Payet at West Ham seems to be doing well too. Can't understand how they managed to nab a player of his quality and no European competition level team across the continent got him.
Brilliant player would love to have him in our team
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Payet at West Ham seems to be doing well too. Can't understand how they managed to nab a player of his quality and no European competition level team across the continent got him.
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He hasn't even played half of a season; don't w@nk him off yet. Happens with several players (remember Ben Arfa?) before their form drops. He does look like a good player, but it's only been a few games.
Payet and Mahrez look great right now but it's only just October, would cost a club in the excess of 20m to pry them away right now and they ahvent done enough to prove that
Stats wise Ramsey looked like he was going in this direction. His performances are up and down at the moment and he's playing out of position so I still haven't given up on him
De Bruyne
This guy's done nothing in football compared to Ozil.
We're blessed to have Ozil at Arsenal. I expect rival fans to bash him out of jealousy, but Arsenal fans should show more gratitude.
Alexis is better than Aguero, all around, as well. Ox is super-talented, better than Navas & Sterling. Ramsey is a better CM than anything City have, now that Yaya is 33.
A lot of our problems are just down to Wenger.
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De Bruyne, yeah, this is a class buy.
got to admit that. classy player.
better than ozil imo. offers a lot more.
He hasn't even played half of a season; don't w@nk him off yet. Happens with several players (remember Ben Arfa?) before their form drops. He does look like a good player, but it's only been a few games.
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Ben Arfa's talent was potential world class level. He was very injury prone and had a disastrous attitude. Followed Payet at Ligue 1 and he always struck me as an underachiever with a lot of potential. He won't improve any top 4 team, but he can still do better than West Ham.
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Nah....not that he has the self-awareness to see it, but I'd leave it as it is. He's entitled to his opinion.
De Bruyne is not as creative as Ozil but not far behind and he's much more dynamic and scores a lot more, would swap them in a heartbeat.
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De Bruyne
This guy's done nothing in football compared to Ozil.
We're blessed to have Ozil at Arsenal. I expect rival fans to bash him out of jealousy, but Arsenal fans should show more gratitude.
Alexis is better than Aguero, all around, as well. Ox is super-talented, better than Navas & Sterling. Ramsey is a better CM than anything City have, now that Yaya is 33.
A lot of our problems are just down to Wenger.
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Yes, our fans obsession with slating Ozil over every performance is a bit ridiculous. Verging on the same embarrassing level as Man U fans who thought Di Maria was a fraud, which he clearly isn't, just didn't want to be at Man U. All the while people here bum Flamini and every flavor of the month, sub-par player from other clubs.
don't get it twisted, Ozil is a quality player.
very tough to get the ball from, but out of those two, i'd take Kevin.
De Bruyne is not as creative as Ozil but not far behind and he's much more dynamic and scores a lot more, would swap them in a heartbeat.
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I would as well. I remember getting ridiculed for saying I would have the dynamism of a player like Reus over Ozil's floating. I enjoyed Cazorla's role in his first season too. Having a no.10 who doesn't score goals is quite a limitation. The greatest no.10's in history: your Cruyffs and Maradonnas and Platinis and Zicos and Rivellinos were very prolific players. They weren't just there to tap the ball around.
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De Bruyne is not as creative as Ozil but not far behind and he's much more dynamic and scores a lot more, would swap them in a heartbeat.
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I would as well. I remember getting ridiculed for saying I would have the dynamism of a player like Reus over Ozil's floating. I enjoyed Cazorla's role in his first season too. Having a no.10 who doesn't score goals is quite a limitation. The greatest no.10's in history: your Cruyffs and Maradonnas and Platinis and Zicos and Rivellinos were very prolific players. They weren't just there to tap the ball around.
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Eh, Zidane? Didn't score bunch, did he? And he is the most recent best no 10. Additionally, No 10's have been pushed back to deep-lying play making. Would like Ozil to score more, but I don't see it as a limitation. His primary function is to create chances few make, such as the one Alexis headed in last week. As long as Arsenal's attackers convert these chances, Ozil scoring will become a moot point.
Eh, Zidane? Didn't score bunch, did he? And he is the most recent best no 10. Additionally, No 10's have been pushed back to deep-lying play making. Would like Ozil to score more, but I don't see it as a limitation. His primary function is to create chances few make, such as the one Alexis headed in last week. As long as Arsenal's attackers convert these chances, Ozil scoring will become a moot point.
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Zidane wasn't really a no.10. He was more of a CM. Ozil definitely plays a more advanced role than Zidane. Ozil's lack of goal threat is a limitation. To suggest otherwise is just being in denial. His primary role may be creative but he has to supplement that with more goals than he manages.
Especially when our strikers aren't 30 or 40-goal wonders.
Zidane was the same as Ozil against the smaller midtable sides. Both didn't score much, creative, made evrything look easy and technically above most players around him
The difference was Zidane was the ultimate big game player. He's scored winning goals in world cup and CL finals and always stepped up when it mattered. That's what made him who is. Ozil is the complete opposite in these big games
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Eh, Zidane? Didn't score bunch, did he? And he is the most recent best no 10. Additionally, No 10's have been pushed back to deep-lying play making. Would like Ozil to score more, but I don't see it as a limitation. His primary function is to create chances few make, such as the one Alexis headed in last week. As long as Arsenal's attackers convert these chances, Ozil scoring will become a moot point.
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Zidane wasn't really a no.10. He was more of a CM. Ozil definitely plays a more advanced role than Zidane. Ozil's lack of goal threat is a limitation. To suggest otherwise is just being in denial. His primary role may be creative but he has to supplement that with more goals than he manages.
Especially when our strikers aren't 30 or 40-goal wonders.
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How many top clubs without 30-40 goal wonders have consistently scoring no 10s? Bayern is an anomaly (they seem to have 4-5 different players scoring every week), and outside of Barca , PSG, and Real, what team has a consistent no10 scorer? Honest question, I can't think of one. Gundogan doesn't score often for Dortmund. And Zidane was definitely a no10; from Juve to France, he was the central cog in the midfield dictating play.
outside of Barca , PSG, and Real, what team has a consistent no10 scorer? Honest question, I can't think of one. Gundogan doesn't score often for Dortmund. And Zidane was definitely a no10; from Juve to France, he was the central cog in the midfield dictating play.
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Why outside those clubs? If Ozil is the world's best n0.10 as many of you claim, am I supposed to be comparing him to Sunderland players, rather than the best at the big clubs? Silva and De Bruyne got double figures last season. And "no.10" manipulates the argument. Many attacking midfielders are prolific. The likes of Reus, Hazard, Alexis etc score tons from all around attacking midfield.
Not sure why you keep comparing Ozil to Zidane. Other than the fact Zidane's role had far more in common with Xavi (or currently Cazorla) than Ozil, he got you goals when it mattered.
For me Zidane had much more in common with Bergkamp than any current player, especially at arsenal
"De Bruyne is not as creative as Ozil but not far behind and he's much more dynamic and scores a lot more, would swap them in a heartbeat."
Of course you would.
Nah Zidane was much more of an athlete than Bergkamp, CEG. That part of his game is very underrated.
Although I dont agree Zidane was like Cazorla or Xavi, Sheriff is right in saying he didn't play the same role as Ozil - at least at Real. At full strength it was always Ronaldo up top with Raul in behind. Although for France Zidane typically played the role Ozil does for us... to much greater effect, as he was a monster of an athlete.
Although I dont agree Zidane was like Cazorla or Xavi, Sheriff is right in saying he didn't play the same role as Ozil - at least at Real.
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I wasn't saying he played like Xavi or Cazorla. I was saying he has more in common with their style than Ozil.
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posted 13 minutes ago
outside of Barca , PSG, and Real, what team has a consistent no10 scorer? Honest question, I can't think of one. Gundogan doesn't score often for Dortmund. And Zidane was definitely a no10; from Juve to France, he was the central cog in the midfield dictating play.
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Why outside those clubs? If Ozil is the world's best n0.10 as many of you claim, am I supposed to be comparing him to Sunderland players, rather than the best at the big clubs? Silva and De Bruyne got double figures last season. And "no.10" manipulates the argument. Many attacking midfielders are prolific. The likes of Reus, Hazard, Alexis etc score tons from all around attacking midfield.
Not sure why you keep comparing Ozil to Zidane. Other than the fact Zidane's role had far more in common with Xavi (or currently Cazorla) than Ozil, he got you goals when it mattered.
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Not all attacking midfielders have the same role; Comparing the likes of Reus, Sanchez, and Hazard with Ozil is like me comparing Lewandowski with Ronaldo--yes both strikers, but they function quite differently in their teams, and one isn't nearly as a prolific of a scorer as the other. Zidane and Xavi didn't have the same role/play styles--Xavi was much more of a deep lying player alongside Iniesta and Busquets. And he wasn't a prolific scorer outside of free kicks, but he was one hell of a passer, playmaker, and dictator of the game, which is what I'd have Ozil turn into, someone who can dictate the flow of the game and creates chances for the team to convert. Why is this being brought up now? He has never been a goal scorer, neither for club nor country. Why slate him for something that isn't an integral part of his game, yet hasn't been a problem anywhere else except apparently at Arsenal?
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posted on 3/10/15
Payet at West Ham seems to be doing well too. Can't understand how they managed to nab a player of his quality and no European competition level team across the continent got him.
posted on 3/10/15
Brilliant player would love to have him in our team
posted on 3/10/15
comment by Sheriff John Brown - bring back David Dein (U7482)
posted 51 seconds ago
Payet at West Ham seems to be doing well too. Can't understand how they managed to nab a player of his quality and no European competition level team across the continent got him.
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He hasn't even played half of a season; don't w@nk him off yet. Happens with several players (remember Ben Arfa?) before their form drops. He does look like a good player, but it's only been a few games.
posted on 3/10/15
Payet and Mahrez look great right now but it's only just October, would cost a club in the excess of 20m to pry them away right now and they ahvent done enough to prove that
posted on 3/10/15
Stats wise Ramsey looked like he was going in this direction. His performances are up and down at the moment and he's playing out of position so I still haven't given up on him
posted on 3/10/15
De Bruyne
This guy's done nothing in football compared to Ozil.
We're blessed to have Ozil at Arsenal. I expect rival fans to bash him out of jealousy, but Arsenal fans should show more gratitude.
Alexis is better than Aguero, all around, as well. Ox is super-talented, better than Navas & Sterling. Ramsey is a better CM than anything City have, now that Yaya is 33.
A lot of our problems are just down to Wenger.
posted on 3/10/15
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posted on 3/10/15
De Bruyne, yeah, this is a class buy.
got to admit that. classy player.
better than ozil imo. offers a lot more.
posted on 3/10/15
He hasn't even played half of a season; don't w@nk him off yet. Happens with several players (remember Ben Arfa?) before their form drops. He does look like a good player, but it's only been a few games.
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Ben Arfa's talent was potential world class level. He was very injury prone and had a disastrous attitude. Followed Payet at Ligue 1 and he always struck me as an underachiever with a lot of potential. He won't improve any top 4 team, but he can still do better than West Ham.
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Nah....not that he has the self-awareness to see it, but I'd leave it as it is. He's entitled to his opinion.
posted on 3/10/15
De Bruyne is not as creative as Ozil but not far behind and he's much more dynamic and scores a lot more, would swap them in a heartbeat.
posted on 3/10/15
comment by #LiquidGenius (U20571)
posted 1 minute ago
De Bruyne
This guy's done nothing in football compared to Ozil.
We're blessed to have Ozil at Arsenal. I expect rival fans to bash him out of jealousy, but Arsenal fans should show more gratitude.
Alexis is better than Aguero, all around, as well. Ox is super-talented, better than Navas & Sterling. Ramsey is a better CM than anything City have, now that Yaya is 33.
A lot of our problems are just down to Wenger.
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Yes, our fans obsession with slating Ozil over every performance is a bit ridiculous. Verging on the same embarrassing level as Man U fans who thought Di Maria was a fraud, which he clearly isn't, just didn't want to be at Man U. All the while people here bum Flamini and every flavor of the month, sub-par player from other clubs.
posted on 3/10/15
don't get it twisted, Ozil is a quality player.
very tough to get the ball from, but out of those two, i'd take Kevin.
posted on 3/10/15
De Bruyne is not as creative as Ozil but not far behind and he's much more dynamic and scores a lot more, would swap them in a heartbeat.
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I would as well. I remember getting ridiculed for saying I would have the dynamism of a player like Reus over Ozil's floating. I enjoyed Cazorla's role in his first season too. Having a no.10 who doesn't score goals is quite a limitation. The greatest no.10's in history: your Cruyffs and Maradonnas and Platinis and Zicos and Rivellinos were very prolific players. They weren't just there to tap the ball around.
posted on 3/10/15
comment by Sheriff John Brown - bring back David Dein (U7482)
posted 3 minutes ago
De Bruyne is not as creative as Ozil but not far behind and he's much more dynamic and scores a lot more, would swap them in a heartbeat.
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I would as well. I remember getting ridiculed for saying I would have the dynamism of a player like Reus over Ozil's floating. I enjoyed Cazorla's role in his first season too. Having a no.10 who doesn't score goals is quite a limitation. The greatest no.10's in history: your Cruyffs and Maradonnas and Platinis and Zicos and Rivellinos were very prolific players. They weren't just there to tap the ball around.
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Eh, Zidane? Didn't score bunch, did he? And he is the most recent best no 10. Additionally, No 10's have been pushed back to deep-lying play making. Would like Ozil to score more, but I don't see it as a limitation. His primary function is to create chances few make, such as the one Alexis headed in last week. As long as Arsenal's attackers convert these chances, Ozil scoring will become a moot point.
posted on 3/10/15
Eh, Zidane? Didn't score bunch, did he? And he is the most recent best no 10. Additionally, No 10's have been pushed back to deep-lying play making. Would like Ozil to score more, but I don't see it as a limitation. His primary function is to create chances few make, such as the one Alexis headed in last week. As long as Arsenal's attackers convert these chances, Ozil scoring will become a moot point.
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Zidane wasn't really a no.10. He was more of a CM. Ozil definitely plays a more advanced role than Zidane. Ozil's lack of goal threat is a limitation. To suggest otherwise is just being in denial. His primary role may be creative but he has to supplement that with more goals than he manages.
Especially when our strikers aren't 30 or 40-goal wonders.
posted on 3/10/15
Zidane was the same as Ozil against the smaller midtable sides. Both didn't score much, creative, made evrything look easy and technically above most players around him
The difference was Zidane was the ultimate big game player. He's scored winning goals in world cup and CL finals and always stepped up when it mattered. That's what made him who is. Ozil is the complete opposite in these big games
posted on 3/10/15
comment by Sheriff John Brown - bring back David Dein (U7482)
posted 4 minutes ago
Eh, Zidane? Didn't score bunch, did he? And he is the most recent best no 10. Additionally, No 10's have been pushed back to deep-lying play making. Would like Ozil to score more, but I don't see it as a limitation. His primary function is to create chances few make, such as the one Alexis headed in last week. As long as Arsenal's attackers convert these chances, Ozil scoring will become a moot point.
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Zidane wasn't really a no.10. He was more of a CM. Ozil definitely plays a more advanced role than Zidane. Ozil's lack of goal threat is a limitation. To suggest otherwise is just being in denial. His primary role may be creative but he has to supplement that with more goals than he manages.
Especially when our strikers aren't 30 or 40-goal wonders.
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How many top clubs without 30-40 goal wonders have consistently scoring no 10s? Bayern is an anomaly (they seem to have 4-5 different players scoring every week), and outside of Barca , PSG, and Real, what team has a consistent no10 scorer? Honest question, I can't think of one. Gundogan doesn't score often for Dortmund. And Zidane was definitely a no10; from Juve to France, he was the central cog in the midfield dictating play.
posted on 3/10/15
outside of Barca , PSG, and Real, what team has a consistent no10 scorer? Honest question, I can't think of one. Gundogan doesn't score often for Dortmund. And Zidane was definitely a no10; from Juve to France, he was the central cog in the midfield dictating play.
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Why outside those clubs? If Ozil is the world's best n0.10 as many of you claim, am I supposed to be comparing him to Sunderland players, rather than the best at the big clubs? Silva and De Bruyne got double figures last season. And "no.10" manipulates the argument. Many attacking midfielders are prolific. The likes of Reus, Hazard, Alexis etc score tons from all around attacking midfield.
Not sure why you keep comparing Ozil to Zidane. Other than the fact Zidane's role had far more in common with Xavi (or currently Cazorla) than Ozil, he got you goals when it mattered.
posted on 3/10/15
For me Zidane had much more in common with Bergkamp than any current player, especially at arsenal
posted on 3/10/15
"De Bruyne is not as creative as Ozil but not far behind and he's much more dynamic and scores a lot more, would swap them in a heartbeat."
Of course you would.
posted on 3/10/15
Nah Zidane was much more of an athlete than Bergkamp, CEG. That part of his game is very underrated.
Although I dont agree Zidane was like Cazorla or Xavi, Sheriff is right in saying he didn't play the same role as Ozil - at least at Real. At full strength it was always Ronaldo up top with Raul in behind. Although for France Zidane typically played the role Ozil does for us... to much greater effect, as he was a monster of an athlete.
posted on 3/10/15
Although I dont agree Zidane was like Cazorla or Xavi, Sheriff is right in saying he didn't play the same role as Ozil - at least at Real.
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I wasn't saying he played like Xavi or Cazorla. I was saying he has more in common with their style than Ozil.
posted on 3/10/15
comment by Sheriff John Brown - bring back David Dein (U7482)
posted 13 minutes ago
outside of Barca , PSG, and Real, what team has a consistent no10 scorer? Honest question, I can't think of one. Gundogan doesn't score often for Dortmund. And Zidane was definitely a no10; from Juve to France, he was the central cog in the midfield dictating play.
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Why outside those clubs? If Ozil is the world's best n0.10 as many of you claim, am I supposed to be comparing him to Sunderland players, rather than the best at the big clubs? Silva and De Bruyne got double figures last season. And "no.10" manipulates the argument. Many attacking midfielders are prolific. The likes of Reus, Hazard, Alexis etc score tons from all around attacking midfield.
Not sure why you keep comparing Ozil to Zidane. Other than the fact Zidane's role had far more in common with Xavi (or currently Cazorla) than Ozil, he got you goals when it mattered.
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Not all attacking midfielders have the same role; Comparing the likes of Reus, Sanchez, and Hazard with Ozil is like me comparing Lewandowski with Ronaldo--yes both strikers, but they function quite differently in their teams, and one isn't nearly as a prolific of a scorer as the other. Zidane and Xavi didn't have the same role/play styles--Xavi was much more of a deep lying player alongside Iniesta and Busquets. And he wasn't a prolific scorer outside of free kicks, but he was one hell of a passer, playmaker, and dictator of the game, which is what I'd have Ozil turn into, someone who can dictate the flow of the game and creates chances for the team to convert. Why is this being brought up now? He has never been a goal scorer, neither for club nor country. Why slate him for something that isn't an integral part of his game, yet hasn't been a problem anywhere else except apparently at Arsenal?
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