Yep he's a terrible manager, it's just luck he's having a far better season than the likes of Klopp and Pochetinno especially as not one arsenal player apart from sanchez would get in their teams
Wenger has to be the least proactive manager in the league. You can't even call him "reactive" either. Guy just parks himself firmly on the bench and waits for things to happen. Just bizarre.
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Wenger's philosophy is to allow players to find their own solutions on the pitch. He's never been a good manager in the traditional sense.
His strengths were talent-spotting and motivating his players (i.e George Weah saying he'd break his bones to get a result for Wenger's Monaco).
Tactically he's always been awful and never been proactive. Hence why our star-studded team from 1997-2005, filled with World Cup-winners, never retained the PL title or won the CL title.
Welbeck came on because he's the closest our side has to a diver and Wenger knew it might take a penalty to get through the Burnley defence.
Fortunately their defender had a moment of madness, so we didn't need a dive to get it
comment by The Godfather (U10154)
posted 9 minutes ago
Yep he's a terrible manager, it's just luck he's having a far better season than the likes of Klopp and Pochetinno especially as not one arsenal player apart from sanchez would get in their teams
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Wenger is a good manager. But he has come to his end. You have to be far more detailed and focussed in the modern game and just isn't. There really isn't any need to be continuously defending him. We know what wenger has meant to arsenal. But it's time just to move on.
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 44 minutes ago
comment by The Godfather (U10154)
posted 9 minutes ago
Yep he's a terrible manager, it's just luck he's having a far better season than the likes of Klopp and Pochetinno especially as not one arsenal player apart from sanchez would get in their teams
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Wenger is a good manager. But he has come to his end. You have to be far more detailed and focussed in the modern game and just isn't. There really isn't any need to be continuously defending him. We know what wenger has meant to arsenal. But it's time just to move on.
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If you were wenger, why would you decide to retire/move on if you are continuously out performing so called world class managers with the world at their feet such as Klopp and Pochetinno?
Who says you need a detailed approach? why has that not worked with Pochetinno and his superior team? Why have they not won a single trophy
"Outperforming" so-called world class managers from the 'Ropey league. This comedian is beyond help.
How is he continuously outperforming Klopp or Poch exactly?
How has Wenger had a ‘far better season’ than Klopp or Poch?
And why are your ambitions for Wenger that he outperforms clubs that have underachieved in the PL for the best part of 3 decades?
And why am I trying to have a reasonable conversation with a pointless wum 😡
At least we are winning Cups.....
comment by The Godfather (U10154)
posted 1 hour, 17 minutes ago
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 44 minutes ago
comment by The Godfather (U10154)
posted 9 minutes ago
Yep he's a terrible manager, it's just luck he's having a far better season than the likes of Klopp and Pochetinno especially as not one arsenal player apart from sanchez would get in their teams
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Wenger is a good manager. But he has come to his end. You have to be far more detailed and focussed in the modern game and just isn't. There really isn't any need to be continuously defending him. We know what wenger has meant to arsenal. But it's time just to move on.
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If you were wenger, why would you decide to retire/move on if you are continuously out performing so called world class managers with the world at their feet such as Klopp and Pochetinno?
Who says you need a detailed approach? why has that not worked with Pochetinno and his superior team? Why have they not won a single trophy
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Because he is not any closer to the title. Just take last season for example. Chelsea were in a similar position to us this season. No CL football. Chelsea challenged for the title and won it. We will 'hopefully' end back in the top 4. That's the difference.
Just look at our away record.
I lost faith in Wenger when he stuck with Giroud for 5 years whilst wasting two of the most creative players in the world. Leicester City won the title during that period. That showed me Wenger is unable to assess players these days. Look at how he changed formation last season to copy Chelsea without ever evaluating if he had the players to make it work. Had he sold Mustafi as he planned, the 3 at the back would be abysmal defensively as it is offensively at the moment. This shows Wenger has no idea why 3 at the back is working at home but failing away. So if Wenger isn't good at player assessment, not sure at tactics, what's left? Attracting players? Both Ozil and Alexis want to leave and Lemar turned us down. Not great.
Sheriff and Jenius with some valid points. Wenger needs to move on. Most of us knew it 7-8 years ago, now is just so obvious his shortcomings are taking the Arsenal backwards. Really sad!
It’s 2017 and Godfather is still defending Wenger.
Since poch and Klopp joined, wenger has won trophies they have won none. Wenger has finished higher than them more times than vice they have finished above him. This season wenger is currently doing better in the league
What is difficult about that for you morons to understand? If wenger is passed it then what about these two clowns who you all rate so highly??
comment by The Godfather (U10154)
posted 4 minutes ago
Since poch and Klopp joined, wenger has won trophies they have won none. Wenger has finished higher than them more times than vice they have finished above him. This season wenger is currently doing better in the league
What is difficult about that for you morons to understand? If wenger is passed it then what about these two clowns who you all rate so highly??
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He’s doing better by a minuscule margin this season so far, and it must have escaped your notice that we panned you 4-0. In fact, Wenger hasn’t beaten us since Klopp took over.
Klopp in only his first full season got above Wenger last season, and I’d back us to finish above you again this season despite the current league table.
You can have the FA cups. They are nice and shiny but they don’t keep you warm at night, otherwise most of your fellow fans wouldn’t be telling you that Wenger is past it.
Arsenal have lost 13 games in 2017, spread pretty evenly over the year.
Liverpool have lost 10 (too many), but 6 of them were in the space of 6 weeks.
Spurs have lost just 7.
comment by selbstgerechtein (U7048)
posted 2 seconds ago
comment by The Godfather (U10154)
posted 4 minutes ago
Since poch and Klopp joined, wenger has won trophies they have won none. Wenger has finished higher than them more times than vice they have finished above him. This season wenger is currently doing better in the league
What is difficult about that for you morons to understand? If wenger is passed it then what about these two clowns who you all rate so highly??
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He’s doing better by a minuscule margin this season so far, and it must have escaped your notice that we panned you 4-0. In fact, Wenger hasn’t beaten us since Klopp took over.
Klopp in only his first full season got above Wenger last season, and I’d back us to finish above you again this season despite the current league table.
You can have the FA cups. They are nice and shiny but they don’t keep you warm at night, otherwise most of your fellow fans wouldn’t be telling you that Wenger is past it.
Arsenal have lost 13 games in 2017, spread pretty evenly over the year.
Liverpool have lost 10 (too many), but 6 of them were in the space of 6 weeks.
Spurs have lost just 7.
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you are actually using calendar year stats to back up your points. Calendar year, a pointless measurement that no player or manager will ever be remembered for. You then try to go and discredit the fa cup, a legitimate achievement where in the last four years we have defeated every single top English team to win 3 trophies. For wenger to be written in the history books as the most successful manager of all time, an actual record, 7 wins that will probably not be beaten in our life time
I want arsenal to be winning leagues and champions leagues. That fact is not going to let me be brainwashed into thinking that wenger is somehow a failure whilst actual failures like Pochetinno and klopp are lauded by idiots like you who have no brain, and follow the anti arsenal doctrine spoon fed to you by the media
He’s doing better by a minuscule margin this season so far, and it must have escaped your notice that we panned you 4-0. In fact, Wenger hasn’t beaten us since Klopp took over.
Klopp in only his first full season got above Wenger last season, and I’d back us to finish above you again this season despite the current league table.
You can have the FA cups.
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We're two points above Liverpool now, which you dismiss as minuscule, but you only finished one point above us last season That was with Liverpool purely focusing on the league, while we were tearing things up in the Cups.
Liverpool haven't won a major title since 2006, so don't pretend you wouldn't want 3 majors in 4 years.
comment by The Godfather (U10154)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by selbstgerechtein (U7048)
posted 2 seconds ago
comment by The Godfather (U10154)
posted 4 minutes ago
Since poch and Klopp joined, wenger has won trophies they have won none. Wenger has finished higher than them more times than vice they have finished above him. This season wenger is currently doing better in the league
What is difficult about that for you morons to understand? If wenger is passed it then what about these two clowns who you all rate so highly??
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He’s doing better by a minuscule margin this season so far, and it must have escaped your notice that we panned you 4-0. In fact, Wenger hasn’t beaten us since Klopp took over.
Klopp in only his first full season got above Wenger last season, and I’d back us to finish above you again this season despite the current league table.
You can have the FA cups. They are nice and shiny but they don’t keep you warm at night, otherwise most of your fellow fans wouldn’t be telling you that Wenger is past it.
Arsenal have lost 13 games in 2017, spread pretty evenly over the year.
Liverpool have lost 10 (too many), but 6 of them were in the space of 6 weeks.
Spurs have lost just 7.
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you are actually using calendar year stats to back up your points. Calendar year, a pointless measurement that no player or manager will ever be remembered for. You then try to go and discredit the fa cup, a legitimate achievement where in the last four years we have defeated every single top English team to win 3 trophies. For wenger to be written in the history books as the most successful manager of all time, an actual record, 7 wins that will probably not be beaten in our life time
I want arsenal to be winning leagues and champions leagues. That fact is not going to let me be brainwashed into thinking that wenger is somehow a failure whilst actual failures like Pochetinno and klopp are lauded by idiots like you who have no brain, and follow the anti arsenal doctrine spoon fed to you by the media
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You need help mate.
Wengers been a great but he’s had it.
Roberto Martinez and Harry Redknapp have won FA Cups.
Wengers won nothing of great importance for 13 years, and in truth hasn’t even got that close to doing so for 10 years.
Klopp lost a Europa Final 15 months ago.
If Wenger is still as great as you claim then you will win the Europa this season.
Let’s see.
Godfather might be a bit of a plum in these parts, and not well liked but, you cannot use Klopp as a stick to beat Wenger. Wenger might be finished, but Klopp looks more like a younger, poorer Wenger every year.
Liverpool fans must be disappointed, no trophies and no defense. Glad we at least got the trophies sorted out.
Having said that, we've both got to be realistic, Liverpool can't do better than Klopp, and Arsenal when the time comes aren't going to find a ready made winning manager like Guardiola ready to come over. We'll have to take a risk with a 'prospect'. How very Arsenalish.
I’m not using Klopp as a stick to beat him with.
I’m challenging the idea that Wenger is continuously outperforming Klopp and Pochettino.
The idea which is clearly nonsense and seems to be based almost solely on winning the FA Cup.
comment by The~Distinguished~Englishman (U4080)
posted 4 minutes ago
Godfather might be a bit of a plum in these parts, and not well liked but, you cannot use Klopp as a stick to beat Wenger. Wenger might be finished, but Klopp looks more like a younger, poorer Wenger every year.
Liverpool fans must be disappointed, no trophies and no defense. Glad we at least got the trophies sorted out.
Having said that, we've both got to be realistic, Liverpool can't do better than Klopp, and Arsenal when the time comes aren't going to find a ready made winning manager like Guardiola ready to come over. We'll have to take a risk with a 'prospect'. How very Arsenalish.
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Nobody here other than the buffoon brought up Klopp. Klopp has been copping a lot of deserved criticism from the media and Liverpool fans and is a regular figure of fun from the opposition, but the buffoon picked a non-performing manager as a strawman for his mooronic arguments, which are so absurd, some people actually think he's a troll, but he actually believes at least half the garbage he spouts. Not to mention that the same Klopp is a manager whose team have dominated every single game we've played with Liverpool since Klopp took over from Brenda. Basically outclasses us with modern basic high-tempo, high-pressing football while we play our usual turgid rubbish.
And to be honest, I simply believe Liverpool have done a lot of bad transfer business in the heart of their midfield and defence which has held Klopp back. I don't know if this is Klopp's fault seeing as I don't know the dynamics between Liverpool's boardroom and the managerial staff. I certainly know every problem in Arsenal begins and ends with the out-of-touch footballing version of Mugabe who has his fingers on everything and has held sway for 21 facking years and can't get close to seriously competing for the title and gets hammered 15-3 in his last 3 matches with a Bayern team who run on a similar budget. And you still get an absolute waste of space of a cretin spamming the board with his asinine drivel that has gone beyond self-parody.
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comment by The~Distinguished~Englishman (U4080)
posted 4 minutes ago
Godfather might be a bit of a plum in these parts, and not well liked but, you cannot use Klopp as a stick to beat Wenger. Wenger might be finished, but Klopp looks more like a younger, poorer Wenger every year.
Liverpool fans must be disappointed, no trophies and no defense. Glad we at least got the trophies sorted out.
Having said that, we've both got to be realistic, Liverpool can't do better than Klopp, and Arsenal when the time comes aren't going to find a ready made winning manager like Guardiola ready to come over. We'll have to take a risk with a 'prospect'. How very Arsenalish.
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Nobody here other than the buffoon brought up Klopp. Klopp has been copping a lot of deserved criticism from the media and Liverpool fans and is a regular figure of fun from the opposition, but the buffoon picked a non-performing manager as a strawman for his mooronic arguments, which are so absurd, some people actually think he's a troll, but he actually believes at least half the garbage he spouts. Not to mention that the same Klopp is a manager whose team have dominated every single game we've played with Liverpool since Klopp took over from Brenda. Basically outclasses us with modern basic high-tempo, high-pressing football while we play our usual turgid rubbish.
And to be honest, I simply believe Liverpool have done a lot of bad transfer business in the heart of their midfield and defence which has held Klopp back. I don't know if this is Klopp's fault seeing as I don't know the dynamics between Liverpool's boardroom and the managerial staff. I certainly know every problem in Arsenal begins and ends with the out-of-touch footballing version of Mugabe who has his fingers on everything and has held sway for 21 facking years and can't get close to seriously competing for the title and gets hammered 15-3 in his last 3 matches with a Bayern team who run on a similar budget. And you still get an absolute waste of space of a cretin spamming the board with his asinine drivel that has gone beyond self-parody.
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this moron is finished for sure. Now hes resorting to sticking up for Klopp saying it's not his fault for Liverpool failures but the summer transfer window.
The same window where they literally bought the best player in the league this season in Salah
Or did the board screw him over when they bought him Mane who was the best signing in that season?
Klopp was brought up for this very reason. Becssuee you continuously defend him and make the most pathetic excuses whilst trying to attack wenger at any given opportunity... despite your hero throwing yet more points away yesterday and wenger leap frogging him. Why write such an idiotic article like this after a win in a tough game I guarantee you would have predicted us to lose.
Burnley drew away from home to spurs and Liverpool this season yet you will continue to champion trophy less failures like Pochetinno and Klopp and write drivel like this. You are a pointless human being, a waste of oxygen beyond help. Wallow in your hate and obsession of an old French bloke and kiss your Pochetinno and Klopp posters before you go to bed you facking daft loser
Who gives a fu uck about Klopp and Poch?
Why can’t you defend Wenger without the need to bring up other managers. That is literally your only defence. Every season you find a team underachieving and put them up against Wenger, yet ignore all the others who outperform us.
Can you actually tell me, why is it that you think Wenger is still the right man for Arsenal, without discussing any other team? I’m genuinely intrigued. Doubt I’ll get an answer because you are clearly a wum now
this moron is finished for sure. Now hes resorting to sticking up for Klopp saying it's not his fault for Liverpool failures but the summer transfer window.
The same window where they literally bought the best player in the league this season in Salah
Or did the board screw him over when they bought him Mane who was the best signing in that season?
Klopp was brought up for this very reason. Becssuee you continuously defend him and make the most pathetic excuses whilst trying to attack wenger at any given opportunity... despite your hero throwing yet more points away yesterday and wenger leap frogging him. Why write such an idiotic article like this after a win in a tough game I guarantee you would have predicted us to lose.
Burnley drew away from home to spurs and Liverpool this season yet you will continue to champion trophy less failures like Pochetinno and Klopp and write drivel like this. You are a pointless human being, a waste of oxygen beyond help. Wallow in your hate and obsession of an old French bloke and kiss your Pochetinno and Klopp posters before you go to bed you facking daft loser
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Again, witless clod, nobody but you brought up Klopp in this thread. Again, imbecile, the article is a critique on Wenger's decision making and has nothing to do with anyone else.
And nobody has stuck up for Klopp. If he gets the sack, he deserves it. It's a damn fact though that just about the only managerial failure on the planet with ZERO excuses is Arsene Wenger. Some managers haven't been supported enough in the transfer market or wages, some are hamstrung by power tussles with their club boards, some have little say in who is recruited into the club, some have little time to build their projects - at most a year-and-half and the axe comes down. The incompetent man in charge of us has absolutely no excuses. You're the only buffoon that can't seem to comprehend the simple fact that when a manager has had all the faith in the world invested in him and been given all the time in the world, but seems to slip further and further behind Europe's elite, then he is simply not up to the job.
If you have a problem with any specific points in the article about Wenger's match management yesterday, post a coherent thought that doesn't involve your usual mindless stupidity with your head buried up his bum hole.
comment by 🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆 (U18355)
posted 33 minutes ago
Who gives a fu uck about Klopp and Poch?
Why can’t you defend Wenger without the need to bring up other managers. That is literally your only defence. Every season you find a team underachieving and put them up against Wenger, yet ignore all the others who outperform us.
Can you actually tell me, why is it that you think Wenger is still the right man for Arsenal, without discussing any other team? I’m genuinely intrigued. Doubt I’ll get an answer because you are clearly a wum now
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It's funny. When we moved to a new stadium to enable us compete with the moneybags of Europe, I never thought I'd see the day a trophyless, young Spurs manager who operates on a considerably smaller budget than us will be the standards by which we measure ourselves.
But for that shameless half-wit above, there is no level too low to sink to defend his god.
comment by 🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆 (U18355)
posted 1 hour, 11 minutes ago
Who gives a fu uck about Klopp and Poch?
Why can’t you defend Wenger without the need to bring up other managers. That is literally your only defence. Every season you find a team underachieving and put them up against Wenger, yet ignore all the others who outperform us.
Can you actually tell me, why is it that you think Wenger is still the right man for Arsenal, without discussing any other team? I’m genuinely intrigued. Doubt I’ll get an answer because you are clearly a wum now
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The reason why other managers names come up (especially those two) is because the only way to explain to brainwashed people like yourself is to use relativity. Sheriff writes a stupid article like this and actually somehow garners support from confused people like yourself. So it becomes necessary to compare Wengers performance against other managers to give you some perspective.
Op continuously champions two loser managers who at their current clubs have achieved nothing of note in the last 3 years whilst continuously criticizing a manager who has finished above these managers 2 out of 3 times and has won 2 (or 4 depending on your perspective) trophies
When dealing with bitter twisted, biased articles reguarly, it becomes neccssary to assess the credibility of the authour. Once you dig a little you discover that all his articles are just anti wenger propaganda that has no credibility and should not be taken seriously and need to be challenged. For example, an objective poster would have commented on Wengers positives, such as tactically outclassing Poch last week not just seeking out any negative when he can find it. Posters like this deserve being challenged, but we get fools like yourself actually backing him.
Isnt anyone else bored of these constant anti Wenger articles? Hes signed for 2 more years, thats not going to change. Just give it a rest and talk about something else. Its been years of this now
"Can you actually tell me, why is it that you think Wenger is still the right man for Arsenal, without discussing any other team?"
Its neccssary to mention other managers and teams because my question to you is what other manager will get us continously completing for the league without having the resources of city chelsea or united. The only examples without those resources are Pochetinno and Klopp and they havent managed it, so name someone else who has/will?
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posted on 26/11/17
Yep he's a terrible manager, it's just luck he's having a far better season than the likes of Klopp and Pochetinno especially as not one arsenal player apart from sanchez would get in their teams
posted on 26/11/17
Wenger has to be the least proactive manager in the league. You can't even call him "reactive" either. Guy just parks himself firmly on the bench and waits for things to happen. Just bizarre.
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Wenger's philosophy is to allow players to find their own solutions on the pitch. He's never been a good manager in the traditional sense.
His strengths were talent-spotting and motivating his players (i.e George Weah saying he'd break his bones to get a result for Wenger's Monaco).
Tactically he's always been awful and never been proactive. Hence why our star-studded team from 1997-2005, filled with World Cup-winners, never retained the PL title or won the CL title.
posted on 26/11/17
Welbeck came on because he's the closest our side has to a diver and Wenger knew it might take a penalty to get through the Burnley defence.
Fortunately their defender had a moment of madness, so we didn't need a dive to get it
posted on 26/11/17
comment by The Godfather (U10154)
posted 9 minutes ago
Yep he's a terrible manager, it's just luck he's having a far better season than the likes of Klopp and Pochetinno especially as not one arsenal player apart from sanchez would get in their teams
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Wenger is a good manager. But he has come to his end. You have to be far more detailed and focussed in the modern game and just isn't. There really isn't any need to be continuously defending him. We know what wenger has meant to arsenal. But it's time just to move on.
posted on 26/11/17
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 44 minutes ago
comment by The Godfather (U10154)
posted 9 minutes ago
Yep he's a terrible manager, it's just luck he's having a far better season than the likes of Klopp and Pochetinno especially as not one arsenal player apart from sanchez would get in their teams
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Wenger is a good manager. But he has come to his end. You have to be far more detailed and focussed in the modern game and just isn't. There really isn't any need to be continuously defending him. We know what wenger has meant to arsenal. But it's time just to move on.
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If you were wenger, why would you decide to retire/move on if you are continuously out performing so called world class managers with the world at their feet such as Klopp and Pochetinno?
Who says you need a detailed approach? why has that not worked with Pochetinno and his superior team? Why have they not won a single trophy
posted on 26/11/17
"Outperforming" so-called world class managers from the 'Ropey league. This comedian is beyond help.
posted on 26/11/17
How is he continuously outperforming Klopp or Poch exactly?
posted on 26/11/17
How has Wenger had a ‘far better season’ than Klopp or Poch?
And why are your ambitions for Wenger that he outperforms clubs that have underachieved in the PL for the best part of 3 decades?
And why am I trying to have a reasonable conversation with a pointless wum 😡
posted on 26/11/17
At least we are winning Cups.....
posted on 26/11/17
comment by The Godfather (U10154)
posted 1 hour, 17 minutes ago
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 44 minutes ago
comment by The Godfather (U10154)
posted 9 minutes ago
Yep he's a terrible manager, it's just luck he's having a far better season than the likes of Klopp and Pochetinno especially as not one arsenal player apart from sanchez would get in their teams
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Wenger is a good manager. But he has come to his end. You have to be far more detailed and focussed in the modern game and just isn't. There really isn't any need to be continuously defending him. We know what wenger has meant to arsenal. But it's time just to move on.
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If you were wenger, why would you decide to retire/move on if you are continuously out performing so called world class managers with the world at their feet such as Klopp and Pochetinno?
Who says you need a detailed approach? why has that not worked with Pochetinno and his superior team? Why have they not won a single trophy
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Because he is not any closer to the title. Just take last season for example. Chelsea were in a similar position to us this season. No CL football. Chelsea challenged for the title and won it. We will 'hopefully' end back in the top 4. That's the difference.
Just look at our away record.
I lost faith in Wenger when he stuck with Giroud for 5 years whilst wasting two of the most creative players in the world. Leicester City won the title during that period. That showed me Wenger is unable to assess players these days. Look at how he changed formation last season to copy Chelsea without ever evaluating if he had the players to make it work. Had he sold Mustafi as he planned, the 3 at the back would be abysmal defensively as it is offensively at the moment. This shows Wenger has no idea why 3 at the back is working at home but failing away. So if Wenger isn't good at player assessment, not sure at tactics, what's left? Attracting players? Both Ozil and Alexis want to leave and Lemar turned us down. Not great.
posted on 26/11/17
Sheriff and Jenius with some valid points. Wenger needs to move on. Most of us knew it 7-8 years ago, now is just so obvious his shortcomings are taking the Arsenal backwards. Really sad!
posted on 26/11/17
It’s 2017 and Godfather is still defending Wenger.
posted on 26/11/17
Since poch and Klopp joined, wenger has won trophies they have won none. Wenger has finished higher than them more times than vice they have finished above him. This season wenger is currently doing better in the league
What is difficult about that for you morons to understand? If wenger is passed it then what about these two clowns who you all rate so highly??
posted on 26/11/17
comment by The Godfather (U10154)
posted 4 minutes ago
Since poch and Klopp joined, wenger has won trophies they have won none. Wenger has finished higher than them more times than vice they have finished above him. This season wenger is currently doing better in the league
What is difficult about that for you morons to understand? If wenger is passed it then what about these two clowns who you all rate so highly??
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He’s doing better by a minuscule margin this season so far, and it must have escaped your notice that we panned you 4-0. In fact, Wenger hasn’t beaten us since Klopp took over.
Klopp in only his first full season got above Wenger last season, and I’d back us to finish above you again this season despite the current league table.
You can have the FA cups. They are nice and shiny but they don’t keep you warm at night, otherwise most of your fellow fans wouldn’t be telling you that Wenger is past it.
Arsenal have lost 13 games in 2017, spread pretty evenly over the year.
Liverpool have lost 10 (too many), but 6 of them were in the space of 6 weeks.
Spurs have lost just 7.
posted on 26/11/17
comment by selbstgerechtein (U7048)
posted 2 seconds ago
comment by The Godfather (U10154)
posted 4 minutes ago
Since poch and Klopp joined, wenger has won trophies they have won none. Wenger has finished higher than them more times than vice they have finished above him. This season wenger is currently doing better in the league
What is difficult about that for you morons to understand? If wenger is passed it then what about these two clowns who you all rate so highly??
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He’s doing better by a minuscule margin this season so far, and it must have escaped your notice that we panned you 4-0. In fact, Wenger hasn’t beaten us since Klopp took over.
Klopp in only his first full season got above Wenger last season, and I’d back us to finish above you again this season despite the current league table.
You can have the FA cups. They are nice and shiny but they don’t keep you warm at night, otherwise most of your fellow fans wouldn’t be telling you that Wenger is past it.
Arsenal have lost 13 games in 2017, spread pretty evenly over the year.
Liverpool have lost 10 (too many), but 6 of them were in the space of 6 weeks.
Spurs have lost just 7.
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you are actually using calendar year stats to back up your points. Calendar year, a pointless measurement that no player or manager will ever be remembered for. You then try to go and discredit the fa cup, a legitimate achievement where in the last four years we have defeated every single top English team to win 3 trophies. For wenger to be written in the history books as the most successful manager of all time, an actual record, 7 wins that will probably not be beaten in our life time
I want arsenal to be winning leagues and champions leagues. That fact is not going to let me be brainwashed into thinking that wenger is somehow a failure whilst actual failures like Pochetinno and klopp are lauded by idiots like you who have no brain, and follow the anti arsenal doctrine spoon fed to you by the media
posted on 26/11/17
He’s doing better by a minuscule margin this season so far, and it must have escaped your notice that we panned you 4-0. In fact, Wenger hasn’t beaten us since Klopp took over.
Klopp in only his first full season got above Wenger last season, and I’d back us to finish above you again this season despite the current league table.
You can have the FA cups.
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We're two points above Liverpool now, which you dismiss as minuscule, but you only finished one point above us last season That was with Liverpool purely focusing on the league, while we were tearing things up in the Cups.
Liverpool haven't won a major title since 2006, so don't pretend you wouldn't want 3 majors in 4 years.
posted on 26/11/17
comment by The Godfather (U10154)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by selbstgerechtein (U7048)
posted 2 seconds ago
comment by The Godfather (U10154)
posted 4 minutes ago
Since poch and Klopp joined, wenger has won trophies they have won none. Wenger has finished higher than them more times than vice they have finished above him. This season wenger is currently doing better in the league
What is difficult about that for you morons to understand? If wenger is passed it then what about these two clowns who you all rate so highly??
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He’s doing better by a minuscule margin this season so far, and it must have escaped your notice that we panned you 4-0. In fact, Wenger hasn’t beaten us since Klopp took over.
Klopp in only his first full season got above Wenger last season, and I’d back us to finish above you again this season despite the current league table.
You can have the FA cups. They are nice and shiny but they don’t keep you warm at night, otherwise most of your fellow fans wouldn’t be telling you that Wenger is past it.
Arsenal have lost 13 games in 2017, spread pretty evenly over the year.
Liverpool have lost 10 (too many), but 6 of them were in the space of 6 weeks.
Spurs have lost just 7.
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you are actually using calendar year stats to back up your points. Calendar year, a pointless measurement that no player or manager will ever be remembered for. You then try to go and discredit the fa cup, a legitimate achievement where in the last four years we have defeated every single top English team to win 3 trophies. For wenger to be written in the history books as the most successful manager of all time, an actual record, 7 wins that will probably not be beaten in our life time
I want arsenal to be winning leagues and champions leagues. That fact is not going to let me be brainwashed into thinking that wenger is somehow a failure whilst actual failures like Pochetinno and klopp are lauded by idiots like you who have no brain, and follow the anti arsenal doctrine spoon fed to you by the media
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You need help mate.
Wengers been a great but he’s had it.
Roberto Martinez and Harry Redknapp have won FA Cups.
Wengers won nothing of great importance for 13 years, and in truth hasn’t even got that close to doing so for 10 years.
Klopp lost a Europa Final 15 months ago.
If Wenger is still as great as you claim then you will win the Europa this season.
Let’s see.
posted on 26/11/17
Godfather might be a bit of a plum in these parts, and not well liked but, you cannot use Klopp as a stick to beat Wenger. Wenger might be finished, but Klopp looks more like a younger, poorer Wenger every year.
Liverpool fans must be disappointed, no trophies and no defense. Glad we at least got the trophies sorted out.
Having said that, we've both got to be realistic, Liverpool can't do better than Klopp, and Arsenal when the time comes aren't going to find a ready made winning manager like Guardiola ready to come over. We'll have to take a risk with a 'prospect'. How very Arsenalish.
posted on 26/11/17
I’m not using Klopp as a stick to beat him with.
I’m challenging the idea that Wenger is continuously outperforming Klopp and Pochettino.
The idea which is clearly nonsense and seems to be based almost solely on winning the FA Cup.
posted on 26/11/17
comment by The~Distinguished~Englishman (U4080)
posted 4 minutes ago
Godfather might be a bit of a plum in these parts, and not well liked but, you cannot use Klopp as a stick to beat Wenger. Wenger might be finished, but Klopp looks more like a younger, poorer Wenger every year.
Liverpool fans must be disappointed, no trophies and no defense. Glad we at least got the trophies sorted out.
Having said that, we've both got to be realistic, Liverpool can't do better than Klopp, and Arsenal when the time comes aren't going to find a ready made winning manager like Guardiola ready to come over. We'll have to take a risk with a 'prospect'. How very Arsenalish.
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Nobody here other than the buffoon brought up Klopp. Klopp has been copping a lot of deserved criticism from the media and Liverpool fans and is a regular figure of fun from the opposition, but the buffoon picked a non-performing manager as a strawman for his mooronic arguments, which are so absurd, some people actually think he's a troll, but he actually believes at least half the garbage he spouts. Not to mention that the same Klopp is a manager whose team have dominated every single game we've played with Liverpool since Klopp took over from Brenda. Basically outclasses us with modern basic high-tempo, high-pressing football while we play our usual turgid rubbish.
And to be honest, I simply believe Liverpool have done a lot of bad transfer business in the heart of their midfield and defence which has held Klopp back. I don't know if this is Klopp's fault seeing as I don't know the dynamics between Liverpool's boardroom and the managerial staff. I certainly know every problem in Arsenal begins and ends with the out-of-touch footballing version of Mugabe who has his fingers on everything and has held sway for 21 facking years and can't get close to seriously competing for the title and gets hammered 15-3 in his last 3 matches with a Bayern team who run on a similar budget. And you still get an absolute waste of space of a cretin spamming the board with his asinine drivel that has gone beyond self-parody.
posted on 26/11/17
comment by Sheriff John Brown - bring back David Dein (U7482)
posted 1 hour, 47 minutes ago
comment by The~Distinguished~Englishman (U4080)
posted 4 minutes ago
Godfather might be a bit of a plum in these parts, and not well liked but, you cannot use Klopp as a stick to beat Wenger. Wenger might be finished, but Klopp looks more like a younger, poorer Wenger every year.
Liverpool fans must be disappointed, no trophies and no defense. Glad we at least got the trophies sorted out.
Having said that, we've both got to be realistic, Liverpool can't do better than Klopp, and Arsenal when the time comes aren't going to find a ready made winning manager like Guardiola ready to come over. We'll have to take a risk with a 'prospect'. How very Arsenalish.
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Nobody here other than the buffoon brought up Klopp. Klopp has been copping a lot of deserved criticism from the media and Liverpool fans and is a regular figure of fun from the opposition, but the buffoon picked a non-performing manager as a strawman for his mooronic arguments, which are so absurd, some people actually think he's a troll, but he actually believes at least half the garbage he spouts. Not to mention that the same Klopp is a manager whose team have dominated every single game we've played with Liverpool since Klopp took over from Brenda. Basically outclasses us with modern basic high-tempo, high-pressing football while we play our usual turgid rubbish.
And to be honest, I simply believe Liverpool have done a lot of bad transfer business in the heart of their midfield and defence which has held Klopp back. I don't know if this is Klopp's fault seeing as I don't know the dynamics between Liverpool's boardroom and the managerial staff. I certainly know every problem in Arsenal begins and ends with the out-of-touch footballing version of Mugabe who has his fingers on everything and has held sway for 21 facking years and can't get close to seriously competing for the title and gets hammered 15-3 in his last 3 matches with a Bayern team who run on a similar budget. And you still get an absolute waste of space of a cretin spamming the board with his asinine drivel that has gone beyond self-parody.
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this moron is finished for sure. Now hes resorting to sticking up for Klopp saying it's not his fault for Liverpool failures but the summer transfer window.
The same window where they literally bought the best player in the league this season in Salah
Or did the board screw him over when they bought him Mane who was the best signing in that season?
Klopp was brought up for this very reason. Becssuee you continuously defend him and make the most pathetic excuses whilst trying to attack wenger at any given opportunity... despite your hero throwing yet more points away yesterday and wenger leap frogging him. Why write such an idiotic article like this after a win in a tough game I guarantee you would have predicted us to lose.
Burnley drew away from home to spurs and Liverpool this season yet you will continue to champion trophy less failures like Pochetinno and Klopp and write drivel like this. You are a pointless human being, a waste of oxygen beyond help. Wallow in your hate and obsession of an old French bloke and kiss your Pochetinno and Klopp posters before you go to bed you facking daft loser
posted on 27/11/17
Who gives a fu uck about Klopp and Poch?
Why can’t you defend Wenger without the need to bring up other managers. That is literally your only defence. Every season you find a team underachieving and put them up against Wenger, yet ignore all the others who outperform us.
Can you actually tell me, why is it that you think Wenger is still the right man for Arsenal, without discussing any other team? I’m genuinely intrigued. Doubt I’ll get an answer because you are clearly a wum now
posted on 27/11/17
this moron is finished for sure. Now hes resorting to sticking up for Klopp saying it's not his fault for Liverpool failures but the summer transfer window.
The same window where they literally bought the best player in the league this season in Salah
Or did the board screw him over when they bought him Mane who was the best signing in that season?
Klopp was brought up for this very reason. Becssuee you continuously defend him and make the most pathetic excuses whilst trying to attack wenger at any given opportunity... despite your hero throwing yet more points away yesterday and wenger leap frogging him. Why write such an idiotic article like this after a win in a tough game I guarantee you would have predicted us to lose.
Burnley drew away from home to spurs and Liverpool this season yet you will continue to champion trophy less failures like Pochetinno and Klopp and write drivel like this. You are a pointless human being, a waste of oxygen beyond help. Wallow in your hate and obsession of an old French bloke and kiss your Pochetinno and Klopp posters before you go to bed you facking daft loser
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Again, witless clod, nobody but you brought up Klopp in this thread. Again, imbecile, the article is a critique on Wenger's decision making and has nothing to do with anyone else.
And nobody has stuck up for Klopp. If he gets the sack, he deserves it. It's a damn fact though that just about the only managerial failure on the planet with ZERO excuses is Arsene Wenger. Some managers haven't been supported enough in the transfer market or wages, some are hamstrung by power tussles with their club boards, some have little say in who is recruited into the club, some have little time to build their projects - at most a year-and-half and the axe comes down. The incompetent man in charge of us has absolutely no excuses. You're the only buffoon that can't seem to comprehend the simple fact that when a manager has had all the faith in the world invested in him and been given all the time in the world, but seems to slip further and further behind Europe's elite, then he is simply not up to the job.
If you have a problem with any specific points in the article about Wenger's match management yesterday, post a coherent thought that doesn't involve your usual mindless stupidity with your head buried up his bum hole.
posted on 27/11/17
comment by 🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆 (U18355)
posted 33 minutes ago
Who gives a fu uck about Klopp and Poch?
Why can’t you defend Wenger without the need to bring up other managers. That is literally your only defence. Every season you find a team underachieving and put them up against Wenger, yet ignore all the others who outperform us.
Can you actually tell me, why is it that you think Wenger is still the right man for Arsenal, without discussing any other team? I’m genuinely intrigued. Doubt I’ll get an answer because you are clearly a wum now
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It's funny. When we moved to a new stadium to enable us compete with the moneybags of Europe, I never thought I'd see the day a trophyless, young Spurs manager who operates on a considerably smaller budget than us will be the standards by which we measure ourselves.
But for that shameless half-wit above, there is no level too low to sink to defend his god.
posted on 27/11/17
comment by 🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆 (U18355)
posted 1 hour, 11 minutes ago
Who gives a fu uck about Klopp and Poch?
Why can’t you defend Wenger without the need to bring up other managers. That is literally your only defence. Every season you find a team underachieving and put them up against Wenger, yet ignore all the others who outperform us.
Can you actually tell me, why is it that you think Wenger is still the right man for Arsenal, without discussing any other team? I’m genuinely intrigued. Doubt I’ll get an answer because you are clearly a wum now
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The reason why other managers names come up (especially those two) is because the only way to explain to brainwashed people like yourself is to use relativity. Sheriff writes a stupid article like this and actually somehow garners support from confused people like yourself. So it becomes necessary to compare Wengers performance against other managers to give you some perspective.
Op continuously champions two loser managers who at their current clubs have achieved nothing of note in the last 3 years whilst continuously criticizing a manager who has finished above these managers 2 out of 3 times and has won 2 (or 4 depending on your perspective) trophies
When dealing with bitter twisted, biased articles reguarly, it becomes neccssary to assess the credibility of the authour. Once you dig a little you discover that all his articles are just anti wenger propaganda that has no credibility and should not be taken seriously and need to be challenged. For example, an objective poster would have commented on Wengers positives, such as tactically outclassing Poch last week not just seeking out any negative when he can find it. Posters like this deserve being challenged, but we get fools like yourself actually backing him.
Isnt anyone else bored of these constant anti Wenger articles? Hes signed for 2 more years, thats not going to change. Just give it a rest and talk about something else. Its been years of this now
"Can you actually tell me, why is it that you think Wenger is still the right man for Arsenal, without discussing any other team?"
Its neccssary to mention other managers and teams because my question to you is what other manager will get us continously completing for the league without having the resources of city chelsea or united. The only examples without those resources are Pochetinno and Klopp and they havent managed it, so name someone else who has/will?
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