)
posted 34 minutes ago
A quick, channel-running CF with good hold-up play and ball skills that can bring others into play and score 20 a season isn't really that much of an ask?
Now I'll be honest, I'm not one of these people who watches EVERY match from EVERY league on EVERY channel.
But that seems like a pretty outstanding singing to me - not a basic one.
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I can understand your point, but I think what he's saying is that having a good all-round, athletic striker could actually stretch teams and create more space and passing opportunities for our midfielders, which, in turn, could increase the quality of chances we create for our attackers - helping the striker and the team in general to score more.
The best example of this was Adebayor. His conversion rate of clear cut opportunities was actually pretty abysmal, but the fact that his athleticism, constant running, and aerial threat meant the team functioned better as a whole - making it easier to create chances for him, which resulted in him scoring 30 goals for us despite pretty poor finishing on his part.
He was never considered a 20-30 goal a season striker before that season, but playing the part in our system that he did allowed him and the rest of the team to flourish.
I don't think Giroud's a bad striker by any means - I think he's very good at what he does - but I'm not sure his style is suiting the players around him.
Speaking of Adebayor, I hear he's still knocking about ...
Isn't our issue at the moment conversion rate not chances created, we've only converted 2%, but we seem to have the most shots on goal,
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i think it was motd where there was a stat that we have created 54 chances but only scored 1 goal plus 2 og's.
comment by DaStuDogg (U9291)
posted 22 minutes ago
comment by BIGIRISHGOONER (U8171)
posted 34 minutes ago
A quick, channel-running CF with good hold-up play and ball skills that can bring others into play and score 20 a season isn't really that much of an ask?
Now I'll be honest, I'm not one of these people who watches EVERY match from EVERY league on EVERY channel.
But that seems like a pretty outstanding singing to me - not a basic one.
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I can understand your point, but I think what he's saying is that having a good all-round, athletic striker could actually stretch teams and create more space and passing opportunities for our midfielders, which, in turn, could increase the quality of chances we create for our attackers - helping the striker and the team in general to score more.
The best example of this was Adebayor. His conversion rate of clear cut opportunities was actually pretty abysmal, but the fact that his athleticism, constant running, and aerial threat meant the team functioned better as a whole - making it easier to create chances for him, which resulted in him scoring 30 goals for us despite pretty poor finishing on his part.
He was never considered a 20-30 goal a season striker before that season, but playing the part in our system that he did allowed him and the rest of the team to flourish.
I don't think Giroud's a bad striker by any means - I think he's very good at what he does - but I'm not sure his style is suiting the players around him.
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I get what you mean – but is Ade a good example of this?
He was certainly, big and strong, brought players into the game and ran the channels brilliantly.
But he’s only broken 20 in a season once ( he was unplayable that year )
Was that really a case of that particular player suiting that particular system?
Or was it a right place right time one off season?
I think sometimes people ( general, not specific ) don’t actually realise how hard it is to score goals at a decent level.
I’ve been hearing for years about how “ a decent striker would score 30 goals a season playing in this Arsenal team “ but it’s really not that simple.
If we bring someone in who runs the channels, holds the ball up and brings other people into play and scores 20 - we'll still hear about how we need a 30 goal a season striker.
If we bring someone in who runs the channels, holds the ball up and brings other people into play and scores 20 - we'll still hear about how we need a 30 goal a season striker.
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That is what I am saying....Most on this forum what someone who scores you 30 goals a season....
And why not? We used to have quite a few of them under Wenger. The club should never stop looking for ways to improve. I don't see how wanting a 30 goal-a-season striker is unreasonable. I myself think we can cope without one but it sure would make it a lot easier to challenge for top honours if we did.
When people say 30 goals, are they talking about PL goals or all comps?
I was referring to all comps
comment by BIGIRISHGOONER (U8171)
posted 1 hour, 9 minutes ago
comment by DaStuDogg (U9291)
posted 22 minutes ago
comment by BIGIRISHGOONER (U8171)
posted 34 minutes ago
A quick, channel-running CF with good hold-up play and ball skills that can bring others into play and score 20 a season isn't really that much of an ask?
Now I'll be honest, I'm not one of these people who watches EVERY match from EVERY league on EVERY channel.
But that seems like a pretty outstanding singing to me - not a basic one.
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I can understand your point, but I think what he's saying is that having a good all-round, athletic striker could actually stretch teams and create more space and passing opportunities for our midfielders, which, in turn, could increase the quality of chances we create for our attackers - helping the striker and the team in general to score more.
The best example of this was Adebayor. His conversion rate of clear cut opportunities was actually pretty abysmal, but the fact that his athleticism, constant running, and aerial threat meant the team functioned better as a whole - making it easier to create chances for him, which resulted in him scoring 30 goals for us despite pretty poor finishing on his part.
He was never considered a 20-30 goal a season striker before that season, but playing the part in our system that he did allowed him and the rest of the team to flourish.
I don't think Giroud's a bad striker by any means - I think he's very good at what he does - but I'm not sure his style is suiting the players around him.
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I get what you mean – but is Ade a good example of this?
He was certainly, big and strong, brought players into the game and ran the channels brilliantly.
But he’s only broken 20 in a season once ( he was unplayable that year )
Was that really a case of that particular player suiting that particular system?
Or was it a right place right time one off season?
I think sometimes people ( general, not specific ) don’t actually realise how hard it is to score goals at a decent level.
I’ve been hearing for years about how “ a decent striker would score 30 goals a season playing in this Arsenal team “ but it’s really not that simple.
If we bring someone in who runs the channels, holds the ball up and brings other people into play and scores 20 - we'll still hear about how we need a 30 goal a season striker.
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I chose the Adebayor example as it's most relevant to Arsenal. He's a strange case though in the sense that he's almost notorious now for working hard to establish himself and/or earn a new contract, before dropping off massively.
He displayed a great attacking work-rate in the 2007/2008 season, but after signing a 100k+ p/w deal to ward off potential suitors, his style became so much more phlegmatic that he basically lost everything that had made him so effective.
Tottenham fans have criticised him for a similar nosedive in work-rate (he scored more than a goal every other game when on loan, yet this dropped to one in five when they officially signed him).
This being said, I don't think it's unreasonable for fans of a club that wants to compete on all-fronts, with some exceptional creative talent in midfield, to ask for a striker that can score 20+ league goals and maybe 30+ in all competitions, and it's natural that fans will want their team to continually strive to improve if possible.
comment by renoog (U4449)
posted 1 hour, 26 minutes ago
And why not? We used to have quite a few of them under Wenger. The club should never stop looking for ways to improve. I don't see how wanting a 30 goal-a-season striker is unreasonable. I myself think we can cope without one but it sure would make it a lot easier to challenge for top honours if we did.
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Sorry - reading back through I realise I essentially just copied this point completely!
"Some people may think, ‘Oh he hasn’t touched the ball for 15 minutes’ but you’re moving all the time, taking players and creating space for team-mates.
"That’s what strikers need to do at times, not just to always come for the ball and lay it off.
"You need to stretch teams, which will give our midfielders more space, more opportunities and more goals. That’s what you want in the team."
Theo Walcott.
renoog (U4449)
posted 1 hour, 48 minutes ago
And why not? We used to have quite a few of them under Wenger. The club should never stop looking for ways to improve. I don't see how wanting a 30 goal-a-season striker is unreasonable.
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Wright and Henry aside, we've never really had a striker who will consistently score 30+ a season.
I'm pretty sure that they are the only 2 players to score 30 goals in a season for the club more than once.
As much as I'd love one, there aren't too many of them around and never have been.
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posted on 3/9/15
OK Mandzukic just to name one. Joined Juve for about 15m
posted on 3/9/15
comment by renoog (U4449)
posted 32 seconds ago
OK Mandzukic just to name one. Joined Juve for about 15m
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In my view he is awful... Only my personal view.
posted on 3/9/15
comment by BIGIRISHGOONER (U8171)
posted 34 minutes ago
A quick, channel-running CF with good hold-up play and ball skills that can bring others into play and score 20 a season isn't really that much of an ask?
Now I'll be honest, I'm not one of these people who watches EVERY match from EVERY league on EVERY channel.
But that seems like a pretty outstanding singing to me - not a basic one.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I can understand your point, but I think what he's saying is that having a good all-round, athletic striker could actually stretch teams and create more space and passing opportunities for our midfielders, which, in turn, could increase the quality of chances we create for our attackers - helping the striker and the team in general to score more.
The best example of this was Adebayor. His conversion rate of clear cut opportunities was actually pretty abysmal, but the fact that his athleticism, constant running, and aerial threat meant the team functioned better as a whole - making it easier to create chances for him, which resulted in him scoring 30 goals for us despite pretty poor finishing on his part.
He was never considered a 20-30 goal a season striker before that season, but playing the part in our system that he did allowed him and the rest of the team to flourish.
I don't think Giroud's a bad striker by any means - I think he's very good at what he does - but I'm not sure his style is suiting the players around him.
posted on 3/9/15
Speaking of Adebayor, I hear he's still knocking about ...
posted on 3/9/15
Isn't our issue at the moment conversion rate not chances created, we've only converted 2%, but we seem to have the most shots on goal,
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i think it was motd where there was a stat that we have created 54 chances but only scored 1 goal plus 2 og's.
posted on 3/9/15
comment by DaStuDogg (U9291)
posted 22 minutes ago
comment by BIGIRISHGOONER (U8171)
posted 34 minutes ago
A quick, channel-running CF with good hold-up play and ball skills that can bring others into play and score 20 a season isn't really that much of an ask?
Now I'll be honest, I'm not one of these people who watches EVERY match from EVERY league on EVERY channel.
But that seems like a pretty outstanding singing to me - not a basic one.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I can understand your point, but I think what he's saying is that having a good all-round, athletic striker could actually stretch teams and create more space and passing opportunities for our midfielders, which, in turn, could increase the quality of chances we create for our attackers - helping the striker and the team in general to score more.
The best example of this was Adebayor. His conversion rate of clear cut opportunities was actually pretty abysmal, but the fact that his athleticism, constant running, and aerial threat meant the team functioned better as a whole - making it easier to create chances for him, which resulted in him scoring 30 goals for us despite pretty poor finishing on his part.
He was never considered a 20-30 goal a season striker before that season, but playing the part in our system that he did allowed him and the rest of the team to flourish.
I don't think Giroud's a bad striker by any means - I think he's very good at what he does - but I'm not sure his style is suiting the players around him.
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I get what you mean – but is Ade a good example of this?
He was certainly, big and strong, brought players into the game and ran the channels brilliantly.
But he’s only broken 20 in a season once ( he was unplayable that year )
Was that really a case of that particular player suiting that particular system?
Or was it a right place right time one off season?
I think sometimes people ( general, not specific ) don’t actually realise how hard it is to score goals at a decent level.
I’ve been hearing for years about how “ a decent striker would score 30 goals a season playing in this Arsenal team “ but it’s really not that simple.
If we bring someone in who runs the channels, holds the ball up and brings other people into play and scores 20 - we'll still hear about how we need a 30 goal a season striker.
posted on 3/9/15
If we bring someone in who runs the channels, holds the ball up and brings other people into play and scores 20 - we'll still hear about how we need a 30 goal a season striker.
_____________
That is what I am saying....Most on this forum what someone who scores you 30 goals a season....
posted on 3/9/15
And why not? We used to have quite a few of them under Wenger. The club should never stop looking for ways to improve. I don't see how wanting a 30 goal-a-season striker is unreasonable. I myself think we can cope without one but it sure would make it a lot easier to challenge for top honours if we did.
posted on 3/9/15
When people say 30 goals, are they talking about PL goals or all comps?
posted on 3/9/15
I was referring to all comps
posted on 3/9/15
comment by BIGIRISHGOONER (U8171)
posted 1 hour, 9 minutes ago
comment by DaStuDogg (U9291)
posted 22 minutes ago
comment by BIGIRISHGOONER (U8171)
posted 34 minutes ago
A quick, channel-running CF with good hold-up play and ball skills that can bring others into play and score 20 a season isn't really that much of an ask?
Now I'll be honest, I'm not one of these people who watches EVERY match from EVERY league on EVERY channel.
But that seems like a pretty outstanding singing to me - not a basic one.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I can understand your point, but I think what he's saying is that having a good all-round, athletic striker could actually stretch teams and create more space and passing opportunities for our midfielders, which, in turn, could increase the quality of chances we create for our attackers - helping the striker and the team in general to score more.
The best example of this was Adebayor. His conversion rate of clear cut opportunities was actually pretty abysmal, but the fact that his athleticism, constant running, and aerial threat meant the team functioned better as a whole - making it easier to create chances for him, which resulted in him scoring 30 goals for us despite pretty poor finishing on his part.
He was never considered a 20-30 goal a season striker before that season, but playing the part in our system that he did allowed him and the rest of the team to flourish.
I don't think Giroud's a bad striker by any means - I think he's very good at what he does - but I'm not sure his style is suiting the players around him.
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I get what you mean – but is Ade a good example of this?
He was certainly, big and strong, brought players into the game and ran the channels brilliantly.
But he’s only broken 20 in a season once ( he was unplayable that year )
Was that really a case of that particular player suiting that particular system?
Or was it a right place right time one off season?
I think sometimes people ( general, not specific ) don’t actually realise how hard it is to score goals at a decent level.
I’ve been hearing for years about how “ a decent striker would score 30 goals a season playing in this Arsenal team “ but it’s really not that simple.
If we bring someone in who runs the channels, holds the ball up and brings other people into play and scores 20 - we'll still hear about how we need a 30 goal a season striker.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I chose the Adebayor example as it's most relevant to Arsenal. He's a strange case though in the sense that he's almost notorious now for working hard to establish himself and/or earn a new contract, before dropping off massively.
He displayed a great attacking work-rate in the 2007/2008 season, but after signing a 100k+ p/w deal to ward off potential suitors, his style became so much more phlegmatic that he basically lost everything that had made him so effective.
Tottenham fans have criticised him for a similar nosedive in work-rate (he scored more than a goal every other game when on loan, yet this dropped to one in five when they officially signed him).
This being said, I don't think it's unreasonable for fans of a club that wants to compete on all-fronts, with some exceptional creative talent in midfield, to ask for a striker that can score 20+ league goals and maybe 30+ in all competitions, and it's natural that fans will want their team to continually strive to improve if possible.
posted on 3/9/15
comment by renoog (U4449)
posted 1 hour, 26 minutes ago
And why not? We used to have quite a few of them under Wenger. The club should never stop looking for ways to improve. I don't see how wanting a 30 goal-a-season striker is unreasonable. I myself think we can cope without one but it sure would make it a lot easier to challenge for top honours if we did.
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Sorry - reading back through I realise I essentially just copied this point completely!
posted on 3/9/15
"Some people may think, ‘Oh he hasn’t touched the ball for 15 minutes’ but you’re moving all the time, taking players and creating space for team-mates.
"That’s what strikers need to do at times, not just to always come for the ball and lay it off.
"You need to stretch teams, which will give our midfielders more space, more opportunities and more goals. That’s what you want in the team."
Theo Walcott.
posted on 3/9/15
renoog (U4449)
posted 1 hour, 48 minutes ago
And why not? We used to have quite a few of them under Wenger. The club should never stop looking for ways to improve. I don't see how wanting a 30 goal-a-season striker is unreasonable.
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Wright and Henry aside, we've never really had a striker who will consistently score 30+ a season.
I'm pretty sure that they are the only 2 players to score 30 goals in a season for the club more than once.
As much as I'd love one, there aren't too many of them around and never have been.
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