Just stupid football fans saying stupid things mate. I wouldn't pay it no mind
Chelsea only won tomorrow because City and Spurs are tired from European football next month.
Teams playing in Europe tend to have the best and biggest squads, so of course, the league champions always tend to be involved in Europe. The overwhelming majority of the time.
Nevertheless, I don't think any reasonable person can deny teams profit from extra recovery on a week to week basis if you're playing 1 match instead of 2. Why do you think players are rested in League Cup or FA Cup games? For the fun of it.
There's zero doubt in my mind Leicester wouldn't have won the league last season if they were in Europe. And Liverpool wouldn't have come as close as they did in THAT season under Brenda. You know it. Why pretend otherwise just to defend your team.
Can't remember anyone saying it when we won the treble in 99, it's a new fad, just a lazy thing to throw out nowadays
comment by Sheriff John Brown - bring back David Dein (U7482)
posted 3 minutes ago
Teams playing in Europe tend to have the best and biggest squads, so of course, the league champions always tend to be involved in Europe. The overwhelming majority of the time.
Nevertheless, I don't think any reasonable person can deny teams profit from extra recovery on a week to week basis if you're playing 1 match instead of 2. Why do you think players are rested in League Cup or FA Cup games? For the fun of it.
There's zero doubt in my mind Leicester wouldn't have won the league last season if they were in Europe. And Liverpool wouldn't have come as close as they did in THAT season under Brenda. You know it. Why pretend otherwise just to defend your team.
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I'm defending us and Liverpool because as history states only Leicester in the last, what, 25 years? maybe more? Have won the league and haven't been in Europe!
History proves that it makes little to no difference!
Like I said, does it benefit or doesn't it? For me looking at the facts, it doesn't make a difference...
comment by United_kaz (U9943)
posted 2 minutes ago
Can't remember anyone saying it when we won the treble in 99, it's a new fad, just a lazy thing to throw out nowadays
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Exactly
History proves that it makes little to no difference!
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It's a very misleading, disingenuous comparison though. The fact Swansea, West Ham and the likes couldn't win the league over the huge, expensively assembled squads of CL teams doesn't prove anything.
It's becoming more relevant these days where you have big teams like Chelsea and Liverpool with no European football and very good squads, and tthat puts them at an advantage.
Again, lets quit skirting around my simple comment earlier: do you really believe Leicester could have won the league last season if they had a European campaign.
Nonsense imo. These guys are fit as anything. If they have one more game it just means one less training session. NBA seasons they play 82 games every couple of nights. They are athletes and it doesn't make a difference
It's a loadofpish excuse making.
Same as the Thursday Europa league games having an effect on players playing on the sunday\monday.
It makes a difference to a certain extent, it just means you need a smaller squad to be competitive and being able to field the same 11 for the majority of games helps with cohesion of the side.
But essentially given the size of the squads of the big teams it makes little difference in the long run. Chelsea don't have a huge squad so CL football may have put more strain on them this year, but they don't struggle with injuries much anyway.
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 2 minutes ago
It's a loadofpish excuse making.
Same as the Thursday Europa league games having an effect on players playing on the sunday\monday.
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That one I don't get - Thurs/Sun is no different to Weds/Sat. You play a couple of games more, not a huge deal.
But I think there could be an argument made for no European football overall giving a small edge, which at the top level makes a difference.
Personally I don't understand how professionals can't play three games a week without getting tired and needing a rest, but there you go.
The Europa thing isn't just a weds/sat and thurs/sun thing.
Sometimes CL games are played on Tuesdays. Europa games are almost only played on Thursdays
Just an excuse, please don't try and tell me that these professional footballers aren't fit enough to play two 90 minutes games a week.
If they're not they shouldn't be fleecing their employers for hundreds of thousands of pounds a week in wages!
It depends on the team and the size of their squad. We have an excellent first XI but a pretty thin squad so no European football is certainly an advantage in the PL for us this season, but the disadvantage being we have one less possibility of silverware.
The idea of not participating/being knocked out of Europe improving your chances of winning the league shouldn't be a serious subject of debate though. As Chelsea fans we know this better than anyone, 3 of our 4 PL titles were won after being knocked out of the last 16 in the CL, and the CL was one in a year we finishing 6th in the PL.
Of course it helps, it's silly to say it doesn't.
But it's no excuse. Teams knew what the situation is before the season started, they should have planned accordingly.
Playing European football is obviously beneficial, how can you say 99% of the times the league is won by a team playing in Europe and then say it makes no difference?
Its definitely about squad size, experience and depth, combined with a management who have experience in handling the schedule Imo.
But its got to be easier concentrating on one major competition rather than 2.
comment by Robb Mkhitaryan (U21234)
posted 9 hours, 33 minutes ago
The Europa thing isn't just a weds/sat and thurs/sun thing.
Sometimes CL games are played on Tuesdays. Europa games are almost only played on Thursdays
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It's excuse making, this logic is a new thing, if your successful, games come thick and fast because you're in more competitions.
No wonder some players act like prima donnas when there are fans willing to give them a free pass for under performing because they had to sit on a plane for a couple of hours a few days before their next game.
You can't tell me that it makes no difference if you have to play your first X1 midweek against a top European team. Obviously it is beneficial to have fewer games to play so your best players are better rested and prepared.
As someone said earlier, in general the top teams have the best squads so obviously cope better with it.
It makes a difference when your main rival is in Europe and you are not. Spurs dumped themselves out of the competition to give themselves a chance in the PL this year. Arsenal will probably go out next round so will be all equal.
Eh Spurs are still in Europe....
Of course players are fit enough to play two games a week.
However, anyone who has had a week between games is bound to be a little bit sharper. At the top level, that little bit extra makes a difference.
No Europe and youur coach has a week to prepare for a game, drill his players in training.
Whereas another coach may have a day to rest, then be on a plane the next. Playing a match, another travel day another rest. Then he can prepare for the weekend.
Take nothing away, if you win it you win it fair and square
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posted on 21/1/17
Just stupid football fans saying stupid things mate. I wouldn't pay it no mind
posted on 21/1/17
Chelsea only won tomorrow because City and Spurs are tired from European football next month.
posted on 21/1/17
Teams playing in Europe tend to have the best and biggest squads, so of course, the league champions always tend to be involved in Europe. The overwhelming majority of the time.
Nevertheless, I don't think any reasonable person can deny teams profit from extra recovery on a week to week basis if you're playing 1 match instead of 2. Why do you think players are rested in League Cup or FA Cup games? For the fun of it.
There's zero doubt in my mind Leicester wouldn't have won the league last season if they were in Europe. And Liverpool wouldn't have come as close as they did in THAT season under Brenda. You know it. Why pretend otherwise just to defend your team.
posted on 21/1/17
Can't remember anyone saying it when we won the treble in 99, it's a new fad, just a lazy thing to throw out nowadays
posted on 21/1/17
comment by Sheriff John Brown - bring back David Dein (U7482)
posted 3 minutes ago
Teams playing in Europe tend to have the best and biggest squads, so of course, the league champions always tend to be involved in Europe. The overwhelming majority of the time.
Nevertheless, I don't think any reasonable person can deny teams profit from extra recovery on a week to week basis if you're playing 1 match instead of 2. Why do you think players are rested in League Cup or FA Cup games? For the fun of it.
There's zero doubt in my mind Leicester wouldn't have won the league last season if they were in Europe. And Liverpool wouldn't have come as close as they did in THAT season under Brenda. You know it. Why pretend otherwise just to defend your team.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I'm defending us and Liverpool because as history states only Leicester in the last, what, 25 years? maybe more? Have won the league and haven't been in Europe!
History proves that it makes little to no difference!
Like I said, does it benefit or doesn't it? For me looking at the facts, it doesn't make a difference...
posted on 21/1/17
comment by United_kaz (U9943)
posted 2 minutes ago
Can't remember anyone saying it when we won the treble in 99, it's a new fad, just a lazy thing to throw out nowadays
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Exactly
posted on 21/1/17
History proves that it makes little to no difference!
-----------------------------------------------
It's a very misleading, disingenuous comparison though. The fact Swansea, West Ham and the likes couldn't win the league over the huge, expensively assembled squads of CL teams doesn't prove anything.
It's becoming more relevant these days where you have big teams like Chelsea and Liverpool with no European football and very good squads, and tthat puts them at an advantage.
Again, lets quit skirting around my simple comment earlier: do you really believe Leicester could have won the league last season if they had a European campaign.
posted on 21/1/17
Nonsense imo. These guys are fit as anything. If they have one more game it just means one less training session. NBA seasons they play 82 games every couple of nights. They are athletes and it doesn't make a difference
posted on 21/1/17
It's a loadofpish excuse making.
Same as the Thursday Europa league games having an effect on players playing on the sunday\monday.
posted on 21/1/17
It makes a difference to a certain extent, it just means you need a smaller squad to be competitive and being able to field the same 11 for the majority of games helps with cohesion of the side.
But essentially given the size of the squads of the big teams it makes little difference in the long run. Chelsea don't have a huge squad so CL football may have put more strain on them this year, but they don't struggle with injuries much anyway.
posted on 21/1/17
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 2 minutes ago
It's a loadofpish excuse making.
Same as the Thursday Europa league games having an effect on players playing on the sunday\monday.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
That one I don't get - Thurs/Sun is no different to Weds/Sat. You play a couple of games more, not a huge deal.
But I think there could be an argument made for no European football overall giving a small edge, which at the top level makes a difference.
Personally I don't understand how professionals can't play three games a week without getting tired and needing a rest, but there you go.
posted on 21/1/17
The Europa thing isn't just a weds/sat and thurs/sun thing.
Sometimes CL games are played on Tuesdays. Europa games are almost only played on Thursdays
posted on 21/1/17
Just an excuse, please don't try and tell me that these professional footballers aren't fit enough to play two 90 minutes games a week.
If they're not they shouldn't be fleecing their employers for hundreds of thousands of pounds a week in wages!
posted on 22/1/17
It depends on the team and the size of their squad. We have an excellent first XI but a pretty thin squad so no European football is certainly an advantage in the PL for us this season, but the disadvantage being we have one less possibility of silverware.
The idea of not participating/being knocked out of Europe improving your chances of winning the league shouldn't be a serious subject of debate though. As Chelsea fans we know this better than anyone, 3 of our 4 PL titles were won after being knocked out of the last 16 in the CL, and the CL was one in a year we finishing 6th in the PL.
posted on 22/1/17
Of course it helps, it's silly to say it doesn't.
But it's no excuse. Teams knew what the situation is before the season started, they should have planned accordingly.
posted on 22/1/17
Playing European football is obviously beneficial, how can you say 99% of the times the league is won by a team playing in Europe and then say it makes no difference?
posted on 22/1/17
Its definitely about squad size, experience and depth, combined with a management who have experience in handling the schedule Imo.
But its got to be easier concentrating on one major competition rather than 2.
posted on 22/1/17
comment by Robb Mkhitaryan (U21234)
posted 9 hours, 33 minutes ago
The Europa thing isn't just a weds/sat and thurs/sun thing.
Sometimes CL games are played on Tuesdays. Europa games are almost only played on Thursdays
------------------------------------------
It's excuse making, this logic is a new thing, if your successful, games come thick and fast because you're in more competitions.
No wonder some players act like prima donnas when there are fans willing to give them a free pass for under performing because they had to sit on a plane for a couple of hours a few days before their next game.
posted on 22/1/17
You can't tell me that it makes no difference if you have to play your first X1 midweek against a top European team. Obviously it is beneficial to have fewer games to play so your best players are better rested and prepared.
As someone said earlier, in general the top teams have the best squads so obviously cope better with it.
posted on 22/1/17
It makes a difference when your main rival is in Europe and you are not. Spurs dumped themselves out of the competition to give themselves a chance in the PL this year. Arsenal will probably go out next round so will be all equal.
posted on 22/1/17
Eh Spurs are still in Europe....
posted on 22/1/17
Of course players are fit enough to play two games a week.
However, anyone who has had a week between games is bound to be a little bit sharper. At the top level, that little bit extra makes a difference.
No Europe and youur coach has a week to prepare for a game, drill his players in training.
Whereas another coach may have a day to rest, then be on a plane the next. Playing a match, another travel day another rest. Then he can prepare for the weekend.
Take nothing away, if you win it you win it fair and square
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