And why aren't we 'meh' to fans of other clubs? We've done nothing, apart from a couple of Top 4 finishes over the past decade.
comment by Zlatan The King Ibrahimovic (U10026)
posted 8 minutes ago
Spurs have won naff all and still sacked managers. Barca have won loads and still sacked managers. The two are unrelated.
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Ive just read your articles, we couldnt disagree more on anything in football. You sound like a glory hunter that doesnt watch any football. Shouts when you win or rivals lose
Stop posting on my article please
comment by The Rising Son (U6965)
posted 1 minute ago
And why aren't we 'meh' to fans of other clubs? We've done nothing, apart from a couple of Top 4 finishes over the past decade.
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We are a well run Club and Business
Levy would never see that happen to us. The new stadium will cement that, along with the new training ground i cant see the future being nothing but bright
comment by Wake me up before you MoPo (U17369)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by The Rising Son (U6965)
posted 1 minute ago
And why aren't we 'meh' to fans of other clubs? We've done nothing, apart from a couple of Top 4 finishes over the past decade.
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We are a well run Club and Business
Levy would never see that happen to us. The new stadium will cement that, along with the new training ground i cant see the future being nothing but bright
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The business side I agree we're fantastically well run. But my point is performance wise. Finishing 4th, but not winning anything, doesn't create a legacy. Look around us - Chelsea, Arsenal, city, Utd, Liverpool all win trophies - we don't, and crashing out of Europa against Gent isn't going to improve us
That's a load of balls.
Not sure why you're so upset about my comment anyway. Pointing out that clubs sack mamagers regardless of trophies won or not is clearly common sense, and doesn't really tie in with what PawlBawron said does it?
We are three games - one against a league one side at home - away from winning a trophy. The FA Cup
If we got through last night we would still be 7 games away from winning that one.
Make no mistake, if we do not qualify for the CL next season the vultures will be circling for our best players. It is essential we qualify for it.
This result, as annoying as it was, gives us the best chance of both winning the FA cup and finishing in the top 4.
Which would be a marvellous season
Bizarelly entitled Spurs fans, I never quite understand them
comment by HRH King Ledley (U20095)
posted 2 hours, 1 minute ago
We are three games - one against a league one side at home - away from winning a trophy. The FA Cup
If we got through last night we would still be 7 games away from winning that one.
Make no mistake, if we do not qualify for the CL next season the vultures will be circling for our best players. It is essential we qualify for it.
This result, as annoying as it was, gives us the best chance of both winning the FA cup and finishing in the top 4.
Which would be a marvellous season
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Agree a Top 4 and cup would be brilliant, but lets not get ahead of ourselves.
The chance of achieving that is slim.
Beating say, Chelsea in the semi then City in the final is a big ask. If we stand a 40% chance of winning each game, then winning the Cup is about a 20% probability.
Finishing Top 4 is also lottery - I'd say we have a 60% chance of finishing Top 4 given our current standing and fixture list.
So to win a Cup and finish Top 4 is about a 15% probability, when you combine the two events.
There's every chance we could finish 5th with no Cup win. Would crashing out the Europa to a medicore Belgian side still be viewed as a blessing?
We need to realise we're not too big for the Europa, or League Cup and take these competitions seriously. Sevilla have won the Europa 5 times in 10 seasons - they're now a big fish in Europe. Atelicto used it as a springboard to becoming a great side by winning it twice in recent years. Even Chelsea won it a few seaons back - they loved every minute, especially when the lifted the trophy, which is something we can only dream of.
comment by The Rising Son (U6965)
posted 4 hours, 23 minutes ago
comment by HRH King Ledley (U20095)
posted 2 hours, 1 minute ago
We are three games - one against a league one side at home - away from winning a trophy. The FA Cup
If we got through last night we would still be 7 games away from winning that one.
Make no mistake, if we do not qualify for the CL next season the vultures will be circling for our best players. It is essential we qualify for it.
This result, as annoying as it was, gives us the best chance of both winning the FA cup and finishing in the top 4.
Which would be a marvellous season
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Agree a Top 4 and cup would be brilliant, but lets not get ahead of ourselves.
The chance of achieving that is slim.
Beating say, Chelsea in the semi then City in the final is a big ask. If we stand a 40% chance of winning each game, then winning the Cup is about a 20% probability.
Finishing Top 4 is also lottery - I'd say we have a 60% chance of finishing Top 4 given our current standing and fixture list.
So to win a Cup and finish Top 4 is about a 15% probability, when you combine the two events.
There's every chance we could finish 5th with no Cup win. Would crashing out the Europa to a medicore Belgian side still be viewed as a blessing?
We need to realise we're not too big for the Europa, or League Cup and take these competitions seriously. Sevilla have won the Europa 5 times in 10 seasons - they're now a big fish in Europe. Atelicto used it as a springboard to becoming a great side by winning it twice in recent years. Even Chelsea won it a few seaons back - they loved every minute, especially when the lifted the trophy, which is something we can only dream of.
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Finishing top 4 is not a lottery. We have 13 games left and plenty against bottom half sides. We are in a great position. 3rd favourites in fact, best priced at 4/9. Which is a 70% chance.
That is our bread and butter, as sorry as it is.
Continued participation in the Europa would only decrease our chances of an FA cup win or a top 4 finish. More than likely it would spread us too thin and we would fall short in all three.
Now we can go strong in every single game from here to May. Only a couple of midweek matches to worry about
We do not deserve to even be in the Europa anyway, we failed in the CL. Karma
comment by HRH King Ledley (U20095)
posted 1 hour, 27 minutes ago
comment by The Rising Son (U6965)
posted 4 hours, 23 minutes ago
comment by HRH King Ledley (U20095)
posted 2 hours, 1 minute ago
We are three games - one against a league one side at home - away from winning a trophy. The FA Cup
If we got through last night we would still be 7 games away from winning that one.
Make no mistake, if we do not qualify for the CL next season the vultures will be circling for our best players. It is essential we qualify for it.
This result, as annoying as it was, gives us the best chance of both winning the FA cup and finishing in the top 4.
Which would be a marvellous season
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Agree a Top 4 and cup would be brilliant, but lets not get ahead of ourselves.
The chance of achieving that is slim.
Beating say, Chelsea in the semi then City in the final is a big ask. If we stand a 40% chance of winning each game, then winning the Cup is about a 20% probability.
Finishing Top 4 is also lottery - I'd say we have a 60% chance of finishing Top 4 given our current standing and fixture list.
So to win a Cup and finish Top 4 is about a 15% probability, when you combine the two events.
There's every chance we could finish 5th with no Cup win. Would crashing out the Europa to a medicore Belgian side still be viewed as a blessing?
We need to realise we're not too big for the Europa, or League Cup and take these competitions seriously. Sevilla have won the Europa 5 times in 10 seasons - they're now a big fish in Europe. Atelicto used it as a springboard to becoming a great side by winning it twice in recent years. Even Chelsea won it a few seaons back - they loved every minute, especially when the lifted the trophy, which is something we can only dream of.
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Finishing top 4 is not a lottery. We have 13 games left and plenty against bottom half sides. We are in a great position. 3rd favourites in fact, best priced at 4/9. Which is a 70% chance.
That is our bread and butter, as sorry as it is.
Continued participation in the Europa would only decrease our chances of an FA cup win or a top 4 finish. More than likely it would spread us too thin and we would fall short in all three.
Now we can go strong in every single game from here to May. Only a couple of midweek matches to worry about
We do not deserve to even be in the Europa anyway, we failed in the CL. Karma
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Fact of the matter is that we don't have the squad to contend with league and Europa. If we played a strong Europa team and progressed far everyone would complain when the league form fell off or players were tired
Proper transfer activity in the summer can rectify this. Buying players who can legitimately challenge our starting XI for their place rather than playing it nice and safe by replacing one lot of subs (Chadli, Mason, Carroll and N'Jie) with another batch (N'Koudou, Onomah, Winks and Janssen).
Popular opinion that we need to be in the Champions League to grow as a club.
Popular opinion that we need to start winning trophies.
Popular opinion that people would "prefer"(!...like it's a choice ) to win the FA Cup over the Europa (I personally "prefer" the Europa but I know from experience that I'm in the minority).
Popular opinion that our squad isn't good enough / deep enough to compete for all 4 trophies.
Popular opinion that we need to rotate the (limited) squad.
Popular opinion that the Thursday - Sunday schedule is detrimental to domestic success.
Wake me up before you MoPo suggests that the silver lining to going out last night was that our small squad have an improved chance of winning the FA Cup and securing the top 4. Not doing it, but now a greater chance - and everybody jumps on him for it
FYI - I was gutted we went out last night and would very happily finish 6th and win one or other (or both ) of the FA Cup or Europa. The Champs League is certianly not the be all and end all for me...we're not at that level yet as a club.
Exactly that. The squad is not up to it right now, by virtue of quality and/or players not being trusted by Poch.
If we went strong in all comps, relying on 14 players or so, if it hit the fan come Spring and we hit the wall, there would be moans about Poch for over-working players.
As it stands now, Poch has no excuse for us tailing off. No blaming the squad. We should have a real go at top 3 and the FA Cup now
The FA Cup semis (if we qualify) also fall the weekend after the European QF games, so if we face either of the Manc clubs we may well have that advantage too.
If we go on to win the FA Cup and finish top 4 I don't think any Spurs fan in the world would be bemoaning last night's result.
Last night's result clearly means we have a greater chance of doing the above.
Inspite of that - I did not want to go out last night, I want to see how far we can go in that comp, BUT I do accept that getting to quarter finals, semi finals...would inevitably mean the above scenario is highly unlikely.
Don't want to put words in Wake me up's mouth, but that's how I took is article and comments and can totally see his thinking. Those saying "we shouldn't sniff at any cup comp etc" have missed the / his point I think.
Yeah, fans are highly strung though.
Hows this for twisted?
I would happily have 'sacrificed' Europa by playing fringe players to concentrate on the FA cup and League.
Yet when I saw the strong line up I was happy, when thinking logically I should have been peed off.
I watched the game and was desperate to win.
After the game, I was very peed off.
Today I am back to thinking it is a good thing for us.
comment by hounslows-finest (U6180)
posted 19 hours, 21 minutes ago
comment by ♤WengersNearlyMen♤ (U5041)
posted 1 minute ago
Poch out time
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No khunts with manager out banners at our place boyo
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There will be if u continue to bottle finishing above us :
comment by HRH King Ledley (U20095)
posted 1 hour, 2 minutes ago
Exactly that. The squad is not up to it right now, by virtue of quality and/or players not being trusted by Poch.
If we went strong in all comps, relying on 14 players or so, if it hit the fan come Spring and we hit the wall, there would be moans about Poch for over-working players.
As it stands now, Poch has no excuse for us tailing off. No blaming the squad. We should have a real go at top 3 and the FA Cup now
The FA Cup semis (if we qualify) also fall the weekend after the European QF games, so if we face either of the Manc clubs we may well have that advantage too.
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Nail on the head again
13 league games and a maximum of 4 cup-ties.
All FA cup games are on scheduled PL gameweeks so there's the possibility of 2 midweek league games before the weekend league game for the 'squad' to handle - when I say squad I'm referring to the 15 or so outfield players we can realistically expect to get the job done.
Destiny is in our hands and we're just about at a level playing field with Arsenal and Liverpool in terms of the number of remaining fixtures - as well as Chelsea who are likely to be out of reach.
Let's see what Poch and the players are made of
comment by Ledders The King - Football Manager Icon (U20121)
posted 3 hours, 6 minutes ago
comment by HRH King Ledley (U20095)
posted 1 hour, 27 minutes ago
comment by The Rising Son (U6965)
posted 4 hours, 23 minutes ago
comment by HRH King Ledley (U20095)
posted 2 hours, 1 minute ago
We are three games - one against a league one side at home - away from winning a trophy. The FA Cup
If we got through last night we would still be 7 games away from winning that one.
Make no mistake, if we do not qualify for the CL next season the vultures will be circling for our best players. It is essential we qualify for it.
This result, as annoying as it was, gives us the best chance of both winning the FA cup and finishing in the top 4.
Which would be a marvellous season
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Agree a Top 4 and cup would be brilliant, but lets not get ahead of ourselves.
The chance of achieving that is slim.
Beating say, Chelsea in the semi then City in the final is a big ask. If we stand a 40% chance of winning each game, then winning the Cup is about a 20% probability.
Finishing Top 4 is also lottery - I'd say we have a 60% chance of finishing Top 4 given our current standing and fixture list.
So to win a Cup and finish Top 4 is about a 15% probability, when you combine the two events.
There's every chance we could finish 5th with no Cup win. Would crashing out the Europa to a medicore Belgian side still be viewed as a blessing?
We need to realise we're not too big for the Europa, or League Cup and take these competitions seriously. Sevilla have won the Europa 5 times in 10 seasons - they're now a big fish in Europe. Atelicto used it as a springboard to becoming a great side by winning it twice in recent years. Even Chelsea won it a few seaons back - they loved every minute, especially when the lifted the trophy, which is something we can only dream of.
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Finishing top 4 is not a lottery. We have 13 games left and plenty against bottom half sides. We are in a great position. 3rd favourites in fact, best priced at 4/9. Which is a 70% chance.
That is our bread and butter, as sorry as it is.
Continued participation in the Europa would only decrease our chances of an FA cup win or a top 4 finish. More than likely it would spread us too thin and we would fall short in all three.
Now we can go strong in every single game from here to May. Only a couple of midweek matches to worry about
We do not deserve to even be in the Europa anyway, we failed in the CL. Karma
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Fact of the matter is that we don't have the squad to contend with league and Europa. If we played a strong Europa team and progressed far everyone would complain when the league form fell off or players were tired
Proper transfer activity in the summer can rectify this. Buying players who can legitimately challenge our starting XI for their place rather than playing it nice and safe by replacing one lot of subs (Chadli, Mason, Carroll and N'Jie) with another batch (N'Koudou, Onomah, Winks and Janssen).
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Our squad isnt up to Europe, the league and a domestic cup?! Seriously? Thats a cop out, we must be the only club in europe that uses this excuse season after season.
The best teams compete on 3 or 4 fronts every season. We can barely focus on 2. Theres no excuse for that.
comment by The Rising Son (U6965)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Ledders The King - Football Manager Icon (U20121)
posted 3 hours, 6 minutes ago
comment by HRH King Ledley (U20095)
posted 1 hour, 27 minutes ago
comment by The Rising Son (U6965)
posted 4 hours, 23 minutes ago
comment by HRH King Ledley (U20095)
posted 2 hours, 1 minute ago
We are three games - one against a league one side at home - away from winning a trophy. The FA Cup
If we got through last night we would still be 7 games away from winning that one.
Make no mistake, if we do not qualify for the CL next season the vultures will be circling for our best players. It is essential we qualify for it.
This result, as annoying as it was, gives us the best chance of both winning the FA cup and finishing in the top 4.
Which would be a marvellous season
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Agree a Top 4 and cup would be brilliant, but lets not get ahead of ourselves.
The chance of achieving that is slim.
Beating say, Chelsea in the semi then City in the final is a big ask. If we stand a 40% chance of winning each game, then winning the Cup is about a 20% probability.
Finishing Top 4 is also lottery - I'd say we have a 60% chance of finishing Top 4 given our current standing and fixture list.
So to win a Cup and finish Top 4 is about a 15% probability, when you combine the two events.
There's every chance we could finish 5th with no Cup win. Would crashing out the Europa to a medicore Belgian side still be viewed as a blessing?
We need to realise we're not too big for the Europa, or League Cup and take these competitions seriously. Sevilla have won the Europa 5 times in 10 seasons - they're now a big fish in Europe. Atelicto used it as a springboard to becoming a great side by winning it twice in recent years. Even Chelsea won it a few seaons back - they loved every minute, especially when the lifted the trophy, which is something we can only dream of.
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Finishing top 4 is not a lottery. We have 13 games left and plenty against bottom half sides. We are in a great position. 3rd favourites in fact, best priced at 4/9. Which is a 70% chance.
That is our bread and butter, as sorry as it is.
Continued participation in the Europa would only decrease our chances of an FA cup win or a top 4 finish. More than likely it would spread us too thin and we would fall short in all three.
Now we can go strong in every single game from here to May. Only a couple of midweek matches to worry about
We do not deserve to even be in the Europa anyway, we failed in the CL. Karma
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Fact of the matter is that we don't have the squad to contend with league and Europa. If we played a strong Europa team and progressed far everyone would complain when the league form fell off or players were tired
Proper transfer activity in the summer can rectify this. Buying players who can legitimately challenge our starting XI for their place rather than playing it nice and safe by replacing one lot of subs (Chadli, Mason, Carroll and N'Jie) with another batch (N'Koudou, Onomah, Winks and Janssen).
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Our squad isnt up to Europe, the league and a domestic cup?! Seriously? Thats a cop out, we must be the only club in europe that uses this excuse season after season.
The best teams compete on 3 or 4 fronts every season. We can barely focus on 2. Theres no excuse for that.
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So who are these 20 or so outfield players that we have that are genuinely capable of competing for 60 games per season? (I'm talking top 4 finish, all cup quarter-finals) Please feel free to list them below:
comment by The Rising Son (U6965)
posted 13 hours, 13 minutes ago
comment by Ledders The King - Football Manager Icon (U20121)
posted 3 hours, 6 minutes ago
comment by HRH King Ledley (U20095)
posted 1 hour, 27 minutes ago
comment by The Rising Son (U6965)
posted 4 hours, 23 minutes ago
comment by HRH King Ledley (U20095)
posted 2 hours, 1 minute ago
We are three games - one against a league one side at home - away from winning a trophy. The FA Cup
If we got through last night we would still be 7 games away from winning that one.
Make no mistake, if we do not qualify for the CL next season the vultures will be circling for our best players. It is essential we qualify for it.
This result, as annoying as it was, gives us the best chance of both winning the FA cup and finishing in the top 4.
Which would be a marvellous season
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Agree a Top 4 and cup would be brilliant, but lets not get ahead of ourselves.
The chance of achieving that is slim.
Beating say, Chelsea in the semi then City in the final is a big ask. If we stand a 40% chance of winning each game, then winning the Cup is about a 20% probability.
Finishing Top 4 is also lottery - I'd say we have a 60% chance of finishing Top 4 given our current standing and fixture list.
So to win a Cup and finish Top 4 is about a 15% probability, when you combine the two events.
There's every chance we could finish 5th with no Cup win. Would crashing out the Europa to a medicore Belgian side still be viewed as a blessing?
We need to realise we're not too big for the Europa, or League Cup and take these competitions seriously. Sevilla have won the Europa 5 times in 10 seasons - they're now a big fish in Europe. Atelicto used it as a springboard to becoming a great side by winning it twice in recent years. Even Chelsea won it a few seaons back - they loved every minute, especially when the lifted the trophy, which is something we can only dream of.
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Finishing top 4 is not a lottery. We have 13 games left and plenty against bottom half sides. We are in a great position. 3rd favourites in fact, best priced at 4/9. Which is a 70% chance.
That is our bread and butter, as sorry as it is.
Continued participation in the Europa would only decrease our chances of an FA cup win or a top 4 finish. More than likely it would spread us too thin and we would fall short in all three.
Now we can go strong in every single game from here to May. Only a couple of midweek matches to worry about
We do not deserve to even be in the Europa anyway, we failed in the CL. Karma
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Fact of the matter is that we don't have the squad to contend with league and Europa. If we played a strong Europa team and progressed far everyone would complain when the league form fell off or players were tired
Proper transfer activity in the summer can rectify this. Buying players who can legitimately challenge our starting XI for their place rather than playing it nice and safe by replacing one lot of subs (Chadli, Mason, Carroll and N'Jie) with another batch (N'Koudou, Onomah, Winks and Janssen).
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Our squad isnt up to Europe, the league and a domestic cup?! Seriously? Thats a cop out, we must be the only club in europe that uses this excuse season after season.
The best teams compete on 3 or 4 fronts every season. We can barely focus on 2. Theres no excuse for that.
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No it certainly is not up to three competitions.
Rose and Walker are not going to be able to play every game, at such a high intensity.. That is without taking injuries in to account. The two who come in for them are nowhere near their level.
Wimmer is not trusted by Poch now. CCV is nowhere near first team regular quality yet. Dier only looks top notch in a three. We are light at the back.
Our midfield options are next to none. Dembele and Wanyama are quality. Dier is having to be our third CB rather than a midfield option. Winks is the next man, who is promising but not quite there yet. After that we are looking at Onomah.
Eriksen, Alli, Lamela and Son are good options for the forward positions. Although we have only had three available since November. Past that, Sissoko and GKN are not trusted by Poch.
Janssen is not an option to replace Kane yet. Not close. Not writing him off, but that is the situation right now.
So no, we do not have the sqaud for a challenge on three fronts.
Potentially the same group could be able to, but I feel Poch has missed his chance to get the squad players up to speed
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posted on 23/2/17
And why aren't we 'meh' to fans of other clubs? We've done nothing, apart from a couple of Top 4 finishes over the past decade.
posted on 23/2/17
comment by Zlatan The King Ibrahimovic (U10026)
posted 8 minutes ago
Spurs have won naff all and still sacked managers. Barca have won loads and still sacked managers. The two are unrelated.
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Ive just read your articles, we couldnt disagree more on anything in football. You sound like a glory hunter that doesnt watch any football. Shouts when you win or rivals lose
Stop posting on my article please
posted on 23/2/17
comment by The Rising Son (U6965)
posted 1 minute ago
And why aren't we 'meh' to fans of other clubs? We've done nothing, apart from a couple of Top 4 finishes over the past decade.
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We are a well run Club and Business
Levy would never see that happen to us. The new stadium will cement that, along with the new training ground i cant see the future being nothing but bright
posted on 23/2/17
comment by Wake me up before you MoPo (U17369)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by The Rising Son (U6965)
posted 1 minute ago
And why aren't we 'meh' to fans of other clubs? We've done nothing, apart from a couple of Top 4 finishes over the past decade.
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We are a well run Club and Business
Levy would never see that happen to us. The new stadium will cement that, along with the new training ground i cant see the future being nothing but bright
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The business side I agree we're fantastically well run. But my point is performance wise. Finishing 4th, but not winning anything, doesn't create a legacy. Look around us - Chelsea, Arsenal, city, Utd, Liverpool all win trophies - we don't, and crashing out of Europa against Gent isn't going to improve us
posted on 23/2/17
That's a load of balls.
Not sure why you're so upset about my comment anyway. Pointing out that clubs sack mamagers regardless of trophies won or not is clearly common sense, and doesn't really tie in with what PawlBawron said does it?
posted on 24/2/17
We are three games - one against a league one side at home - away from winning a trophy. The FA Cup
If we got through last night we would still be 7 games away from winning that one.
Make no mistake, if we do not qualify for the CL next season the vultures will be circling for our best players. It is essential we qualify for it.
This result, as annoying as it was, gives us the best chance of both winning the FA cup and finishing in the top 4.
Which would be a marvellous season
posted on 24/2/17
Bizarelly entitled Spurs fans, I never quite understand them
posted on 24/2/17
comment by HRH King Ledley (U20095)
posted 2 hours, 1 minute ago
We are three games - one against a league one side at home - away from winning a trophy. The FA Cup
If we got through last night we would still be 7 games away from winning that one.
Make no mistake, if we do not qualify for the CL next season the vultures will be circling for our best players. It is essential we qualify for it.
This result, as annoying as it was, gives us the best chance of both winning the FA cup and finishing in the top 4.
Which would be a marvellous season
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Agree a Top 4 and cup would be brilliant, but lets not get ahead of ourselves.
The chance of achieving that is slim.
Beating say, Chelsea in the semi then City in the final is a big ask. If we stand a 40% chance of winning each game, then winning the Cup is about a 20% probability.
Finishing Top 4 is also lottery - I'd say we have a 60% chance of finishing Top 4 given our current standing and fixture list.
So to win a Cup and finish Top 4 is about a 15% probability, when you combine the two events.
There's every chance we could finish 5th with no Cup win. Would crashing out the Europa to a medicore Belgian side still be viewed as a blessing?
We need to realise we're not too big for the Europa, or League Cup and take these competitions seriously. Sevilla have won the Europa 5 times in 10 seasons - they're now a big fish in Europe. Atelicto used it as a springboard to becoming a great side by winning it twice in recent years. Even Chelsea won it a few seaons back - they loved every minute, especially when the lifted the trophy, which is something we can only dream of.
posted on 24/2/17
comment by The Rising Son (U6965)
posted 4 hours, 23 minutes ago
comment by HRH King Ledley (U20095)
posted 2 hours, 1 minute ago
We are three games - one against a league one side at home - away from winning a trophy. The FA Cup
If we got through last night we would still be 7 games away from winning that one.
Make no mistake, if we do not qualify for the CL next season the vultures will be circling for our best players. It is essential we qualify for it.
This result, as annoying as it was, gives us the best chance of both winning the FA cup and finishing in the top 4.
Which would be a marvellous season
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Agree a Top 4 and cup would be brilliant, but lets not get ahead of ourselves.
The chance of achieving that is slim.
Beating say, Chelsea in the semi then City in the final is a big ask. If we stand a 40% chance of winning each game, then winning the Cup is about a 20% probability.
Finishing Top 4 is also lottery - I'd say we have a 60% chance of finishing Top 4 given our current standing and fixture list.
So to win a Cup and finish Top 4 is about a 15% probability, when you combine the two events.
There's every chance we could finish 5th with no Cup win. Would crashing out the Europa to a medicore Belgian side still be viewed as a blessing?
We need to realise we're not too big for the Europa, or League Cup and take these competitions seriously. Sevilla have won the Europa 5 times in 10 seasons - they're now a big fish in Europe. Atelicto used it as a springboard to becoming a great side by winning it twice in recent years. Even Chelsea won it a few seaons back - they loved every minute, especially when the lifted the trophy, which is something we can only dream of.
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Finishing top 4 is not a lottery. We have 13 games left and plenty against bottom half sides. We are in a great position. 3rd favourites in fact, best priced at 4/9. Which is a 70% chance.
That is our bread and butter, as sorry as it is.
Continued participation in the Europa would only decrease our chances of an FA cup win or a top 4 finish. More than likely it would spread us too thin and we would fall short in all three.
Now we can go strong in every single game from here to May. Only a couple of midweek matches to worry about
We do not deserve to even be in the Europa anyway, we failed in the CL. Karma
posted on 24/2/17
comment by HRH King Ledley (U20095)
posted 1 hour, 27 minutes ago
comment by The Rising Son (U6965)
posted 4 hours, 23 minutes ago
comment by HRH King Ledley (U20095)
posted 2 hours, 1 minute ago
We are three games - one against a league one side at home - away from winning a trophy. The FA Cup
If we got through last night we would still be 7 games away from winning that one.
Make no mistake, if we do not qualify for the CL next season the vultures will be circling for our best players. It is essential we qualify for it.
This result, as annoying as it was, gives us the best chance of both winning the FA cup and finishing in the top 4.
Which would be a marvellous season
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Agree a Top 4 and cup would be brilliant, but lets not get ahead of ourselves.
The chance of achieving that is slim.
Beating say, Chelsea in the semi then City in the final is a big ask. If we stand a 40% chance of winning each game, then winning the Cup is about a 20% probability.
Finishing Top 4 is also lottery - I'd say we have a 60% chance of finishing Top 4 given our current standing and fixture list.
So to win a Cup and finish Top 4 is about a 15% probability, when you combine the two events.
There's every chance we could finish 5th with no Cup win. Would crashing out the Europa to a medicore Belgian side still be viewed as a blessing?
We need to realise we're not too big for the Europa, or League Cup and take these competitions seriously. Sevilla have won the Europa 5 times in 10 seasons - they're now a big fish in Europe. Atelicto used it as a springboard to becoming a great side by winning it twice in recent years. Even Chelsea won it a few seaons back - they loved every minute, especially when the lifted the trophy, which is something we can only dream of.
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Finishing top 4 is not a lottery. We have 13 games left and plenty against bottom half sides. We are in a great position. 3rd favourites in fact, best priced at 4/9. Which is a 70% chance.
That is our bread and butter, as sorry as it is.
Continued participation in the Europa would only decrease our chances of an FA cup win or a top 4 finish. More than likely it would spread us too thin and we would fall short in all three.
Now we can go strong in every single game from here to May. Only a couple of midweek matches to worry about
We do not deserve to even be in the Europa anyway, we failed in the CL. Karma
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Fact of the matter is that we don't have the squad to contend with league and Europa. If we played a strong Europa team and progressed far everyone would complain when the league form fell off or players were tired
Proper transfer activity in the summer can rectify this. Buying players who can legitimately challenge our starting XI for their place rather than playing it nice and safe by replacing one lot of subs (Chadli, Mason, Carroll and N'Jie) with another batch (N'Koudou, Onomah, Winks and Janssen).
posted on 24/2/17
Popular opinion that we need to be in the Champions League to grow as a club.
Popular opinion that we need to start winning trophies.
Popular opinion that people would "prefer"(!...like it's a choice ) to win the FA Cup over the Europa (I personally "prefer" the Europa but I know from experience that I'm in the minority).
Popular opinion that our squad isn't good enough / deep enough to compete for all 4 trophies.
Popular opinion that we need to rotate the (limited) squad.
Popular opinion that the Thursday - Sunday schedule is detrimental to domestic success.
Wake me up before you MoPo suggests that the silver lining to going out last night was that our small squad have an improved chance of winning the FA Cup and securing the top 4. Not doing it, but now a greater chance - and everybody jumps on him for it
FYI - I was gutted we went out last night and would very happily finish 6th and win one or other (or both ) of the FA Cup or Europa. The Champs League is certianly not the be all and end all for me...we're not at that level yet as a club.
posted on 24/2/17
Exactly that. The squad is not up to it right now, by virtue of quality and/or players not being trusted by Poch.
If we went strong in all comps, relying on 14 players or so, if it hit the fan come Spring and we hit the wall, there would be moans about Poch for over-working players.
As it stands now, Poch has no excuse for us tailing off. No blaming the squad. We should have a real go at top 3 and the FA Cup now
The FA Cup semis (if we qualify) also fall the weekend after the European QF games, so if we face either of the Manc clubs we may well have that advantage too.
posted on 24/2/17
If we go on to win the FA Cup and finish top 4 I don't think any Spurs fan in the world would be bemoaning last night's result.
Last night's result clearly means we have a greater chance of doing the above.
Inspite of that - I did not want to go out last night, I want to see how far we can go in that comp, BUT I do accept that getting to quarter finals, semi finals...would inevitably mean the above scenario is highly unlikely.
Don't want to put words in Wake me up's mouth, but that's how I took is article and comments and can totally see his thinking. Those saying "we shouldn't sniff at any cup comp etc" have missed the / his point I think.
posted on 24/2/17
Yeah, fans are highly strung though.
Hows this for twisted?
I would happily have 'sacrificed' Europa by playing fringe players to concentrate on the FA cup and League.
Yet when I saw the strong line up I was happy, when thinking logically I should have been peed off.
I watched the game and was desperate to win.
After the game, I was very peed off.
Today I am back to thinking it is a good thing for us.
posted on 24/2/17
comment by hounslows-finest (U6180)
posted 19 hours, 21 minutes ago
comment by ♤WengersNearlyMen♤ (U5041)
posted 1 minute ago
Poch out time
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No khunts with manager out banners at our place boyo
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There will be if u continue to bottle finishing above us :
posted on 24/2/17
comment by HRH King Ledley (U20095)
posted 1 hour, 2 minutes ago
Exactly that. The squad is not up to it right now, by virtue of quality and/or players not being trusted by Poch.
If we went strong in all comps, relying on 14 players or so, if it hit the fan come Spring and we hit the wall, there would be moans about Poch for over-working players.
As it stands now, Poch has no excuse for us tailing off. No blaming the squad. We should have a real go at top 3 and the FA Cup now
The FA Cup semis (if we qualify) also fall the weekend after the European QF games, so if we face either of the Manc clubs we may well have that advantage too.
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Nail on the head again
13 league games and a maximum of 4 cup-ties.
All FA cup games are on scheduled PL gameweeks so there's the possibility of 2 midweek league games before the weekend league game for the 'squad' to handle - when I say squad I'm referring to the 15 or so outfield players we can realistically expect to get the job done.
Destiny is in our hands and we're just about at a level playing field with Arsenal and Liverpool in terms of the number of remaining fixtures - as well as Chelsea who are likely to be out of reach.
Let's see what Poch and the players are made of
posted on 24/2/17
comment by Ledders The King - Football Manager Icon (U20121)
posted 3 hours, 6 minutes ago
comment by HRH King Ledley (U20095)
posted 1 hour, 27 minutes ago
comment by The Rising Son (U6965)
posted 4 hours, 23 minutes ago
comment by HRH King Ledley (U20095)
posted 2 hours, 1 minute ago
We are three games - one against a league one side at home - away from winning a trophy. The FA Cup
If we got through last night we would still be 7 games away from winning that one.
Make no mistake, if we do not qualify for the CL next season the vultures will be circling for our best players. It is essential we qualify for it.
This result, as annoying as it was, gives us the best chance of both winning the FA cup and finishing in the top 4.
Which would be a marvellous season
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Agree a Top 4 and cup would be brilliant, but lets not get ahead of ourselves.
The chance of achieving that is slim.
Beating say, Chelsea in the semi then City in the final is a big ask. If we stand a 40% chance of winning each game, then winning the Cup is about a 20% probability.
Finishing Top 4 is also lottery - I'd say we have a 60% chance of finishing Top 4 given our current standing and fixture list.
So to win a Cup and finish Top 4 is about a 15% probability, when you combine the two events.
There's every chance we could finish 5th with no Cup win. Would crashing out the Europa to a medicore Belgian side still be viewed as a blessing?
We need to realise we're not too big for the Europa, or League Cup and take these competitions seriously. Sevilla have won the Europa 5 times in 10 seasons - they're now a big fish in Europe. Atelicto used it as a springboard to becoming a great side by winning it twice in recent years. Even Chelsea won it a few seaons back - they loved every minute, especially when the lifted the trophy, which is something we can only dream of.
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Finishing top 4 is not a lottery. We have 13 games left and plenty against bottom half sides. We are in a great position. 3rd favourites in fact, best priced at 4/9. Which is a 70% chance.
That is our bread and butter, as sorry as it is.
Continued participation in the Europa would only decrease our chances of an FA cup win or a top 4 finish. More than likely it would spread us too thin and we would fall short in all three.
Now we can go strong in every single game from here to May. Only a couple of midweek matches to worry about
We do not deserve to even be in the Europa anyway, we failed in the CL. Karma
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Fact of the matter is that we don't have the squad to contend with league and Europa. If we played a strong Europa team and progressed far everyone would complain when the league form fell off or players were tired
Proper transfer activity in the summer can rectify this. Buying players who can legitimately challenge our starting XI for their place rather than playing it nice and safe by replacing one lot of subs (Chadli, Mason, Carroll and N'Jie) with another batch (N'Koudou, Onomah, Winks and Janssen).
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Our squad isnt up to Europe, the league and a domestic cup?! Seriously? Thats a cop out, we must be the only club in europe that uses this excuse season after season.
The best teams compete on 3 or 4 fronts every season. We can barely focus on 2. Theres no excuse for that.
posted on 24/2/17
comment by The Rising Son (U6965)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Ledders The King - Football Manager Icon (U20121)
posted 3 hours, 6 minutes ago
comment by HRH King Ledley (U20095)
posted 1 hour, 27 minutes ago
comment by The Rising Son (U6965)
posted 4 hours, 23 minutes ago
comment by HRH King Ledley (U20095)
posted 2 hours, 1 minute ago
We are three games - one against a league one side at home - away from winning a trophy. The FA Cup
If we got through last night we would still be 7 games away from winning that one.
Make no mistake, if we do not qualify for the CL next season the vultures will be circling for our best players. It is essential we qualify for it.
This result, as annoying as it was, gives us the best chance of both winning the FA cup and finishing in the top 4.
Which would be a marvellous season
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Agree a Top 4 and cup would be brilliant, but lets not get ahead of ourselves.
The chance of achieving that is slim.
Beating say, Chelsea in the semi then City in the final is a big ask. If we stand a 40% chance of winning each game, then winning the Cup is about a 20% probability.
Finishing Top 4 is also lottery - I'd say we have a 60% chance of finishing Top 4 given our current standing and fixture list.
So to win a Cup and finish Top 4 is about a 15% probability, when you combine the two events.
There's every chance we could finish 5th with no Cup win. Would crashing out the Europa to a medicore Belgian side still be viewed as a blessing?
We need to realise we're not too big for the Europa, or League Cup and take these competitions seriously. Sevilla have won the Europa 5 times in 10 seasons - they're now a big fish in Europe. Atelicto used it as a springboard to becoming a great side by winning it twice in recent years. Even Chelsea won it a few seaons back - they loved every minute, especially when the lifted the trophy, which is something we can only dream of.
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Finishing top 4 is not a lottery. We have 13 games left and plenty against bottom half sides. We are in a great position. 3rd favourites in fact, best priced at 4/9. Which is a 70% chance.
That is our bread and butter, as sorry as it is.
Continued participation in the Europa would only decrease our chances of an FA cup win or a top 4 finish. More than likely it would spread us too thin and we would fall short in all three.
Now we can go strong in every single game from here to May. Only a couple of midweek matches to worry about
We do not deserve to even be in the Europa anyway, we failed in the CL. Karma
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Fact of the matter is that we don't have the squad to contend with league and Europa. If we played a strong Europa team and progressed far everyone would complain when the league form fell off or players were tired
Proper transfer activity in the summer can rectify this. Buying players who can legitimately challenge our starting XI for their place rather than playing it nice and safe by replacing one lot of subs (Chadli, Mason, Carroll and N'Jie) with another batch (N'Koudou, Onomah, Winks and Janssen).
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Our squad isnt up to Europe, the league and a domestic cup?! Seriously? Thats a cop out, we must be the only club in europe that uses this excuse season after season.
The best teams compete on 3 or 4 fronts every season. We can barely focus on 2. Theres no excuse for that.
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So who are these 20 or so outfield players that we have that are genuinely capable of competing for 60 games per season? (I'm talking top 4 finish, all cup quarter-finals) Please feel free to list them below:
posted on 25/2/17
comment by The Rising Son (U6965)
posted 13 hours, 13 minutes ago
comment by Ledders The King - Football Manager Icon (U20121)
posted 3 hours, 6 minutes ago
comment by HRH King Ledley (U20095)
posted 1 hour, 27 minutes ago
comment by The Rising Son (U6965)
posted 4 hours, 23 minutes ago
comment by HRH King Ledley (U20095)
posted 2 hours, 1 minute ago
We are three games - one against a league one side at home - away from winning a trophy. The FA Cup
If we got through last night we would still be 7 games away from winning that one.
Make no mistake, if we do not qualify for the CL next season the vultures will be circling for our best players. It is essential we qualify for it.
This result, as annoying as it was, gives us the best chance of both winning the FA cup and finishing in the top 4.
Which would be a marvellous season
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Agree a Top 4 and cup would be brilliant, but lets not get ahead of ourselves.
The chance of achieving that is slim.
Beating say, Chelsea in the semi then City in the final is a big ask. If we stand a 40% chance of winning each game, then winning the Cup is about a 20% probability.
Finishing Top 4 is also lottery - I'd say we have a 60% chance of finishing Top 4 given our current standing and fixture list.
So to win a Cup and finish Top 4 is about a 15% probability, when you combine the two events.
There's every chance we could finish 5th with no Cup win. Would crashing out the Europa to a medicore Belgian side still be viewed as a blessing?
We need to realise we're not too big for the Europa, or League Cup and take these competitions seriously. Sevilla have won the Europa 5 times in 10 seasons - they're now a big fish in Europe. Atelicto used it as a springboard to becoming a great side by winning it twice in recent years. Even Chelsea won it a few seaons back - they loved every minute, especially when the lifted the trophy, which is something we can only dream of.
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Finishing top 4 is not a lottery. We have 13 games left and plenty against bottom half sides. We are in a great position. 3rd favourites in fact, best priced at 4/9. Which is a 70% chance.
That is our bread and butter, as sorry as it is.
Continued participation in the Europa would only decrease our chances of an FA cup win or a top 4 finish. More than likely it would spread us too thin and we would fall short in all three.
Now we can go strong in every single game from here to May. Only a couple of midweek matches to worry about
We do not deserve to even be in the Europa anyway, we failed in the CL. Karma
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Fact of the matter is that we don't have the squad to contend with league and Europa. If we played a strong Europa team and progressed far everyone would complain when the league form fell off or players were tired
Proper transfer activity in the summer can rectify this. Buying players who can legitimately challenge our starting XI for their place rather than playing it nice and safe by replacing one lot of subs (Chadli, Mason, Carroll and N'Jie) with another batch (N'Koudou, Onomah, Winks and Janssen).
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Our squad isnt up to Europe, the league and a domestic cup?! Seriously? Thats a cop out, we must be the only club in europe that uses this excuse season after season.
The best teams compete on 3 or 4 fronts every season. We can barely focus on 2. Theres no excuse for that.
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No it certainly is not up to three competitions.
Rose and Walker are not going to be able to play every game, at such a high intensity.. That is without taking injuries in to account. The two who come in for them are nowhere near their level.
Wimmer is not trusted by Poch now. CCV is nowhere near first team regular quality yet. Dier only looks top notch in a three. We are light at the back.
Our midfield options are next to none. Dembele and Wanyama are quality. Dier is having to be our third CB rather than a midfield option. Winks is the next man, who is promising but not quite there yet. After that we are looking at Onomah.
Eriksen, Alli, Lamela and Son are good options for the forward positions. Although we have only had three available since November. Past that, Sissoko and GKN are not trusted by Poch.
Janssen is not an option to replace Kane yet. Not close. Not writing him off, but that is the situation right now.
So no, we do not have the sqaud for a challenge on three fronts.
Potentially the same group could be able to, but I feel Poch has missed his chance to get the squad players up to speed
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