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I think FFP will restrict what Forest can do manager wise I would have thought. Would cost a fair bit to release DF and his staff. Wonder whether Pearson would want to deal with foreign owners again after Fester's lot.
comment by Will Scarlet (U17891)
posted 36 minutes ago
I think FFP will restrict what Forest can do manager wise I would have thought. Would cost a fair bit to release DF and his staff. Wonder whether Pearson would want to deal with foreign owners again after Fester's lot.
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Hear what you are saying with regards to FFP Will, don’t have a clue as to the finer working of it & this is more a question than a statement, if we trimmed the squad to the bone, returning some loan players, looking at medical retirements (insurance covered), selling players in upcoming window etc, maybe the books could be balanced sufficiently to allow us to interest NP ?
As far as dealing with foreign owners is concerned, I would my last $ that Pearson would demand a contract that was very much in his favour & covered all his bases. He would also have to be the sole decision maker as to just who went & who stayed.
He probably would only be willing to sign a short term contract.
Drastic action you could say, I would agree, but we are heading fast into drastic times …. I just don’t think we can keep burying our heads in the sand
I'd cancel Ebecillio's loan deal straight away!
I think Pearson would absolutely work with foreign owners again, given that our lot stuck with him through a 14 match winless run and let him get away with absolute murder including banning local journalists, grappling with opposition players and insulting interviewers on a regular basis.
The fact he tried to keep his utterly talentless son on the books after he had been involved in a Thai prostitute incident and STILL remains bitter over losing his job is pretty incredible.
There's no doubt he would give forest a lift, he's a good manager, the players give everything for him but he wouldn't be anywhere near as successful as he was at Leicester without bringing Steve Walsh.
Walsh was the one who scouted Mahrez, Vardy, Drinkwater etc. Even if Pearson could get along with someone like Fawaz which is pretty unlikely, without Walsh and Shakespeare you wouldn't be getting the same package.
Definitely a very good manager at this level though
not before you've run it by NP
comment by BlackStarr (U12353)
posted 9 minutes ago
I think Pearson would absolutely work with foreign owners again, given that our lot stuck with him through a 14 match winless run and let him get away with absolute murder including banning local journalists, grappling with opposition players and insulting interviewers on a regular basis.
The fact he tried to keep his utterly talentless son on the books after he had been involved in a Thai prostitute incident and STILL remains bitter over losing his job is pretty incredible.
There's no doubt he would give forest a lift, he's a good manager, the players give everything for him but he wouldn't be anywhere near as successful as he was at Leicester without bringing Steve Walsh.
Walsh was the one who scouted Mahrez, Vardy, Drinkwater etc. Even if Pearson could get along with someone like Fawaz which is pretty unlikely, without Walsh and Shakespeare you wouldn't be getting the same package.
Definitely a very good manager at this level though
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Coming from you Blackstarr that was an uncharacteristic attempt at character assassination. Football is a great game & stirs some tremendous emotions, I am going to respectfully suggest that such emotions, justifiable or not, have caused you to have a little bit of a rant about a man who is not on your Christmas card list
With Pearson, I cannot help but to think back to the game that we beat them 5-1. He acted like a right d ick that day.
He took Fryatt and Kermorgant off within the first 1/2 hour or so, just to make a point. They were 2-0 down at the time and he just lost it.
Yeah fair enough belper, his character aside, he is a very good manager at this level - but only with Walsh and Shakespeare behind him.
If Forest got all 3 then you would be in the prem within 3 years IMO. I can't see that happening though and Pearson without Walsh behind him is unproven in the long term.
Realistically there is no way he would tolerate Fawaz, like Davies he needs to have complete control.
First of all let me say Pearson would be a disaster, but thankfully it ain't gonna happen, so forget it. (Thanks Blackstarr for reminding everybody of Pearson's 14 game winless streak. Blimey Dougie only went eight and people were calling for the axe.)
Now, Belper, you say our problem is not winning games. Wrong - the problem is we are badly run. Fawaz tries to do everything or at least be involved in everything, and does it badly at times. The club does not appear to have a proper structure. Occasionally, Fawaz will appoint someone and it looks like a step in the right direction but then they are gone - Leon Hunter, Paul Faulkner.
Until we have a proper structure, together with a philosophy, and a plan we will continue to bumble along probably along a slow decline.
Most of us accepted that this season would be one of survival. That is still the case. let's get through to May with Dougie and out of the embargo and go again.
The squad will need to be reassessed, several will be leaving both loanees and contract players. So yet again we will have a squad which will need time to gel. It is going to be a long time before the club is established again as one that is well run and competitive.
" you don’t become as wealthy as he is without one hell of brain"
Not necessarily
comment by Redfor50yrs (U2973)
posted 7 minutes ago
First of all let me say Pearson would be a disaster, but thankfully it ain't gonna happen, so forget it. (Thanks Blackstarr for reminding everybody of Pearson's 14 game winless streak. Blimey Dougie only went eight and people were calling for the axe.)
Now, Belper, you say our problem is not winning games. Wrong - the problem is we are badly run. Fawaz tries to do everything or at least be involved in everything, and does it badly at times. The club does not appear to have a proper structure. Occasionally, Fawaz will appoint someone and it looks like a step in the right direction but then they are gone - Leon Hunter, Paul Faulkner.
Until we have a proper structure, together with a philosophy, and a plan we will continue to bumble along probably along a slow decline.
Most of us accepted that this season would be one of survival. That is still the case. let's get through to May with Dougie and out of the embargo and go again.
The squad will need to be reassessed, several will be leaving both loanees and contract players. So yet again we will have a squad which will need time to gel. It is going to be a long time before the club is established again as one that is well run and competitive.
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Exactly!
Fawaz is six years younger than the company that has made the fortune
"Dating back half a century ago, in an era when pearl diving was a common norm, Abdulkarim Hasan Alhasawi established the Alhasawi Group of Companies in 1962. The discovery of oil ignited an economic boom in Kuwait, and ever since the Alhasawi Group has ridden on multiple waves of success. Starting from humble beginnings as a small repair and installation store in downtown Kuwait, the Alhasawi Group has broadened its scope to become a leading multinational company."
Fawaz would have been five when this particular company was set-up....
"Fawaz Refrigeration and Air-Conditioning Company was incorporated in 1973 as an Electro-Mechanical Contracting Company in Kuwait under the dynamic leadership of founder chairman Late Mr. Mubarak Abdul Aziz Al Hassawi. Fawaz Group has three main lines of business - Contracting, Trading & Facilities Management. "
The biggest problem, on the field, we have at the moment is obvious we simply can't score. The forwards we have fit are not up to it.
Good points, Ray. Fawaz has had all the dosh handed to him on a plate. Nothing wrong with that but I don't buy it that he's some tycoon who has his finger on the pulse as the evidence suggests otherwise.
Agree with BS that Pearson wouldn't be half the manager without his back room staff. Remember recent Forest managers having to work with previous staff. It never worked. Rob Kelly for example seemed to lead a charmed life! With FFP restrictions I can't see Forest being able to afford it.
I think you do Pearson down a little. What was his overall record at Leicester?
In terms of the short term "on the pitch issues", we all know that we're having more shots than most teams but in the bottom 2 or 3 in terms of scoring. Oliveria in particular has been having lots of shots around the edge of the box and not finding much joy.
So far he has scored two, one being an edge of the box effort against Derby and the other being put in and being through against QPR.
I have seen a fair amount of people suggest the fact the strikers are not scoring is beyond anything the manager can improve under the embargo and it doesn't quite fit with me. While he can't suddenly magic up a goal scoring instinct, they can work on things, change where and when we shoot etc.
Then I recalled this from after the Derby game and it goes a fair well to explain Oilveria's shoot on site policy that isn't proving to be very fruitful (one goal so far from this type of effort).
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Forest boss Freedman had been encouraging match-winner Nelson Oliveira to have the courage to maintain his shoot on sight policy, despite the lack of goals from the Portuguese front man, who had not found the net since his debut goal at QPR in September.
Oliveira (3.4) has averaged the second most shots per game in the Championship – beaten only by Reading's Nick Blackman (3.7) – and Freedman has been working to maintain his confidence levels in front of goal, to ensure he maintained that willingness to pull the trigger.
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Fair points Ray, business acumen is not passed genetically. He has the money, he just needs to get someone in to run the club as a sporting business, and resist the urge to tinker, which to be fair he has resisted since sacking SP. It takes time to build a club up, and DF is doing a fair enough job under the circumstances and you will be good enough to stay up. Pearson's stock is still high enough that he does not yet need to dip back in the championship, there will be a struggling Prem club chairman who will push the panic button soon enough, and I expect he is holding out for that.
You're probably right, Wicklow. I wouldn't be looking at Forest as an enticing prospect at this moment in time. The odds would be stacked against a new manager, as they are against DF. Pearson won't want another minefield situation developing against him following his travails down the A46.
I don't know what more Fawaz has to do to convince Forest fans of his utter incompetence. The best anyone can say about him is that his heart is in the right place and to cling on to the hope that he will learn from previous mistakes. The plain fact is he hasn't a clue. The loyalty to Fawaz seems to be fear that Forest will go under if he pulls out his cash but meanwhile the club goes steadily backwards and each successive manager appointed by Fawaz carries the can despite him failing to provide any sort of structure or stability for the manager to work under. It's clear that he will never relinquish the reigns or to allow anyone any kind of authority to run HIS club. Meanwhile he is just hoping to strike lucky, that the latest name plucked from the list of unemployed managers will produce a miraculous turnaround.
The question is how to persuade him to go. Fan protests against him would probably do it because he needs to feel loved and has previously over-reacted to any sort of dissent on Twitter. Then the difficulty is finding anyone to take over the mess he has created and of course there is no guarantee that the next one will be any less useless. Things could end up even worse. It's a pickle and no mistake.
"I don't know what more Fawaz has to do to convince Forest fans of his utter incompetence."
The fan base is pretty split, I don't know if you are deliberately implying that most fans are behind him but the word "some" or even "many" would have been better.
Do the fans want Fawaz to go or to they want him to hand over the running of the club to someone with experience of doing that.
Myself I'm in the latter group. Better the devil you know. I remember when we had a bunch of cockney spivs running the club; I wouldn't want to go back to those days.
I remember BC's last season when we went down, we were in a similar position back then too, battering teams, not scoring, then losing against teams that scored with their only shots on goal.
I looked at the table after the game on Saturday, and we may have to rely on 3 teams being worse than us, Rotherham, MK Dons and someone else. Bolton are bottom, but I expect them to get out of it somehow, so that leaves Bristol, Huddersfield and maybe Charlton and Preston.
I'm hoping that the more games Oliveira plays, the more he'll understand the Championship, and then maybe he'll start scoring, because he is a decent enough player. I'd have played Walker a lot more for the same reason, because I think he could eventually be useful in this league.
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posted on 22/11/15
The only alternative to D.F is N.L.N.
posted on 22/11/15
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posted on 22/11/15
I think FFP will restrict what Forest can do manager wise I would have thought. Would cost a fair bit to release DF and his staff. Wonder whether Pearson would want to deal with foreign owners again after Fester's lot.
posted on 22/11/15
comment by Will Scarlet (U17891)
posted 36 minutes ago
I think FFP will restrict what Forest can do manager wise I would have thought. Would cost a fair bit to release DF and his staff. Wonder whether Pearson would want to deal with foreign owners again after Fester's lot.
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Hear what you are saying with regards to FFP Will, don’t have a clue as to the finer working of it & this is more a question than a statement, if we trimmed the squad to the bone, returning some loan players, looking at medical retirements (insurance covered), selling players in upcoming window etc, maybe the books could be balanced sufficiently to allow us to interest NP ?
As far as dealing with foreign owners is concerned, I would my last $ that Pearson would demand a contract that was very much in his favour & covered all his bases. He would also have to be the sole decision maker as to just who went & who stayed.
He probably would only be willing to sign a short term contract.
Drastic action you could say, I would agree, but we are heading fast into drastic times …. I just don’t think we can keep burying our heads in the sand
posted on 22/11/15
I'd cancel Ebecillio's loan deal straight away!
posted on 22/11/15
I think Pearson would absolutely work with foreign owners again, given that our lot stuck with him through a 14 match winless run and let him get away with absolute murder including banning local journalists, grappling with opposition players and insulting interviewers on a regular basis.
The fact he tried to keep his utterly talentless son on the books after he had been involved in a Thai prostitute incident and STILL remains bitter over losing his job is pretty incredible.
There's no doubt he would give forest a lift, he's a good manager, the players give everything for him but he wouldn't be anywhere near as successful as he was at Leicester without bringing Steve Walsh.
Walsh was the one who scouted Mahrez, Vardy, Drinkwater etc. Even if Pearson could get along with someone like Fawaz which is pretty unlikely, without Walsh and Shakespeare you wouldn't be getting the same package.
Definitely a very good manager at this level though
posted on 22/11/15
not before you've run it by NP
posted on 23/11/15
comment by BlackStarr (U12353)
posted 9 minutes ago
I think Pearson would absolutely work with foreign owners again, given that our lot stuck with him through a 14 match winless run and let him get away with absolute murder including banning local journalists, grappling with opposition players and insulting interviewers on a regular basis.
The fact he tried to keep his utterly talentless son on the books after he had been involved in a Thai prostitute incident and STILL remains bitter over losing his job is pretty incredible.
There's no doubt he would give forest a lift, he's a good manager, the players give everything for him but he wouldn't be anywhere near as successful as he was at Leicester without bringing Steve Walsh.
Walsh was the one who scouted Mahrez, Vardy, Drinkwater etc. Even if Pearson could get along with someone like Fawaz which is pretty unlikely, without Walsh and Shakespeare you wouldn't be getting the same package.
Definitely a very good manager at this level though
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Coming from you Blackstarr that was an uncharacteristic attempt at character assassination. Football is a great game & stirs some tremendous emotions, I am going to respectfully suggest that such emotions, justifiable or not, have caused you to have a little bit of a rant about a man who is not on your Christmas card list
posted on 23/11/15
With Pearson, I cannot help but to think back to the game that we beat them 5-1. He acted like a right d ick that day.
He took Fryatt and Kermorgant off within the first 1/2 hour or so, just to make a point. They were 2-0 down at the time and he just lost it.
posted on 23/11/15
Yeah fair enough belper, his character aside, he is a very good manager at this level - but only with Walsh and Shakespeare behind him.
If Forest got all 3 then you would be in the prem within 3 years IMO. I can't see that happening though and Pearson without Walsh behind him is unproven in the long term.
Realistically there is no way he would tolerate Fawaz, like Davies he needs to have complete control.
posted on 23/11/15
First of all let me say Pearson would be a disaster, but thankfully it ain't gonna happen, so forget it. (Thanks Blackstarr for reminding everybody of Pearson's 14 game winless streak. Blimey Dougie only went eight and people were calling for the axe.)
Now, Belper, you say our problem is not winning games. Wrong - the problem is we are badly run. Fawaz tries to do everything or at least be involved in everything, and does it badly at times. The club does not appear to have a proper structure. Occasionally, Fawaz will appoint someone and it looks like a step in the right direction but then they are gone - Leon Hunter, Paul Faulkner.
Until we have a proper structure, together with a philosophy, and a plan we will continue to bumble along probably along a slow decline.
Most of us accepted that this season would be one of survival. That is still the case. let's get through to May with Dougie and out of the embargo and go again.
The squad will need to be reassessed, several will be leaving both loanees and contract players. So yet again we will have a squad which will need time to gel. It is going to be a long time before the club is established again as one that is well run and competitive.
posted on 23/11/15
" you don’t become as wealthy as he is without one hell of brain"
Not necessarily
posted on 23/11/15
comment by Redfor50yrs (U2973)
posted 7 minutes ago
First of all let me say Pearson would be a disaster, but thankfully it ain't gonna happen, so forget it. (Thanks Blackstarr for reminding everybody of Pearson's 14 game winless streak. Blimey Dougie only went eight and people were calling for the axe.)
Now, Belper, you say our problem is not winning games. Wrong - the problem is we are badly run. Fawaz tries to do everything or at least be involved in everything, and does it badly at times. The club does not appear to have a proper structure. Occasionally, Fawaz will appoint someone and it looks like a step in the right direction but then they are gone - Leon Hunter, Paul Faulkner.
Until we have a proper structure, together with a philosophy, and a plan we will continue to bumble along probably along a slow decline.
Most of us accepted that this season would be one of survival. That is still the case. let's get through to May with Dougie and out of the embargo and go again.
The squad will need to be reassessed, several will be leaving both loanees and contract players. So yet again we will have a squad which will need time to gel. It is going to be a long time before the club is established again as one that is well run and competitive.
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Exactly!
posted on 23/11/15
Fawaz is six years younger than the company that has made the fortune
"Dating back half a century ago, in an era when pearl diving was a common norm, Abdulkarim Hasan Alhasawi established the Alhasawi Group of Companies in 1962. The discovery of oil ignited an economic boom in Kuwait, and ever since the Alhasawi Group has ridden on multiple waves of success. Starting from humble beginnings as a small repair and installation store in downtown Kuwait, the Alhasawi Group has broadened its scope to become a leading multinational company."
posted on 23/11/15
Fawaz would have been five when this particular company was set-up....
"Fawaz Refrigeration and Air-Conditioning Company was incorporated in 1973 as an Electro-Mechanical Contracting Company in Kuwait under the dynamic leadership of founder chairman Late Mr. Mubarak Abdul Aziz Al Hassawi. Fawaz Group has three main lines of business - Contracting, Trading & Facilities Management. "
posted on 23/11/15
The biggest problem, on the field, we have at the moment is obvious we simply can't score. The forwards we have fit are not up to it.
posted on 23/11/15
Good points, Ray. Fawaz has had all the dosh handed to him on a plate. Nothing wrong with that but I don't buy it that he's some tycoon who has his finger on the pulse as the evidence suggests otherwise.
Agree with BS that Pearson wouldn't be half the manager without his back room staff. Remember recent Forest managers having to work with previous staff. It never worked. Rob Kelly for example seemed to lead a charmed life! With FFP restrictions I can't see Forest being able to afford it.
posted on 23/11/15
I think you do Pearson down a little. What was his overall record at Leicester?
posted on 23/11/15
In terms of the short term "on the pitch issues", we all know that we're having more shots than most teams but in the bottom 2 or 3 in terms of scoring. Oliveria in particular has been having lots of shots around the edge of the box and not finding much joy.
So far he has scored two, one being an edge of the box effort against Derby and the other being put in and being through against QPR.
I have seen a fair amount of people suggest the fact the strikers are not scoring is beyond anything the manager can improve under the embargo and it doesn't quite fit with me. While he can't suddenly magic up a goal scoring instinct, they can work on things, change where and when we shoot etc.
Then I recalled this from after the Derby game and it goes a fair well to explain Oilveria's shoot on site policy that isn't proving to be very fruitful (one goal so far from this type of effort).
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Forest boss Freedman had been encouraging match-winner Nelson Oliveira to have the courage to maintain his shoot on sight policy, despite the lack of goals from the Portuguese front man, who had not found the net since his debut goal at QPR in September.
Oliveira (3.4) has averaged the second most shots per game in the Championship – beaten only by Reading's Nick Blackman (3.7) – and Freedman has been working to maintain his confidence levels in front of goal, to ensure he maintained that willingness to pull the trigger.
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posted on 23/11/15
Fair points Ray, business acumen is not passed genetically. He has the money, he just needs to get someone in to run the club as a sporting business, and resist the urge to tinker, which to be fair he has resisted since sacking SP. It takes time to build a club up, and DF is doing a fair enough job under the circumstances and you will be good enough to stay up. Pearson's stock is still high enough that he does not yet need to dip back in the championship, there will be a struggling Prem club chairman who will push the panic button soon enough, and I expect he is holding out for that.
posted on 23/11/15
You're probably right, Wicklow. I wouldn't be looking at Forest as an enticing prospect at this moment in time. The odds would be stacked against a new manager, as they are against DF. Pearson won't want another minefield situation developing against him following his travails down the A46.
posted on 23/11/15
I don't know what more Fawaz has to do to convince Forest fans of his utter incompetence. The best anyone can say about him is that his heart is in the right place and to cling on to the hope that he will learn from previous mistakes. The plain fact is he hasn't a clue. The loyalty to Fawaz seems to be fear that Forest will go under if he pulls out his cash but meanwhile the club goes steadily backwards and each successive manager appointed by Fawaz carries the can despite him failing to provide any sort of structure or stability for the manager to work under. It's clear that he will never relinquish the reigns or to allow anyone any kind of authority to run HIS club. Meanwhile he is just hoping to strike lucky, that the latest name plucked from the list of unemployed managers will produce a miraculous turnaround.
The question is how to persuade him to go. Fan protests against him would probably do it because he needs to feel loved and has previously over-reacted to any sort of dissent on Twitter. Then the difficulty is finding anyone to take over the mess he has created and of course there is no guarantee that the next one will be any less useless. Things could end up even worse. It's a pickle and no mistake.
posted on 23/11/15
"I don't know what more Fawaz has to do to convince Forest fans of his utter incompetence."
The fan base is pretty split, I don't know if you are deliberately implying that most fans are behind him but the word "some" or even "many" would have been better.
posted on 23/11/15
Do the fans want Fawaz to go or to they want him to hand over the running of the club to someone with experience of doing that.
Myself I'm in the latter group. Better the devil you know. I remember when we had a bunch of cockney spivs running the club; I wouldn't want to go back to those days.
posted on 23/11/15
I remember BC's last season when we went down, we were in a similar position back then too, battering teams, not scoring, then losing against teams that scored with their only shots on goal.
I looked at the table after the game on Saturday, and we may have to rely on 3 teams being worse than us, Rotherham, MK Dons and someone else. Bolton are bottom, but I expect them to get out of it somehow, so that leaves Bristol, Huddersfield and maybe Charlton and Preston.
I'm hoping that the more games Oliveira plays, the more he'll understand the Championship, and then maybe he'll start scoring, because he is a decent enough player. I'd have played Walker a lot more for the same reason, because I think he could eventually be useful in this league.
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