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YouGov: Rishi Sunak’s net favourability has dropped to new low of -15 following his spring statement
Favourable: 36% (-3 from 22-23 Mar)
Unfavourable: 51% (+7%)
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How’s the Labour lead looking? Voting intentions?
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Westminster voting intention:
LAB: 40% (+1)
CON: 35% (-1)
LDEM: 11% (+1)
GRN: 7% (+1)
REF: 2% (-2)
via @RedfieldWilton, 20 Mar
Chgs. w/ 13 Mar
Last one I could find from Monday
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Westminster voting intention:
CON: 36% (+2)
LAB: 36% (-3)
LDEM: 12% (-)
GRN: 6% (-)
REF: 3% (+1)
via
@KantarPublic
, 17 - 21 Mar
Chgs. w/ Feb
https://mobile.twitter.com/BritainElects/status/1507056366892072962
Or
Westminster Voting Intention:
LAB: 37% (+1)
CON: 35% (=)
LDM: 10% (+1)
GRN: 7% (-1)
REF: 4% (-1)
via @YouGov, 23-24 Mar
(Changes with 23 Mar)
So why did you ask then you snarky little...
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Just finished Steven Pinker's Rationality. Think it was Inserts recommendation? It flounders a bit near the end, but really good.
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No, Think it was Rosso, at least thats whose name i have against it on my reading list
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Does it say something like ‘Rosso (probably avoid)’
Adders
Agree with Rationality tailing off a little bit, but I think it’s still potentially quite an important book. I don’t agree with Pinker on everything (more generally), but I think he pretty much hits the nail on the head there.
If you’re short another recommendation, I’m halfway through David Graeber and David Wengrow’s The Dawn of Everything, and it’s mindblowing. Has (already!) completely changed my ideas on Rousseau vs. Hobbes, on historical views and discussions on inequality, and particularly on what Europe learned (and failed to learn) from the Western Hemisphere when the Americas were ‘discovered’.
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RIP David Graeber
I was tempted to give that book a go! How has it changed your mind on Hobbes vs Rousseau?
If you are interested in that kind of area, I would reccomend Anarchy State and Utopia by Robert Nozick.
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Firstly, it ‘reminded’ me that both have been misrepresented somewhat in their state of nature-related thought experiments being extended to represent historically-bound theses; i.e. that Hobbes believed that there was only war, starvation and suffering before modern civilisation; and that Rousseau believed that there was only peace, kinship and “uncorrupted morals”.
Both men *would* have been wrong, of course, and, of course, neither was. I think a younger me had read on this, and this older me had been derailed in being repeatedly delivered, as we are, simplified versions of their theses.
Secondly, that they represent(ed) diametrically opposed schools of thought. (This is what happens when, despite knowing better, we present these philosophical discussions at points in time as A vs B, rather than A and B.) In truth, neither was the idealist they are, in modern times, often made out to be, particularly when measured against some of their contemporaries.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Great summery
Yeah I have been mistaken on this before - as I had a really basic understanding of the two. The more I have got to know, I can see the differences as being more nuanced.
Humankind by Rutger Bregman is quite problematic with discussing the two, particularly with Hobbes.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Dawn_of_Everything
Seems to have been absolutely hammered by some writers in the 'reception' segment
Would need to read it of course.
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So why did you ask then you snarky little...
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You’ve answered your own question 😂
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So why did you ask then you snarky little...
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You’ve answered your own question 😂
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kRLvrE5zX6o
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So why did you ask then you snarky little...
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You’ve answered your own question 😂
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kRLvrE5zX6o
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Quiet you Putney-based trans activist
https://twitter.com/mparrott31/status/1507689051029131267
https://twitter.com/FDefects
v disturbing
UK and US did this
https://twitter.com/StanCollymore/status/1507685664598417408
https://twitter.com/sahouraxo/status/1507525990200786944
https://twitter.com/dublincomments/status/1507689921494011908
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Just finished Steven Pinker's Rationality. Think it was Inserts recommendation? It flounders a bit near the end, but really good.
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No, Think it was Rosso, at least thats whose name i have against it on my reading list
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Does it say something like ‘Rosso (probably avoid)’
Adders
Agree with Rationality tailing off a little bit, but I think it’s still potentially quite an important book. I don’t agree with Pinker on everything (more generally), but I think he pretty much hits the nail on the head there.
If you’re short another recommendation, I’m halfway through David Graeber and David Wengrow’s The Dawn of Everything, and it’s mindblowing. Has (already!) completely changed my ideas on Rousseau vs. Hobbes, on historical views and discussions on inequality, and particularly on what Europe learned (and failed to learn) from the Western Hemisphere when the Americas were ‘discovered’.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
RIP David Graeber
I was tempted to give that book a go! How has it changed your mind on Hobbes vs Rousseau?
If you are interested in that kind of area, I would reccomend Anarchy State and Utopia by Robert Nozick.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Firstly, it ‘reminded’ me that both have been misrepresented somewhat in their state of nature-related thought experiments being extended to represent historically-bound theses; i.e. that Hobbes believed that there was only war, starvation and suffering before modern civilisation; and that Rousseau believed that there was only peace, kinship and “uncorrupted morals”.
Both men *would* have been wrong, of course, and, of course, neither was. I think a younger me had read on this, and this older me had been derailed in being repeatedly delivered, as we are, simplified versions of their theses.
Secondly, that they represent(ed) diametrically opposed schools of thought. (This is what happens when, despite knowing better, we present these philosophical discussions at points in time as A vs B, rather than A and B.) In truth, neither was the idealist they are, in modern times, often made out to be, particularly when measured against some of their contemporaries.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Great summery
Yeah I have been mistaken on this before - as I had a really basic understanding of the two. The more I have got to know, I can see the differences as being more nuanced.
Humankind by Rutger Bregman is quite problematic with discussing the two, particularly with Hobbes.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Dawn_of_Everything
Seems to have been absolutely hammered by some writers in the 'reception' segment
Would need to read it of course.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You shouldnt pay attention the reception section of wikipedia
Sat nav told me so
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XOGOKI-1Sl0
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So why did you ask then you snarky little...
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You’ve answered your own question 😂
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kRLvrE5zX6o
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Quiet you Putney-based trans activist
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Ouch
Dutch dockers refusing to load freight today onto @POferries ferry Pride of Rotterdam after vicious sacking of 800 British sea workers #Solidarity https://t.co/chkklgMMyo
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Just finished Steven Pinker's Rationality. Think it was Inserts recommendation? It flounders a bit near the end, but really good.
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No, Think it was Rosso, at least thats whose name i have against it on my reading list
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Does it say something like ‘Rosso (probably avoid)’
Adders
Agree with Rationality tailing off a little bit, but I think it’s still potentially quite an important book. I don’t agree with Pinker on everything (more generally), but I think he pretty much hits the nail on the head there.
If you’re short another recommendation, I’m halfway through David Graeber and David Wengrow’s The Dawn of Everything, and it’s mindblowing. Has (already!) completely changed my ideas on Rousseau vs. Hobbes, on historical views and discussions on inequality, and particularly on what Europe learned (and failed to learn) from the Western Hemisphere when the Americas were ‘discovered’.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
RIP David Graeber
I was tempted to give that book a go! How has it changed your mind on Hobbes vs Rousseau?
If you are interested in that kind of area, I would reccomend Anarchy State and Utopia by Robert Nozick.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Firstly, it ‘reminded’ me that both have been misrepresented somewhat in their state of nature-related thought experiments being extended to represent historically-bound theses; i.e. that Hobbes believed that there was only war, starvation and suffering before modern civilisation; and that Rousseau believed that there was only peace, kinship and “uncorrupted morals”.
Both men *would* have been wrong, of course, and, of course, neither was. I think a younger me had read on this, and this older me had been derailed in being repeatedly delivered, as we are, simplified versions of their theses.
Secondly, that they represent(ed) diametrically opposed schools of thought. (This is what happens when, despite knowing better, we present these philosophical discussions at points in time as A vs B, rather than A and B.) In truth, neither was the idealist they are, in modern times, often made out to be, particularly when measured against some of their contemporaries.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Great summery
Yeah I have been mistaken on this before - as I had a really basic understanding of the two. The more I have got to know, I can see the differences as being more nuanced.
Humankind by Rutger Bregman is quite problematic with discussing the two, particularly with Hobbes.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Dawn_of_Everything
Seems to have been absolutely hammered by some writers in the 'reception' segment
Would need to read it of course.
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You shouldnt pay attention the reception section of wikipedia
Sat nav told me so
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Wow. SatNav is being rinsed today lol
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posted 29 minutes ago
Just finished Steven Pinker's Rationality. Think it was Inserts recommendation? It flounders a bit near the end, but really good.
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No, Think it was Rosso, at least thats whose name i have against it on my reading list
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Does it say something like ‘Rosso (probably avoid)’
Adders
Agree with Rationality tailing off a little bit, but I think it’s still potentially quite an important book. I don’t agree with Pinker on everything (more generally), but I think he pretty much hits the nail on the head there.
If you’re short another recommendation, I’m halfway through David Graeber and David Wengrow’s The Dawn of Everything, and it’s mindblowing. Has (already!) completely changed my ideas on Rousseau vs. Hobbes, on historical views and discussions on inequality, and particularly on what Europe learned (and failed to learn) from the Western Hemisphere when the Americas were ‘discovered’.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
RIP David Graeber
I was tempted to give that book a go! How has it changed your mind on Hobbes vs Rousseau?
If you are interested in that kind of area, I would reccomend Anarchy State and Utopia by Robert Nozick.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Firstly, it ‘reminded’ me that both have been misrepresented somewhat in their state of nature-related thought experiments being extended to represent historically-bound theses; i.e. that Hobbes believed that there was only war, starvation and suffering before modern civilisation; and that Rousseau believed that there was only peace, kinship and “uncorrupted morals”.
Both men *would* have been wrong, of course, and, of course, neither was. I think a younger me had read on this, and this older me had been derailed in being repeatedly delivered, as we are, simplified versions of their theses.
Secondly, that they represent(ed) diametrically opposed schools of thought. (This is what happens when, despite knowing better, we present these philosophical discussions at points in time as A vs B, rather than A and B.) In truth, neither was the idealist they are, in modern times, often made out to be, particularly when measured against some of their contemporaries.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Great summery
Yeah I have been mistaken on this before - as I had a really basic understanding of the two. The more I have got to know, I can see the differences as being more nuanced.
Humankind by Rutger Bregman is quite problematic with discussing the two, particularly with Hobbes.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Dawn_of_Everything
Seems to have been absolutely hammered by some writers in the 'reception' segment
Would need to read it of course.
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You shouldnt pay attention the reception section of wikipedia
Sat nav told me so
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Wow. SatNav is being rinsed today lol
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Blue rinse?
Well he is a Tory and an old woman...
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Well he is a Tory and an old woman...
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I don't know how old SatNav is. Nor do I know SatNav's preferred pronouns.
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Well he is a Tory and an old woman...
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An old woman with a beard
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Well he is a Tory and an old woman...
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I don't know how old SatNav is. Nor do I know SatNav's preferred pronouns.
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It/it
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Well he is a Tory and an old woman...
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An old woman with a beard
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Oh the images that conjures up!
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Well he is a Tory and an old woman...
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An old woman with a beard
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Oh the images that conjures up!
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Thank fek WWSPD isn't on to provide links.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w5skiiRHnpo
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/mar/26/us-release-genetically-modified-mosquitoes-diseases
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comment by Harry Ambrose (U11781)
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YouGov: Rishi Sunak’s net favourability has dropped to new low of -15 following his spring statement
Favourable: 36% (-3 from 22-23 Mar)
Unfavourable: 51% (+7%)
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How’s the Labour lead looking? Voting intentions?
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Westminster voting intention:
LAB: 40% (+1)
CON: 35% (-1)
LDEM: 11% (+1)
GRN: 7% (+1)
REF: 2% (-2)
via @RedfieldWilton, 20 Mar
Chgs. w/ 13 Mar
Last one I could find from Monday
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Westminster voting intention:
CON: 36% (+2)
LAB: 36% (-3)
LDEM: 12% (-)
GRN: 6% (-)
REF: 3% (+1)
via
@KantarPublic
, 17 - 21 Mar
Chgs. w/ Feb
https://mobile.twitter.com/BritainElects/status/1507056366892072962
Or
Westminster Voting Intention:
LAB: 37% (+1)
CON: 35% (=)
LDM: 10% (+1)
GRN: 7% (-1)
REF: 4% (-1)
via @YouGov, 23-24 Mar
(Changes with 23 Mar)
posted on 26/3/22
So why did you ask then you snarky little...
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posted 29 minutes ago
Just finished Steven Pinker's Rationality. Think it was Inserts recommendation? It flounders a bit near the end, but really good.
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No, Think it was Rosso, at least thats whose name i have against it on my reading list
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Does it say something like ‘Rosso (probably avoid)’
Adders
Agree with Rationality tailing off a little bit, but I think it’s still potentially quite an important book. I don’t agree with Pinker on everything (more generally), but I think he pretty much hits the nail on the head there.
If you’re short another recommendation, I’m halfway through David Graeber and David Wengrow’s The Dawn of Everything, and it’s mindblowing. Has (already!) completely changed my ideas on Rousseau vs. Hobbes, on historical views and discussions on inequality, and particularly on what Europe learned (and failed to learn) from the Western Hemisphere when the Americas were ‘discovered’.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
RIP David Graeber
I was tempted to give that book a go! How has it changed your mind on Hobbes vs Rousseau?
If you are interested in that kind of area, I would reccomend Anarchy State and Utopia by Robert Nozick.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Firstly, it ‘reminded’ me that both have been misrepresented somewhat in their state of nature-related thought experiments being extended to represent historically-bound theses; i.e. that Hobbes believed that there was only war, starvation and suffering before modern civilisation; and that Rousseau believed that there was only peace, kinship and “uncorrupted morals”.
Both men *would* have been wrong, of course, and, of course, neither was. I think a younger me had read on this, and this older me had been derailed in being repeatedly delivered, as we are, simplified versions of their theses.
Secondly, that they represent(ed) diametrically opposed schools of thought. (This is what happens when, despite knowing better, we present these philosophical discussions at points in time as A vs B, rather than A and B.) In truth, neither was the idealist they are, in modern times, often made out to be, particularly when measured against some of their contemporaries.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Great summery
Yeah I have been mistaken on this before - as I had a really basic understanding of the two. The more I have got to know, I can see the differences as being more nuanced.
Humankind by Rutger Bregman is quite problematic with discussing the two, particularly with Hobbes.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Dawn_of_Everything
Seems to have been absolutely hammered by some writers in the 'reception' segment
Would need to read it of course.
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So why did you ask then you snarky little...
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You’ve answered your own question 😂
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So why did you ask then you snarky little...
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You’ve answered your own question 😂
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So why did you ask then you snarky little...
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You’ve answered your own question 😂
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kRLvrE5zX6o
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Quiet you Putney-based trans activist
posted on 26/3/22
https://twitter.com/mparrott31/status/1507689051029131267
https://twitter.com/FDefects
v disturbing
UK and US did this
posted on 26/3/22
https://twitter.com/StanCollymore/status/1507685664598417408
posted on 26/3/22
https://twitter.com/sahouraxo/status/1507525990200786944
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posted 29 minutes ago
Just finished Steven Pinker's Rationality. Think it was Inserts recommendation? It flounders a bit near the end, but really good.
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No, Think it was Rosso, at least thats whose name i have against it on my reading list
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Does it say something like ‘Rosso (probably avoid)’
Adders
Agree with Rationality tailing off a little bit, but I think it’s still potentially quite an important book. I don’t agree with Pinker on everything (more generally), but I think he pretty much hits the nail on the head there.
If you’re short another recommendation, I’m halfway through David Graeber and David Wengrow’s The Dawn of Everything, and it’s mindblowing. Has (already!) completely changed my ideas on Rousseau vs. Hobbes, on historical views and discussions on inequality, and particularly on what Europe learned (and failed to learn) from the Western Hemisphere when the Americas were ‘discovered’.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
RIP David Graeber
I was tempted to give that book a go! How has it changed your mind on Hobbes vs Rousseau?
If you are interested in that kind of area, I would reccomend Anarchy State and Utopia by Robert Nozick.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Firstly, it ‘reminded’ me that both have been misrepresented somewhat in their state of nature-related thought experiments being extended to represent historically-bound theses; i.e. that Hobbes believed that there was only war, starvation and suffering before modern civilisation; and that Rousseau believed that there was only peace, kinship and “uncorrupted morals”.
Both men *would* have been wrong, of course, and, of course, neither was. I think a younger me had read on this, and this older me had been derailed in being repeatedly delivered, as we are, simplified versions of their theses.
Secondly, that they represent(ed) diametrically opposed schools of thought. (This is what happens when, despite knowing better, we present these philosophical discussions at points in time as A vs B, rather than A and B.) In truth, neither was the idealist they are, in modern times, often made out to be, particularly when measured against some of their contemporaries.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Great summery
Yeah I have been mistaken on this before - as I had a really basic understanding of the two. The more I have got to know, I can see the differences as being more nuanced.
Humankind by Rutger Bregman is quite problematic with discussing the two, particularly with Hobbes.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Dawn_of_Everything
Seems to have been absolutely hammered by some writers in the 'reception' segment
Would need to read it of course.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You shouldnt pay attention the reception section of wikipedia
Sat nav told me so
posted on 26/3/22
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XOGOKI-1Sl0
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So why did you ask then you snarky little...
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You’ve answered your own question 😂
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kRLvrE5zX6o
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Quiet you Putney-based trans activist
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Ouch
posted on 26/3/22
Dutch dockers refusing to load freight today onto @POferries ferry Pride of Rotterdam after vicious sacking of 800 British sea workers #Solidarity https://t.co/chkklgMMyo
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posted 29 minutes ago
Just finished Steven Pinker's Rationality. Think it was Inserts recommendation? It flounders a bit near the end, but really good.
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No, Think it was Rosso, at least thats whose name i have against it on my reading list
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Does it say something like ‘Rosso (probably avoid)’
Adders
Agree with Rationality tailing off a little bit, but I think it’s still potentially quite an important book. I don’t agree with Pinker on everything (more generally), but I think he pretty much hits the nail on the head there.
If you’re short another recommendation, I’m halfway through David Graeber and David Wengrow’s The Dawn of Everything, and it’s mindblowing. Has (already!) completely changed my ideas on Rousseau vs. Hobbes, on historical views and discussions on inequality, and particularly on what Europe learned (and failed to learn) from the Western Hemisphere when the Americas were ‘discovered’.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
RIP David Graeber
I was tempted to give that book a go! How has it changed your mind on Hobbes vs Rousseau?
If you are interested in that kind of area, I would reccomend Anarchy State and Utopia by Robert Nozick.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Firstly, it ‘reminded’ me that both have been misrepresented somewhat in their state of nature-related thought experiments being extended to represent historically-bound theses; i.e. that Hobbes believed that there was only war, starvation and suffering before modern civilisation; and that Rousseau believed that there was only peace, kinship and “uncorrupted morals”.
Both men *would* have been wrong, of course, and, of course, neither was. I think a younger me had read on this, and this older me had been derailed in being repeatedly delivered, as we are, simplified versions of their theses.
Secondly, that they represent(ed) diametrically opposed schools of thought. (This is what happens when, despite knowing better, we present these philosophical discussions at points in time as A vs B, rather than A and B.) In truth, neither was the idealist they are, in modern times, often made out to be, particularly when measured against some of their contemporaries.
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Great summery
Yeah I have been mistaken on this before - as I had a really basic understanding of the two. The more I have got to know, I can see the differences as being more nuanced.
Humankind by Rutger Bregman is quite problematic with discussing the two, particularly with Hobbes.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Dawn_of_Everything
Seems to have been absolutely hammered by some writers in the 'reception' segment
Would need to read it of course.
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You shouldnt pay attention the reception section of wikipedia
Sat nav told me so
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Wow. SatNav is being rinsed today lol
posted on 26/3/22
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Just finished Steven Pinker's Rationality. Think it was Inserts recommendation? It flounders a bit near the end, but really good.
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No, Think it was Rosso, at least thats whose name i have against it on my reading list
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Does it say something like ‘Rosso (probably avoid)’
Adders
Agree with Rationality tailing off a little bit, but I think it’s still potentially quite an important book. I don’t agree with Pinker on everything (more generally), but I think he pretty much hits the nail on the head there.
If you’re short another recommendation, I’m halfway through David Graeber and David Wengrow’s The Dawn of Everything, and it’s mindblowing. Has (already!) completely changed my ideas on Rousseau vs. Hobbes, on historical views and discussions on inequality, and particularly on what Europe learned (and failed to learn) from the Western Hemisphere when the Americas were ‘discovered’.
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RIP David Graeber
I was tempted to give that book a go! How has it changed your mind on Hobbes vs Rousseau?
If you are interested in that kind of area, I would reccomend Anarchy State and Utopia by Robert Nozick.
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Firstly, it ‘reminded’ me that both have been misrepresented somewhat in their state of nature-related thought experiments being extended to represent historically-bound theses; i.e. that Hobbes believed that there was only war, starvation and suffering before modern civilisation; and that Rousseau believed that there was only peace, kinship and “uncorrupted morals”.
Both men *would* have been wrong, of course, and, of course, neither was. I think a younger me had read on this, and this older me had been derailed in being repeatedly delivered, as we are, simplified versions of their theses.
Secondly, that they represent(ed) diametrically opposed schools of thought. (This is what happens when, despite knowing better, we present these philosophical discussions at points in time as A vs B, rather than A and B.) In truth, neither was the idealist they are, in modern times, often made out to be, particularly when measured against some of their contemporaries.
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Great summery
Yeah I have been mistaken on this before - as I had a really basic understanding of the two. The more I have got to know, I can see the differences as being more nuanced.
Humankind by Rutger Bregman is quite problematic with discussing the two, particularly with Hobbes.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Dawn_of_Everything
Seems to have been absolutely hammered by some writers in the 'reception' segment
Would need to read it of course.
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You shouldnt pay attention the reception section of wikipedia
Sat nav told me so
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Wow. SatNav is being rinsed today lol
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Blue rinse?
posted on 26/3/22
Well he is a Tory and an old woman...
posted on 26/3/22
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 47 seconds ago
Well he is a Tory and an old woman...
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I don't know how old SatNav is. Nor do I know SatNav's preferred pronouns.
posted on 26/3/22
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 23 minutes ago
Well he is a Tory and an old woman...
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An old woman with a beard
posted on 26/3/22
comment by son of quebec (U8127)
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comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 47 seconds ago
Well he is a Tory and an old woman...
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I don't know how old SatNav is. Nor do I know SatNav's preferred pronouns.
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It/it
posted on 26/3/22
comment by NPE. (U22712)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 23 minutes ago
Well he is a Tory and an old woman...
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An old woman with a beard
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Oh the images that conjures up!
posted on 26/3/22
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by NPE. (U22712)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 23 minutes ago
Well he is a Tory and an old woman...
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An old woman with a beard
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Oh the images that conjures up!
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Thank fek WWSPD isn't on to provide links.
posted on 27/3/22
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w5skiiRHnpo
posted on 27/3/22
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/mar/26/us-release-genetically-modified-mosquitoes-diseases
What could go wrong
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