Oh and that's conservative as in socially conservative. No bearing on economic conservatism/liberalism
it excludes lower IQ voices, and hence those more likely to hold conservative views.
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Blimey, where have you read that?
I think that may offend somebody
http://www.asanet.org/research-and-publications/journals/social-psychology-quarterly/why-liberals-and-atheists-are-more-intelligent
Thanks for sharing that link, renoog, it was an entertaining read. Not entirely convinced by his hypothesis, though, but entertaining nonetheless.
If our brains developed to cope with tribal groups of up to 150 people, then, according to Kanazawa’s Savanna-IQ hypothesis , a concept like patriotism, which in the UK entails getting your head around a population of 60m people, would presumably be more readily embraced by people with a higher IQ.
Not convinced that’s the case (though I’m not suggesting the opposite, either....maybe evolutionary psychology and IQ have nothing to do with it).
This Kanazawa fella seems like a bit of a shock-jock (even though he has a serious job at the LSE).
I followed some links to him, and ended up reading a blog of his called (“Why Fat Chicks get laid more”, a hypothesis which looked like it had been inspired by the Fat Slags, from Viz.
It’ll get his blog a lot of hits, because it’s an entertaining read, but he starts off with a statistical basis (which I noticed was challenged by some statisticians), and then makes some large leaps in logic which end up making it read like a hypothesis made up by a mate in the pub, for his own entertainment.
Other blog-titles include “why more attractive couples have more daughters” and “why black women are less attractive”...which got him into a whole world of shiiit.
Not sold on him, and his hypotheses look a bit fanciful, so not sure they’ll make it into the realms of accepted theory. Entertaining, though, and the controversy will get him a lot of hits.
The Savanna hypothesis doesn't state that humans have remained in evolutionary stasis since that time, more that we still have evolutionary hang-ups (in the form of instincts) which we constantly have to battle with using our intelligence.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26847844
Here's another study which suggests that lower IQ people find high population densities less satisfying. Again, perhaps proof that our instincts say one thing, but those of higher intelligence are better-equipped to weigh up whether they're actually beneficial in our modern environment, and consequently suppress them.
Anyway, I'd say humans probably have got smarter since their Savannah days. Conquering different environments with their own unique challenges has probably driven IQ up. A British patriotic conservative in 2017 is probably much smarter than your average hunter-gatherer 10,000 years ago.
Yeah I've read some of his other stuff and there's been a lot of controversy. I think the problem when you venture into the territory of pointing out differences between different demographics is that it's possibly going to portray certain ones in a worse light than others, which then gives legitimacy for those who want to discriminate. I don't think there's any way to avoid this. The nature of the scientific method means that you have to come up with a hypothesis before you can start testing it. This naturally means a) your hypotheses are going to be based somewhat on personal experience/stereotypes/wishful thinking and b) you are going to latch onto data that supports your hypothesis. The best you can do is make sure your methods are repeatable and falsifiable so that others can disprove your conclusions. A field that's not that well-understood is likely to initially attract 'bad science', but that's all part of the process that we go through to improve out understanding of the subject.
This thread seems to have died a little so thought I'd revive it a little.
Jamie Oliver has banned his daughter from posting selfies online:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-42028944
Lots of food for thought here. I love his description of selfies as the "sugar of social media".
IMO this is something that we as a society need to start having a discussion about. Social media as a tool for staying connected with others and as a playform for communicating information is a good thing. The validation culture that some of these platforms have created, is not however. In many ways it's similar to how the food industry purposefully preys on the human body's innate craving for fats and simple sugars to keep customers coming back for more.
This is not just an issue affecting adolescents - I've seen first-hand how middle-aged people who first discover social media platforms become addicted to the adrenaline rush of likes and activity generated by their content. It's quite endearing really but just goes to show how there's a deep desire for acceptance and belonging within all of us, which social media acts on in a way and scale never seen before.
I'm sure there will come a point when we will begin to treat social media consumption the same way we treat sugar and fat consumption, creating legislation to force providers to reduce 'portion sizes' (timed sessions?) and label their packaging with warnings.
I gave up Facebook years ago after I found I was wasting potentially hours at a time on there, achieving nothing but negatively comparing myself to the carefully-curated portrayals of others' existence. None of my friendships have suffered for it, and I am much more focused on self-improvement in the absence of it. Perhaps that's a natural result of growing up, but I do know a lot of people my age who still seem to live their loves somewhat bound to social media, feeling slightly incomplete if they're not broadcasting their travels and experiences to others.
Renoog, I have middle age friends who suffer insecurities when viewing other people's lives through the lens of Facebook... New cars, houses, £2k watches, whilst they are struggling just to get by.
It's a platform I have but don't really use at all, my wife and brother in law don't have accounts. In the last year I've started doing bits and pieces of sports photography, I genuinely get a buzz from seeing the stuff in print. So really get how folk could become addicted to likes on social media or dispondent at the lack of them. If I take IMO a great photo and the editor picks a crap one instead it proper irks me.
Exactly Admin1, it's in all of us. I just worry a little more about teens being exposed to it unabated during their formative years when they're beginning to develop a social outlook that will last them a lifetime.
What kind of photography do you do? Is it candid?
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posted 5 days, 3 hours ago
Renoog, I have middle age friends who suffer insecurities when viewing other people's lives through the lens of Facebook... New cars, houses, £2k watches, whilst they are struggling just to get by.
It's a platform I have but don't really use at all, my wife and brother in law don't have accounts. In the last year I've started doing bits and pieces of sports photography, I genuinely get a buzz from seeing the stuff in print. So really get how folk could become addicted to likes on social media or dispondent at the lack of them. If I take IMO a great photo and the editor picks a crap one instead it proper irks me.
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Social media makes us selfish, jealous and depressed.
The guys who created the likes of Facebook now don't use it, and fear it will harm generations.
That said, I am on here, my only indulgence in the modern black arts, and my wife and daughter love their Facebook, YouTube, Instagram and Snapchat.
Some Good News for mental health.
Sufferers who hear voices and see things can now get Avatar treatment, whereby, the avatar speaks to them, and the patient can respond, thus empowering them to confront the voice and vision!
Cool, and those receiving avatar treatment are responding as well as those getting counsellingđź‘Ť
I saw that, really cool idea! Also a very cost-effective idea. Reminds me of how pet therapy is becoming increasingly popular as a way of helping out the elderly with recovery post-treatment and with loneliness in general.
Won't be long before the NHS starts using Japanese secs robots
comment by renoog (U4449)
posted 23 hours, 16 minutes ago
Exactly Admin1, it's in all of us. I just worry a little more about teens being exposed to it unabated during their formative years when they're beginning to develop a social outlook that will last them a lifetime.
What kind of photography do you do? Is it candid?
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It's just so frustrating Dave. I like reading the thread even if I'm not contributing to it, there's always things to be learned from listening to others' viewpoints. But the tone of the thread recently has been awful. Very few posters seem to have any interest in exchanging views and instead the thread is dominated by an attention-seeking troll and 2 posters engaged in a petty, personal tit-for-tat going back months. I've filtered 5 users and am now permanently logged in to avoid bypassing the filter, yet the quality is still terrible. Even the better posters can't help but get sucked into the trolling and the personal stuff. Makes me wonder whether anyone is actually interested in using it as a forum for debate, or just using it to one-up faceless internet strangers.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-45938754
Garbage in, garbage out.
Meanwhile, Saudi have released their updated account of Jamal Khashoggi's disappearance, v3.0
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Merry Christmas and happy New Year Dave
Appreciate the CPR on the thread but I think it's flatlined unfortunately
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posted 13 hours, 29 minutes ago
Happy Festivus, renooG!
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Back at you too.
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posted 3 hours, 3 minutes ago
Merry Christmas and happy New Year Dave
Appreciate the CPR on the thread but I think it's flatlined unfortunately
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posted on 25/10/17
Oh and that's conservative as in socially conservative. No bearing on economic conservatism/liberalism
posted on 25/10/17
it excludes lower IQ voices, and hence those more likely to hold conservative views.
========================================================
Blimey, where have you read that?
I think that may offend somebody
posted on 25/10/17
http://www.asanet.org/research-and-publications/journals/social-psychology-quarterly/why-liberals-and-atheists-are-more-intelligent
posted on 26/10/17
Thanks for sharing that link, renoog, it was an entertaining read. Not entirely convinced by his hypothesis, though, but entertaining nonetheless.
If our brains developed to cope with tribal groups of up to 150 people, then, according to Kanazawa’s Savanna-IQ hypothesis , a concept like patriotism, which in the UK entails getting your head around a population of 60m people, would presumably be more readily embraced by people with a higher IQ.
Not convinced that’s the case (though I’m not suggesting the opposite, either....maybe evolutionary psychology and IQ have nothing to do with it).
This Kanazawa fella seems like a bit of a shock-jock (even though he has a serious job at the LSE).
I followed some links to him, and ended up reading a blog of his called (“Why Fat Chicks get laid more”, a hypothesis which looked like it had been inspired by the Fat Slags, from Viz.
It’ll get his blog a lot of hits, because it’s an entertaining read, but he starts off with a statistical basis (which I noticed was challenged by some statisticians), and then makes some large leaps in logic which end up making it read like a hypothesis made up by a mate in the pub, for his own entertainment.
Other blog-titles include “why more attractive couples have more daughters” and “why black women are less attractive”...which got him into a whole world of shiiit.
Not sold on him, and his hypotheses look a bit fanciful, so not sure they’ll make it into the realms of accepted theory. Entertaining, though, and the controversy will get him a lot of hits.
posted on 28/10/17
The Savanna hypothesis doesn't state that humans have remained in evolutionary stasis since that time, more that we still have evolutionary hang-ups (in the form of instincts) which we constantly have to battle with using our intelligence.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26847844
Here's another study which suggests that lower IQ people find high population densities less satisfying. Again, perhaps proof that our instincts say one thing, but those of higher intelligence are better-equipped to weigh up whether they're actually beneficial in our modern environment, and consequently suppress them.
Anyway, I'd say humans probably have got smarter since their Savannah days. Conquering different environments with their own unique challenges has probably driven IQ up. A British patriotic conservative in 2017 is probably much smarter than your average hunter-gatherer 10,000 years ago.
Yeah I've read some of his other stuff and there's been a lot of controversy. I think the problem when you venture into the territory of pointing out differences between different demographics is that it's possibly going to portray certain ones in a worse light than others, which then gives legitimacy for those who want to discriminate. I don't think there's any way to avoid this. The nature of the scientific method means that you have to come up with a hypothesis before you can start testing it. This naturally means a) your hypotheses are going to be based somewhat on personal experience/stereotypes/wishful thinking and b) you are going to latch onto data that supports your hypothesis. The best you can do is make sure your methods are repeatable and falsifiable so that others can disprove your conclusions. A field that's not that well-understood is likely to initially attract 'bad science', but that's all part of the process that we go through to improve out understanding of the subject.
posted on 17/11/17
This thread seems to have died a little so thought I'd revive it a little.
Jamie Oliver has banned his daughter from posting selfies online:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-42028944
Lots of food for thought here. I love his description of selfies as the "sugar of social media".
IMO this is something that we as a society need to start having a discussion about. Social media as a tool for staying connected with others and as a playform for communicating information is a good thing. The validation culture that some of these platforms have created, is not however. In many ways it's similar to how the food industry purposefully preys on the human body's innate craving for fats and simple sugars to keep customers coming back for more.
This is not just an issue affecting adolescents - I've seen first-hand how middle-aged people who first discover social media platforms become addicted to the adrenaline rush of likes and activity generated by their content. It's quite endearing really but just goes to show how there's a deep desire for acceptance and belonging within all of us, which social media acts on in a way and scale never seen before.
I'm sure there will come a point when we will begin to treat social media consumption the same way we treat sugar and fat consumption, creating legislation to force providers to reduce 'portion sizes' (timed sessions?) and label their packaging with warnings.
I gave up Facebook years ago after I found I was wasting potentially hours at a time on there, achieving nothing but negatively comparing myself to the carefully-curated portrayals of others' existence. None of my friendships have suffered for it, and I am much more focused on self-improvement in the absence of it. Perhaps that's a natural result of growing up, but I do know a lot of people my age who still seem to live their loves somewhat bound to social media, feeling slightly incomplete if they're not broadcasting their travels and experiences to others.
posted on 19/11/17
Renoog, I have middle age friends who suffer insecurities when viewing other people's lives through the lens of Facebook... New cars, houses, £2k watches, whilst they are struggling just to get by.
It's a platform I have but don't really use at all, my wife and brother in law don't have accounts. In the last year I've started doing bits and pieces of sports photography, I genuinely get a buzz from seeing the stuff in print. So really get how folk could become addicted to likes on social media or dispondent at the lack of them. If I take IMO a great photo and the editor picks a crap one instead it proper irks me.
posted on 24/11/17
Exactly Admin1, it's in all of us. I just worry a little more about teens being exposed to it unabated during their formative years when they're beginning to develop a social outlook that will last them a lifetime.
What kind of photography do you do? Is it candid?
posted on 24/11/17
comment by Admin1 (U1)
posted 5 days, 3 hours ago
Renoog, I have middle age friends who suffer insecurities when viewing other people's lives through the lens of Facebook... New cars, houses, £2k watches, whilst they are struggling just to get by.
It's a platform I have but don't really use at all, my wife and brother in law don't have accounts. In the last year I've started doing bits and pieces of sports photography, I genuinely get a buzz from seeing the stuff in print. So really get how folk could become addicted to likes on social media or dispondent at the lack of them. If I take IMO a great photo and the editor picks a crap one instead it proper irks me.
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Social media makes us selfish, jealous and depressed.
The guys who created the likes of Facebook now don't use it, and fear it will harm generations.
That said, I am on here, my only indulgence in the modern black arts, and my wife and daughter love their Facebook, YouTube, Instagram and Snapchat.
posted on 24/11/17
Some Good News for mental health.
Sufferers who hear voices and see things can now get Avatar treatment, whereby, the avatar speaks to them, and the patient can respond, thus empowering them to confront the voice and vision!
Cool, and those receiving avatar treatment are responding as well as those getting counsellingđź‘Ť
posted on 24/11/17
I saw that, really cool idea! Also a very cost-effective idea. Reminds me of how pet therapy is becoming increasingly popular as a way of helping out the elderly with recovery post-treatment and with loneliness in general.
Won't be long before the NHS starts using Japanese secs robots
posted on 25/11/17
comment by renoog (U4449)
posted 23 hours, 16 minutes ago
Exactly Admin1, it's in all of us. I just worry a little more about teens being exposed to it unabated during their formative years when they're beginning to develop a social outlook that will last them a lifetime.
What kind of photography do you do? Is it candid?
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posted on 22/10/18
It's just so frustrating Dave. I like reading the thread even if I'm not contributing to it, there's always things to be learned from listening to others' viewpoints. But the tone of the thread recently has been awful. Very few posters seem to have any interest in exchanging views and instead the thread is dominated by an attention-seeking troll and 2 posters engaged in a petty, personal tit-for-tat going back months. I've filtered 5 users and am now permanently logged in to avoid bypassing the filter, yet the quality is still terrible. Even the better posters can't help but get sucked into the trolling and the personal stuff. Makes me wonder whether anyone is actually interested in using it as a forum for debate, or just using it to one-up faceless internet strangers.
posted on 22/10/18
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-45938754
Garbage in, garbage out.
posted on 22/10/18
Meanwhile, Saudi have released their updated account of Jamal Khashoggi's disappearance, v3.0
posted on 23/10/18
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posted on 2/7/20
Simpler times.
posted on 8/1/21
Indeed Bales
posted on 26/1/21
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posted on 26/1/21
Merry Christmas and happy New Year Dave
Appreciate the CPR on the thread but I think it's flatlined unfortunately
posted on 26/1/21
comment by Dave (U11711)
posted 13 hours, 29 minutes ago
Happy Festivus, renooG!
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posted on 26/1/21
comment by renoog (U4449)
posted 3 hours, 3 minutes ago
Merry Christmas and happy New Year Dave
Appreciate the CPR on the thread but I think it's flatlined unfortunately
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This thread has 75 odd posts in 4 years.
How bad are we on social discourse?
For shame.
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