It's shameful now but back then it was part and parcel of life. Are we all menat to go on apologising for things that happened so long ago ffs?
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I'm not saying you have to apologize for it. The lessons have been learned and it's been put behind us. As I said in my OP.
But (again as I said at the start) you can't market a club as being open to all throughout its history when it's patently untrue.
Well you can. But it's a lie.
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posted 33 seconds ago
When was this meant to have happened btw?
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When he was reserve team manager.
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1957?
19 fwcking 57 ffs
Christ. That was even before the days of "Love Thy Neighbour" was seen as topical humour.
Weren't the Black and White Minstrels out a decade later?
So we've established that racism and allegedly sectarian divides abounded back before the heady free love days of the 60's. Yeah I can understand that.
Honest to fwck man this really is desperate stuff.
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Cool. We can write off our sectarianism as well then from the arbitrary date you've ascribed as to when it became bad?
Ffs that is desperate.
"Celtic - A club open to all (Since the 1960s)"
Doesn't have the same ring to it....
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Who said anything about writing it off?
This is getting more bizarre by the minute.
It's something that in the past was seen as part and parcel of life. It wasn't much longer after that society saw it as unacceptable because we all (well most of us anyway) learned from it and moved on and became more tolerant.
Yet here is you dragging it back up because you think it's topical and wanting some kind of debate on it when it's as clear as day it's a mud slinging and point scoring exercise.
ffs. This is laughable.
There's your lecture whether you want it or not
comment by Partick Bateman (U14112)
posted 1 minute ago
It's shameful now but back then it was part and parcel of life. Are we all menat to go on apologising for things that happened so long ago ffs?
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I'm not saying you have to apologize for it. The lessons have been learned and it's been put behind us. As I said in my OP.
But (again as I said at the start) you can't market a club as being open to all throughout its history when it's patently untrue.
Well you can. But it's a lie.
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It's not a lie though is it?
We are a club open to all.
And get this. So is Rangers.
You say it's behind us all but state you won't take lectures. Surely some disconnect there?
comment by Partick Bateman (U14112)
posted 1 minute ago
It's shameful now but back then it was part and parcel of life. Are we all menat to go on apologising for things that happened so long ago ffs?
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I'm not saying you have to apologize for it. The lessons have been learned and it's been put behind us. As I said in my OP.
But (again as I said at the start) you can't market a club as being open to all throughout its history when it's patently untrue.
Well you can. But it's a lie.
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Is it ok to say 'open to all throughout history, apart from maybe a 5 year period if you wanted to be the manager.'?
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posted 53 seconds ago
comment by Partick Bateman (U14112)
posted 1 minute ago
It's shameful now but back then it was part and parcel of life. Are we all menat to go on apologising for things that happened so long ago ffs?
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I'm not saying you have to apologize for it. The lessons have been learned and it's been put behind us. As I said in my OP.
But (again as I said at the start) you can't market a club as being open to all throughout its history when it's patently untrue.
Well you can. But it's a lie.
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Is it ok to say 'open to all throughout history, apart from maybe a 5 year period if you wanted to be the manager.'?
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I don't know anyone who says anything other than "A club open to all".
Which we are
Clearly Celtic are the more welcoming of the two clubs, always have been.
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 23 seconds ago
comment by Partick Bateman (U14112)
posted 1 minute ago
It's shameful now but back then it was part and parcel of life. Are we all menat to go on apologising for things that happened so long ago ffs?
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I'm not saying you have to apologize for it. The lessons have been learned and it's been put behind us. As I said in my OP.
But (again as I said at the start) you can't market a club as being open to all throughout its history when it's patently untrue.
Well you can. But it's a lie.
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It's not a lie though is it?
We are a club open to all.
And get this. So is Rangers.
You say it's behind us all but state you won't take lectures. Surely some disconnect there?
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Peter Lawell :
“This is a club since 1888 has welcomed everyone and has been diverse and open to all.”
That's not true is it?
When a person is excluded from the top job based on his religion then that club hasn't been open to all throughout its history.
And that is my problem with Celtic continually propagating this statement.
It's simply not true.
I think when we already had players, captains and obviously a reserve team coach who were not of a proscribed religion, then I'm quite happy for is to retain the mantra that we're open to all. When the only allegation is that MAYBE someone wouldn't get a post due to not being a catholic, then we can put that down to one person's interpretation of circumstances. The fact that this was shown not to be the case a mere 5 years later (and we still had the same manager during that time) kinda says that this is a mountain out of a molehill, rather than a long term policy.
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comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 23 seconds ago
comment by Partick Bateman (U14112)
posted 1 minute ago
It's shameful now but back then it was part and parcel of life. Are we all menat to go on apologising for things that happened so long ago ffs?
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I'm not saying you have to apologize for it. The lessons have been learned and it's been put behind us. As I said in my OP.
But (again as I said at the start) you can't market a club as being open to all throughout its history when it's patently untrue.
Well you can. But it's a lie.
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It's not a lie though is it?
We are a club open to all.
And get this. So is Rangers.
You say it's behind us all but state you won't take lectures. Surely some disconnect there?
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Peter Lawell :
“This is a club since 1888 has welcomed everyone and has been diverse and open to all.”
That's not true is it?
When a person is excluded from the top job based on his religion then that club hasn't been open to all throughout its history.
And that is my problem with Celtic continually propagating this statement.
It's simply not true.
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Ahahahahahaha!!!! Brilliant!!!!
'Aye bit, there was this one time, in band camp...'
I'm just raging we haven't continued this sectarian stance.
So we are talking about 1957.
Do you know who the club captain was in 1957?
Bertie Peacock.
Who was a proud orange man from Coleraine. He wasn't just a Northern Ireland protestant, he was proud to be an orange order member.
How can anyone say we had a sectarian policy in 1957, when not only a regular starter, but the captain of the team, was a proud Northern Irish protestant, and was accepted and loved by the fans?
comment by My POV-apparently I'm pedantic. (U10636)
posted 23 seconds ago
comment by Partick Bateman (U14112)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 23 seconds ago
comment by Partick Bateman (U14112)
posted 1 minute ago
It's shameful now but back then it was part and parcel of life. Are we all menat to go on apologising for things that happened so long ago ffs?
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I'm not saying you have to apologize for it. The lessons have been learned and it's been put behind us. As I said in my OP.
But (again as I said at the start) you can't market a club as being open to all throughout its history when it's patently untrue.
Well you can. But it's a lie.
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It's not a lie though is it?
We are a club open to all.
And get this. So is Rangers.
You say it's behind us all but state you won't take lectures. Surely some disconnect there?
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Peter Lawell :
“This is a club since 1888 has welcomed everyone and has been diverse and open to all.”
That's not true is it?
When a person is excluded from the top job based on his religion then that club hasn't been open to all throughout its history.
And that is my problem with Celtic continually propagating this statement.
It's simply not true.
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Ahahahahahaha!!!! Brilliant!!!!
'Aye bit, there was this one time, in band camp...'
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Wtf?
comment by NNH (U10730)
posted 14 seconds ago
I'm just raging we haven't continued this sectarian stance.
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We have. But we just do it sporadically. Like, 3 or 4 months at a time. Sometimes 6 months. Then we go 'aye, just let them in again. Fvck it.'
comment by Partick Bateman (U14112)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 23 seconds ago
comment by Partick Bateman (U14112)
posted 1 minute ago
It's shameful now but back then it was part and parcel of life. Are we all menat to go on apologising for things that happened so long ago ffs?
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I'm not saying you have to apologize for it. The lessons have been learned and it's been put behind us. As I said in my OP.
But (again as I said at the start) you can't market a club as being open to all throughout its history when it's patently untrue.
Well you can. But it's a lie.
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It's not a lie though is it?
We are a club open to all.
And get this. So is Rangers.
You say it's behind us all but state you won't take lectures. Surely some disconnect there?
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Peter Lawell :
“This is a club since 1888 has welcomed everyone and has been diverse and open to all.”
That's not true is it?
When a person is excluded from the top job based on his religion then that club hasn't been open to all throughout its history.
And that is my problem with Celtic continually propagating this statement.
It's simply not true.
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What?
He says he thinks he didn't get the managers job because of his religion so now suddenly we haven't been a club open to all?
Pulleeeease.
I once didn't get a job many years ago because I thought the interviewer hated Scots and was a cwnt.
I at least know one of the above was true.
I think.
Or it could have been something else. .
Never mind. They're my thoughts anyway and as a result that company cannot possibly be open to all. Can it?
He says he thinks he didn't get the managers job because of his religion so now suddenly we haven't been a club open to all?
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No he says he was told that.
What I don't get is why would he lie?
And also why wouldn't you believe him?
It will be interesting to see the interview anyway.
PB-you completely neglect the fact that Stein says Kelly stated he THOUGHT he might have gone as far as he can as a non catholic. It was his opinion and opinion only. Now, no one apart from those in the boardroom can say if that would be the case. It seems odd to me that as far as everything else goes, that was never an issue. Can be a player, can be a captain, can be any colour-but you can't be the manager?!?
It's Stein relaying another man's interpretation. It's hardly rewriting history.
It will be interesting to see the interview anyway.
Will you stick it on after watching a re-run of the Champions League final win at Firhill 2 weeks ago?
comment by Cut me, Mick, cut me (U20769)
posted 5 minutes ago
So we are talking about 1957.
Do you know who the club captain was in 1957?
Bertie Peacock.
Who was a proud orange man from Coleraine. He wasn't just a Northern Ireland protestant, he was proud to be an orange order member.
How can anyone say we had a sectarian policy in 1957, when not only a regular starter, but the captain of the team, was a proud Northern Irish protestant, and was accepted and loved by the fans?
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Slipped through the net mate. He signed during one of the months we were open to all.
comment by Partick Bateman (U14112)
posted 17 seconds ago
He says he thinks he didn't get the managers job because of his religion so now suddenly we haven't been a club open to all?
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No he says he was told that.
What I don't get is why would he lie?
And also why wouldn't you believe him?
It will be interesting to see the interview anyway.
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I've no idea. He may well have said it and it may well be true. I also don't know who said it to him so maybe that individual was speaking for himself and not the club as an entity. I genuinely don't know.
What I do know is that there are murky things in the past from both clubs and wothoitbgoing into detail we all know exactly what they are.
My point being however that surely you can see why others would see this thread as just being point scoring or wummery. Especially when you say you're glad it's all behind us but.......
Well my point is that whilst the sectarianism is behind us I don't think it's valid to say Celtic have been open to all throughout their history.
As for wether this wummery or point scoring - I'll leave the Celtic fans to decide - I think that's how it works...
PB try not to think to hard
comment by Partick Bateman (U14112)
posted 1 minute ago
Well my point is that whilst the sectarianism is behind us I don't think it's valid to say Celtic have been open to all throughout their history.
As for wether this wummery or point scoring - I'll leave the Celtic fans to decide - I think that's how it works...
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I'm afraid your point is very wrong sadly.
Sectarianism is alive and well and running on full healthy tanks these days. As well we all know.
And yes I've decided it was a point scoring post. I've no problems with that though.
comment by Partick Bateman (U14112)
posted 31 seconds ago
Well my point is that whilst the sectarianism is behind us I don't think it's valid to say Celtic have been open to all throughout their history.
As for wether this wummery or point scoring - I'll leave the Celtic fans to decide - I think that's how it works...
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Of course you don't think it's valid. Because it sticks in your craw that we can say it! You're hanging on one man saying what another man's interpretation of the situation was, in a desperate bid to believe you can debunk a statement!! Despite all the evidence before you, your chronic desire to point score blinds you to every other factual piece of evidence!
If Stein said that, then I've no doubt he believes that to be the case. But what he believes is one man's reading of the circumstances were at that time, and your continual ignorance of all the other facts given to you in this thread show that yes, you are trying to point score.
comment by Willmcq (U9152)
posted 54 minutes ago
of course they did
i have no idea if they have as unlike the season ticket burning clowns at ibrox when Mo was signed, i have no interest in colour or religion.
Where there many Celtic Fans buring season books when Stein was appointed manager? i am not then old so was not alive then
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Another myth.
One season ticket was returned. One.
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Partick Bateman (U14112)
posted 1 minute ago
Well my point is that whilst the sectarianism is behind us I don't think it's valid to say Celtic have been open to all throughout their history.
As for wether this wummery or point scoring - I'll leave the Celtic fans to decide - I think that's how it works...
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I'm afraid your point is very wrong sadly.
Sectarianism is alive and well and running on full healthy tanks these days. As well we all know.
And yes I've decided it was a point scoring post. I've no problems with that though.
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Oh i meant at an institutional level.
Even generally I'm optimistic that it is reducing. Or maybe it's just hidden.
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posted on 19/5/17
It's shameful now but back then it was part and parcel of life. Are we all menat to go on apologising for things that happened so long ago ffs?
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I'm not saying you have to apologize for it. The lessons have been learned and it's been put behind us. As I said in my OP.
But (again as I said at the start) you can't market a club as being open to all throughout its history when it's patently untrue.
Well you can. But it's a lie.
posted on 19/5/17
comment by Partick Bateman (U14112)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 38 seconds ago
comment by Partick Bateman (U14112)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 33 seconds ago
When was this meant to have happened btw?
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When he was reserve team manager.
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1957?
19 fwcking 57 ffs
Christ. That was even before the days of "Love Thy Neighbour" was seen as topical humour.
Weren't the Black and White Minstrels out a decade later?
So we've established that racism and allegedly sectarian divides abounded back before the heady free love days of the 60's. Yeah I can understand that.
Honest to fwck man this really is desperate stuff.
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Cool. We can write off our sectarianism as well then from the arbitrary date you've ascribed as to when it became bad?
Ffs that is desperate.
"Celtic - A club open to all (Since the 1960s)"
Doesn't have the same ring to it....
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Who said anything about writing it off?
This is getting more bizarre by the minute.
It's something that in the past was seen as part and parcel of life. It wasn't much longer after that society saw it as unacceptable because we all (well most of us anyway) learned from it and moved on and became more tolerant.
Yet here is you dragging it back up because you think it's topical and wanting some kind of debate on it when it's as clear as day it's a mud slinging and point scoring exercise.
ffs. This is laughable.
There's your lecture whether you want it or not
posted on 19/5/17
comment by Partick Bateman (U14112)
posted 1 minute ago
It's shameful now but back then it was part and parcel of life. Are we all menat to go on apologising for things that happened so long ago ffs?
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I'm not saying you have to apologize for it. The lessons have been learned and it's been put behind us. As I said in my OP.
But (again as I said at the start) you can't market a club as being open to all throughout its history when it's patently untrue.
Well you can. But it's a lie.
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It's not a lie though is it?
We are a club open to all.
And get this. So is Rangers.
You say it's behind us all but state you won't take lectures. Surely some disconnect there?
posted on 19/5/17
comment by Partick Bateman (U14112)
posted 1 minute ago
It's shameful now but back then it was part and parcel of life. Are we all menat to go on apologising for things that happened so long ago ffs?
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I'm not saying you have to apologize for it. The lessons have been learned and it's been put behind us. As I said in my OP.
But (again as I said at the start) you can't market a club as being open to all throughout its history when it's patently untrue.
Well you can. But it's a lie.
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Is it ok to say 'open to all throughout history, apart from maybe a 5 year period if you wanted to be the manager.'?
posted on 19/5/17
comment by My POV-apparently I'm pedantic. (U10636)
posted 53 seconds ago
comment by Partick Bateman (U14112)
posted 1 minute ago
It's shameful now but back then it was part and parcel of life. Are we all menat to go on apologising for things that happened so long ago ffs?
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I'm not saying you have to apologize for it. The lessons have been learned and it's been put behind us. As I said in my OP.
But (again as I said at the start) you can't market a club as being open to all throughout its history when it's patently untrue.
Well you can. But it's a lie.
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Is it ok to say 'open to all throughout history, apart from maybe a 5 year period if you wanted to be the manager.'?
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I don't know anyone who says anything other than "A club open to all".
Which we are
posted on 19/5/17
Clearly Celtic are the more welcoming of the two clubs, always have been.
posted on 19/5/17
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 23 seconds ago
comment by Partick Bateman (U14112)
posted 1 minute ago
It's shameful now but back then it was part and parcel of life. Are we all menat to go on apologising for things that happened so long ago ffs?
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I'm not saying you have to apologize for it. The lessons have been learned and it's been put behind us. As I said in my OP.
But (again as I said at the start) you can't market a club as being open to all throughout its history when it's patently untrue.
Well you can. But it's a lie.
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It's not a lie though is it?
We are a club open to all.
And get this. So is Rangers.
You say it's behind us all but state you won't take lectures. Surely some disconnect there?
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Peter Lawell :
“This is a club since 1888 has welcomed everyone and has been diverse and open to all.”
That's not true is it?
When a person is excluded from the top job based on his religion then that club hasn't been open to all throughout its history.
And that is my problem with Celtic continually propagating this statement.
It's simply not true.
posted on 19/5/17
I think when we already had players, captains and obviously a reserve team coach who were not of a proscribed religion, then I'm quite happy for is to retain the mantra that we're open to all. When the only allegation is that MAYBE someone wouldn't get a post due to not being a catholic, then we can put that down to one person's interpretation of circumstances. The fact that this was shown not to be the case a mere 5 years later (and we still had the same manager during that time) kinda says that this is a mountain out of a molehill, rather than a long term policy.
posted on 19/5/17
comment by Partick Bateman (U14112)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 23 seconds ago
comment by Partick Bateman (U14112)
posted 1 minute ago
It's shameful now but back then it was part and parcel of life. Are we all menat to go on apologising for things that happened so long ago ffs?
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I'm not saying you have to apologize for it. The lessons have been learned and it's been put behind us. As I said in my OP.
But (again as I said at the start) you can't market a club as being open to all throughout its history when it's patently untrue.
Well you can. But it's a lie.
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It's not a lie though is it?
We are a club open to all.
And get this. So is Rangers.
You say it's behind us all but state you won't take lectures. Surely some disconnect there?
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Peter Lawell :
“This is a club since 1888 has welcomed everyone and has been diverse and open to all.”
That's not true is it?
When a person is excluded from the top job based on his religion then that club hasn't been open to all throughout its history.
And that is my problem with Celtic continually propagating this statement.
It's simply not true.
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Ahahahahahaha!!!! Brilliant!!!!
'Aye bit, there was this one time, in band camp...'
posted on 19/5/17
I'm just raging we haven't continued this sectarian stance.
posted on 19/5/17
So we are talking about 1957.
Do you know who the club captain was in 1957?
Bertie Peacock.
Who was a proud orange man from Coleraine. He wasn't just a Northern Ireland protestant, he was proud to be an orange order member.
How can anyone say we had a sectarian policy in 1957, when not only a regular starter, but the captain of the team, was a proud Northern Irish protestant, and was accepted and loved by the fans?
posted on 19/5/17
comment by My POV-apparently I'm pedantic. (U10636)
posted 23 seconds ago
comment by Partick Bateman (U14112)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 23 seconds ago
comment by Partick Bateman (U14112)
posted 1 minute ago
It's shameful now but back then it was part and parcel of life. Are we all menat to go on apologising for things that happened so long ago ffs?
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I'm not saying you have to apologize for it. The lessons have been learned and it's been put behind us. As I said in my OP.
But (again as I said at the start) you can't market a club as being open to all throughout its history when it's patently untrue.
Well you can. But it's a lie.
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It's not a lie though is it?
We are a club open to all.
And get this. So is Rangers.
You say it's behind us all but state you won't take lectures. Surely some disconnect there?
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Peter Lawell :
“This is a club since 1888 has welcomed everyone and has been diverse and open to all.”
That's not true is it?
When a person is excluded from the top job based on his religion then that club hasn't been open to all throughout its history.
And that is my problem with Celtic continually propagating this statement.
It's simply not true.
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Ahahahahahaha!!!! Brilliant!!!!
'Aye bit, there was this one time, in band camp...'
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Wtf?
posted on 19/5/17
comment by NNH (U10730)
posted 14 seconds ago
I'm just raging we haven't continued this sectarian stance.
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We have. But we just do it sporadically. Like, 3 or 4 months at a time. Sometimes 6 months. Then we go 'aye, just let them in again. Fvck it.'
posted on 19/5/17
comment by Partick Bateman (U14112)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 23 seconds ago
comment by Partick Bateman (U14112)
posted 1 minute ago
It's shameful now but back then it was part and parcel of life. Are we all menat to go on apologising for things that happened so long ago ffs?
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I'm not saying you have to apologize for it. The lessons have been learned and it's been put behind us. As I said in my OP.
But (again as I said at the start) you can't market a club as being open to all throughout its history when it's patently untrue.
Well you can. But it's a lie.
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It's not a lie though is it?
We are a club open to all.
And get this. So is Rangers.
You say it's behind us all but state you won't take lectures. Surely some disconnect there?
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Peter Lawell :
“This is a club since 1888 has welcomed everyone and has been diverse and open to all.”
That's not true is it?
When a person is excluded from the top job based on his religion then that club hasn't been open to all throughout its history.
And that is my problem with Celtic continually propagating this statement.
It's simply not true.
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What?
He says he thinks he didn't get the managers job because of his religion so now suddenly we haven't been a club open to all?
Pulleeeease.
I once didn't get a job many years ago because I thought the interviewer hated Scots and was a cwnt.
I at least know one of the above was true.
I think.
Or it could have been something else. .
Never mind. They're my thoughts anyway and as a result that company cannot possibly be open to all. Can it?
posted on 19/5/17
He says he thinks he didn't get the managers job because of his religion so now suddenly we haven't been a club open to all?
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No he says he was told that.
What I don't get is why would he lie?
And also why wouldn't you believe him?
It will be interesting to see the interview anyway.
posted on 19/5/17
PB-you completely neglect the fact that Stein says Kelly stated he THOUGHT he might have gone as far as he can as a non catholic. It was his opinion and opinion only. Now, no one apart from those in the boardroom can say if that would be the case. It seems odd to me that as far as everything else goes, that was never an issue. Can be a player, can be a captain, can be any colour-but you can't be the manager?!?
It's Stein relaying another man's interpretation. It's hardly rewriting history.
posted on 19/5/17
It will be interesting to see the interview anyway.
Will you stick it on after watching a re-run of the Champions League final win at Firhill 2 weeks ago?
posted on 19/5/17
comment by Cut me, Mick, cut me (U20769)
posted 5 minutes ago
So we are talking about 1957.
Do you know who the club captain was in 1957?
Bertie Peacock.
Who was a proud orange man from Coleraine. He wasn't just a Northern Ireland protestant, he was proud to be an orange order member.
How can anyone say we had a sectarian policy in 1957, when not only a regular starter, but the captain of the team, was a proud Northern Irish protestant, and was accepted and loved by the fans?
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Slipped through the net mate. He signed during one of the months we were open to all.
posted on 19/5/17
comment by Partick Bateman (U14112)
posted 17 seconds ago
He says he thinks he didn't get the managers job because of his religion so now suddenly we haven't been a club open to all?
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No he says he was told that.
What I don't get is why would he lie?
And also why wouldn't you believe him?
It will be interesting to see the interview anyway.
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I've no idea. He may well have said it and it may well be true. I also don't know who said it to him so maybe that individual was speaking for himself and not the club as an entity. I genuinely don't know.
What I do know is that there are murky things in the past from both clubs and wothoitbgoing into detail we all know exactly what they are.
My point being however that surely you can see why others would see this thread as just being point scoring or wummery. Especially when you say you're glad it's all behind us but.......
posted on 19/5/17
Well my point is that whilst the sectarianism is behind us I don't think it's valid to say Celtic have been open to all throughout their history.
As for wether this wummery or point scoring - I'll leave the Celtic fans to decide - I think that's how it works...
posted on 19/5/17
PB try not to think to hard
posted on 19/5/17
comment by Partick Bateman (U14112)
posted 1 minute ago
Well my point is that whilst the sectarianism is behind us I don't think it's valid to say Celtic have been open to all throughout their history.
As for wether this wummery or point scoring - I'll leave the Celtic fans to decide - I think that's how it works...
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I'm afraid your point is very wrong sadly.
Sectarianism is alive and well and running on full healthy tanks these days. As well we all know.
And yes I've decided it was a point scoring post. I've no problems with that though.
posted on 19/5/17
comment by Partick Bateman (U14112)
posted 31 seconds ago
Well my point is that whilst the sectarianism is behind us I don't think it's valid to say Celtic have been open to all throughout their history.
As for wether this wummery or point scoring - I'll leave the Celtic fans to decide - I think that's how it works...
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Of course you don't think it's valid. Because it sticks in your craw that we can say it! You're hanging on one man saying what another man's interpretation of the situation was, in a desperate bid to believe you can debunk a statement!! Despite all the evidence before you, your chronic desire to point score blinds you to every other factual piece of evidence!
If Stein said that, then I've no doubt he believes that to be the case. But what he believes is one man's reading of the circumstances were at that time, and your continual ignorance of all the other facts given to you in this thread show that yes, you are trying to point score.
posted on 19/5/17
comment by Willmcq (U9152)
posted 54 minutes ago
of course they did
i have no idea if they have as unlike the season ticket burning clowns at ibrox when Mo was signed, i have no interest in colour or religion.
Where there many Celtic Fans buring season books when Stein was appointed manager? i am not then old so was not alive then
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Another myth.
One season ticket was returned. One.
posted on 19/5/17
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Partick Bateman (U14112)
posted 1 minute ago
Well my point is that whilst the sectarianism is behind us I don't think it's valid to say Celtic have been open to all throughout their history.
As for wether this wummery or point scoring - I'll leave the Celtic fans to decide - I think that's how it works...
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I'm afraid your point is very wrong sadly.
Sectarianism is alive and well and running on full healthy tanks these days. As well we all know.
And yes I've decided it was a point scoring post. I've no problems with that though.
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Oh i meant at an institutional level.
Even generally I'm optimistic that it is reducing. Or maybe it's just hidden.
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