comment by I am No.4 (U19487)
posted 7 minutes ago

Other than Suarez, Michael Shields case, blaming SAF bribing refs and cheating for our titles, the mentalities around events like Hillsborough and Heysel, our teams not being in Europe, and an inability to accept that the chant itself is not about blaming Liverpool fans for death.

Those are all valid reasons you would be given.
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And there it is.

You jump in with the victim thing and expect us all to say "Oh it's ok he doesn't think that chant has any negative connotations, so yeah he's cool, call us victims again"

comment by Be A Grizzly (U2206)
posted about a minute ago
I am No.4 (U19487)

You acknowledge that "some" fans use the chant referring to Hillsborough.

You must realise the pain and offence this causes to friends and relatives of those 96 people who died.

Any decent person would not use that "victim" tag purely because it MAY offend.

Conclusion?
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By Hillsborough, I assume you mean passing blame for the event and not just Hillsborough an event to which Liverpool's mentality was present. Because there is a difference which is not willingly accepting here.

Yes, some do pass blame and use the chant as a medium to express that. But they are also the ones who chant and say disgraceful things about the event, like the guy who wore the 96 was not enough shirt.

These people are disgusting, and I believe make up maybe 5% of the United(and Liverpool with regards to their mentalities on Munich)'s fan bases.

It's about identifying the victim mentality,

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What victim mentality are you identifying?

comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted less than a minute ago
It's about identifying the victim mentality,

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What victim mentality are you identifying?
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The one seemingly consistently present in Liverpool's fanbase over recent history. The one not only United fans, but fans of all Liverpool's rivals can see and acknowledge.

comment by I am No.4 (U19487)
posted 57 seconds ago
comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted less than a minute ago
It's about identifying the victim mentality,

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What victim mentality are you identifying?
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The one seemingly consistently present in Liverpool's fanbase over recent history. The one not only United fans, but fans of all Liverpool's rivals can see and acknowledge.
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Like I asked, what victim mentality are you alluding to?

What defined events are we said to be the victims of?

comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted about a minute ago
comment by I am No.4 (U19487)
posted 57 seconds ago
comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted less than a minute ago
It's about identifying the victim mentality,

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What victim mentality are you identifying?
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The one seemingly consistently present in Liverpool's fanbase over recent history. The one not only United fans, but fans of all Liverpool's rivals can see and acknowledge.
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Like I asked, what victim mentality are you alluding to?

What defined events are we said to be the victims of?
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Stated above.

And with that, the debate is become circular. You have all the information you need to judge the chant fairly on this thread.

RIP to the 96, the Busby Babes, and all victims of footballing tragedies.

Have a good one lads.

comment by I am No.4 (U19487)
posted 2 minutes ago
And with that, the debate is become circular. You have all the information you need to judge the chant fairly on this thread.

RIP to the 96, the Busby Babes, and all victims of footballing tragedies.

Have a good one lads.
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Fūçk off

what a total cant tries to worm his way out of being a cant with that last comment.

Can't explain his way out of it, says it all, won't forget this thread you fecking horrible cant.

No. 4 you need to stop digging. I am astounded by your stupidity in that you think people who support a certain club could possibly have a trait that is present in the entire fan base. This is just ree tarded logic. Are you saying that people with 'cry baby attitudes' often choose to be Liverpool fans or that once a person becomes a Liverpool fan they adopt a 'cry baby attitude'? Facking idiot.

You think the fact that United fans don't admit its about the tragedies justifies your idiocy. It doesn't matter what the Mancs think you ballsack. All that matters is the truth, which you've been told. if you didnt know well now you know and yet you persist confirming your status as a complete piece of excrement.

comment by I am No.4 (U19487)
posted 4 hours, 53 minutes ago
comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted about a minute ago
comment by I am No.4 (U19487)
posted 57 seconds ago
comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted less than a minute ago
It's about identifying the victim mentality,

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What victim mentality are you identifying?
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The one seemingly consistently present in Liverpool's fanbase over recent history. The one not only United fans, but fans of all Liverpool's rivals can see and acknowledge.
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Like I asked, what victim mentality are you alluding to?

What defined events are we said to be the victims of?
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Stated above.

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Again, what defined events? Iist them so I can knock them down one by one...