Well played that man ,well played !
Good knock from Stokes. Stepped in to save a couple of bumners from a psychotic idol worshiper. Should get a medal.
Would be hilarious if he did a punching celebration if he scores a century against India
So he missed the ashes for no reason. Whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty?
Well he’s clearly a violent yob.....
comment by Everywhere you go always take Lamela with you.... (U7905)
posted 17 minutes ago
So he missed the ashes for no reason. Whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty?
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Not guilty of a criminal offence. ECB still perfectly entitled to ban him for not behaving to expected standards
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Stop being a violent thug then innit.
Complete joke, camera footage of him doing some serious damage to other people, and he gets off. What does this say, does it mean you can go around thumping people without the slightest chance of getting any punishment. Complete joke really. Stokes is a thug and he should be going down.
Sandy, knowing only what he's read in the Daily Mail, definitely knows more about the case than the jury who were taken through all the evidence for 6 days by the CPS, defence and judge.
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 15 minutes ago
Complete joke, camera footage of him doing some serious damage to other people, and he gets off. What does this say, does it mean you can go around thumping people without the slightest chance of getting any punishment. Complete joke really. Stokes is a thug and he should be going down.
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Surprised he got found not guilty. I thought the final 'forceful punch' as it was described in court, took it beyond the initial self defence argument. However I never thought he'd go to jail for it.
I don't agree that he's a thug though, sure he's a competitive character, looks a bit angry, gets into on field battles, has had a few hiccups with booze, getting kicked off tours etc. He did once punch a locker in frustration but then Matt Prior chucked his bat at a window and he's not exactly one of cricket's bad boys.
A one off incident which as far as we know started in self defence doesn't make him a thug, unless you've got any other evidence of him getting into dust ups? He's probably a bit of a bell when he's drunk but so are a lot of decent people. Doesn't make a him a thug.
Anyone who sees one man chasing another and giving him a bashing regards that as proof of self defence needs a good talking to.
Bayless will be over the moon at this news and as an Aussie probably regards this as a normal night out for a cricketer.
The BBC website reminds us that the Disciplinary committee has still to look at this. This extract from the article is an interesting summary of the Stokes record.
This is a man, after all, who was sent home from an England Lions tour in 2013 to Australia for late-night drinking. Who was reprimanded for using "obscene, offensive or insulting" language during a Test match against the West Indies in August 2017. Who was warned by a judge in 2016 that he could face jail for another driving offence, after being caught speeding four times. Who last year had to apologise to Katie Price and her disabled son Harvey for a video that showed the England player imitating a TV clip of the youngster. A man who former ECB chairman Lord MacLaurin accused of "sticking two fingers up at management" over the Bristol incident."
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Yes, he's not got a history of a saint or a role model but it's not the history of a thug either.
It'll be interesting to see what the disciplinary committee end up punishing him with. I'm sure they'd like to set some sort of example.
Total thug, I wouldn`t be paying to see any game he was playing in.
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 38 minutes ago
Total thug, I wouldn`t be paying to see any game he was playing in.
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what else has he done with his thug life?
How the F*** did he get off that? Smacks ala Gerrard to me.
Wouldn't be surprised if the powers that be had a hand in the outcome.
This is what we teach our kids now aye?
The decision came down to a jury and his defence of "self defence" remained consistent to be fair from the moment he was arrested to him standing trial and the prosecution never really gave us anything more than what we already saw.
All we've really been told is that Stokes intervened when Ali tried to use a bottle as a weapon. Has there been much of a counter argument to this?
comment by TCM (U8959)
posted 8 hours, 42 minutes ago
The decision came down to a jury and his defence of "self defence" remained consistent to be fair from the moment he was arrested to him standing trial and the prosecution never really gave us anything more than what we already saw.
All we've really been told is that Stokes intervened when Ali tried to use a bottle as a weapon. Has there been much of a counter argument to this?
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Well said TCM...... Can’t believe some armchair experts here in JA606 act like they know the whole nine yards! They have no idea about the facts; why jury gave him NOT guilty verdict. Now u may know some idiots always bring race card everywhere and act like victims all the time. I do know that racism is still alive but you can’t have chip on your shoulders all da time. Life is too short folks and stop judging anyone without all the info. Always remember: Innocent until proven guilty! They will for sure sing a different tune when they are in similar circumstances or their loved ones......
Just to add about my Indian Cricket Team: As fans we are very upset with Kohli with his team selections but not as a batsmen though!
I just want to kick Shastri’s backside with a big cricket bat 🏏
Kohli did wrong with coach Kumble and I’m sure we would have been much better prepared if he was around. Kohli’s stupidity cost us SA series as we had golden chance to win the series for the first time.... Unfortunately I now see us getting spanked left n right and don’t think we will even be able to draw a test unless rain intervenes for the whole match. I would be glad if somehow we can fight back and win at least one game or two!
Wife of Ben Stokes was beautiful but I didn't even know that he was married!
comment by fact taker (U17513)
posted 7 hours, 53 minutes ago
comment by TCM (U8959)
posted 8 hours, 42 minutes ago
The decision came down to a jury and his defence of "self defence" remained consistent to be fair from the moment he was arrested to him standing trial and the prosecution never really gave us anything more than what we already saw.
All we've really been told is that Stokes intervened when Ali tried to use a bottle as a weapon. Has there been much of a counter argument to this?
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Well said TCM...... Can’t believe some armchair experts here in JA606 act like they know the whole nine yards! They have no idea about the facts; why jury gave him NOT guilty verdict. Now u may know some idiots always bring race card everywhere and act like victims all the time. I do know that racism is still alive but you can’t have chip on your shoulders all da time. Life is too short folks and stop judging anyone without all the info. Always remember: Innocent until proven guilty! They will for sure sing a different tune when they are in similar circumstances or their loved ones......
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Most people have next to no experience of court proceedings. There's a very high evidential burden on the prosecution to prove criminal offences - they have to convince every member of the jury that the accused is guilty of EVERY element of the offence "beyond all reasonable doubt." It's not as simple as just showing the jury CCTV evidence and saying "Look, he was in a fight, he must be guilty."
If the jury weren't shown evidence compelling enough to clear that bar (i.e. if there was any reasonable doubt in any of the jury's mind), then not guilty was the correct verdict. We can only assume that was the case.
If people feel aggrieved by the verdict (not sure why they would, since they're not personally involved), then perhaps their ire should be pointed in the direction of the CPS, who had almost a year to get their case ready but ended up trying to bring a charge of ABH on the morning of trial (which the judge, correctly, threw out). Or perhaps go up the chain to the current government who are slashing public funding so hard that the CPS have almost no resources.
For what it's worth, the CPS were in an impossible position. They didn't charge Stokes with ABH or GBH because presumably they didn't think they'd succeed, so they went for the lesser public order affray charge. They couldn't possibly have NOT brought a case against Stokes given how high-profile it was, so their hands were tied even though the case was (apparently) not that strong.
@Haak....
I’m not so much familiar with judicial systems in Uk but here in USA, lots of innocent folks get f**ked up big time! Prosecutors have lot of power and if someone is found not guilty then he or she is most likely innocent. Now whatever info I or you know outside the court, it seems it was heavily biased against Stokes. Like the media, video footage etc but we don’t know other facts which jury may know. I’m not saying that Stokes is innocent but most likely he may be in this particular case as so much media was involved including ECB! May be his high profile was negative for him and got lot of attention. I’m sure average joe’s fight may not be even in any court of the world as every weekend you will see fights like these ones & lot more worse too......
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posted on 14/8/18
Well played that man ,well played !
posted on 14/8/18
Good knock from Stokes. Stepped in to save a couple of bumners from a psychotic idol worshiper. Should get a medal.
posted on 14/8/18
Would be hilarious if he did a punching celebration if he scores a century against India
posted on 14/8/18
So he missed the ashes for no reason. Whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty?
posted on 14/8/18
Well he’s clearly a violent yob.....
posted on 14/8/18
With a good barrister.
posted on 14/8/18
comment by Everywhere you go always take Lamela with you.... (U7905)
posted 17 minutes ago
So he missed the ashes for no reason. Whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty?
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Not guilty of a criminal offence. ECB still perfectly entitled to ban him for not behaving to expected standards
posted on 14/8/18
posted on 14/8/18
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posted on 14/8/18
Stop being a violent thug then innit.
posted on 14/8/18
Complete joke, camera footage of him doing some serious damage to other people, and he gets off. What does this say, does it mean you can go around thumping people without the slightest chance of getting any punishment. Complete joke really. Stokes is a thug and he should be going down.
posted on 14/8/18
Sandy, knowing only what he's read in the Daily Mail, definitely knows more about the case than the jury who were taken through all the evidence for 6 days by the CPS, defence and judge.
posted on 14/8/18
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 15 minutes ago
Complete joke, camera footage of him doing some serious damage to other people, and he gets off. What does this say, does it mean you can go around thumping people without the slightest chance of getting any punishment. Complete joke really. Stokes is a thug and he should be going down.
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Surprised he got found not guilty. I thought the final 'forceful punch' as it was described in court, took it beyond the initial self defence argument. However I never thought he'd go to jail for it.
I don't agree that he's a thug though, sure he's a competitive character, looks a bit angry, gets into on field battles, has had a few hiccups with booze, getting kicked off tours etc. He did once punch a locker in frustration but then Matt Prior chucked his bat at a window and he's not exactly one of cricket's bad boys.
A one off incident which as far as we know started in self defence doesn't make him a thug, unless you've got any other evidence of him getting into dust ups? He's probably a bit of a bell when he's drunk but so are a lot of decent people. Doesn't make a him a thug.
posted on 14/8/18
Anyone who sees one man chasing another and giving him a bashing regards that as proof of self defence needs a good talking to.
Bayless will be over the moon at this news and as an Aussie probably regards this as a normal night out for a cricketer.
posted on 14/8/18
The BBC website reminds us that the Disciplinary committee has still to look at this. This extract from the article is an interesting summary of the Stokes record.
This is a man, after all, who was sent home from an England Lions tour in 2013 to Australia for late-night drinking. Who was reprimanded for using "obscene, offensive or insulting" language during a Test match against the West Indies in August 2017. Who was warned by a judge in 2016 that he could face jail for another driving offence, after being caught speeding four times. Who last year had to apologise to Katie Price and her disabled son Harvey for a video that showed the England player imitating a TV clip of the youngster. A man who former ECB chairman Lord MacLaurin accused of "sticking two fingers up at management" over the Bristol incident."
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posted on 14/8/18
Yes, he's not got a history of a saint or a role model but it's not the history of a thug either.
It'll be interesting to see what the disciplinary committee end up punishing him with. I'm sure they'd like to set some sort of example.
posted on 14/8/18
Total thug, I wouldn`t be paying to see any game he was playing in.
posted on 14/8/18
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 38 minutes ago
Total thug, I wouldn`t be paying to see any game he was playing in.
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what else has he done with his thug life?
posted on 15/8/18
How the F*** did he get off that? Smacks ala Gerrard to me.
Wouldn't be surprised if the powers that be had a hand in the outcome.
This is what we teach our kids now aye?
posted on 15/8/18
The decision came down to a jury and his defence of "self defence" remained consistent to be fair from the moment he was arrested to him standing trial and the prosecution never really gave us anything more than what we already saw.
All we've really been told is that Stokes intervened when Ali tried to use a bottle as a weapon. Has there been much of a counter argument to this?
posted on 16/8/18
comment by TCM (U8959)
posted 8 hours, 42 minutes ago
The decision came down to a jury and his defence of "self defence" remained consistent to be fair from the moment he was arrested to him standing trial and the prosecution never really gave us anything more than what we already saw.
All we've really been told is that Stokes intervened when Ali tried to use a bottle as a weapon. Has there been much of a counter argument to this?
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Well said TCM...... Can’t believe some armchair experts here in JA606 act like they know the whole nine yards! They have no idea about the facts; why jury gave him NOT guilty verdict. Now u may know some idiots always bring race card everywhere and act like victims all the time. I do know that racism is still alive but you can’t have chip on your shoulders all da time. Life is too short folks and stop judging anyone without all the info. Always remember: Innocent until proven guilty! They will for sure sing a different tune when they are in similar circumstances or their loved ones......
posted on 16/8/18
Just to add about my Indian Cricket Team: As fans we are very upset with Kohli with his team selections but not as a batsmen though!
I just want to kick Shastri’s backside with a big cricket bat 🏏
Kohli did wrong with coach Kumble and I’m sure we would have been much better prepared if he was around. Kohli’s stupidity cost us SA series as we had golden chance to win the series for the first time.... Unfortunately I now see us getting spanked left n right and don’t think we will even be able to draw a test unless rain intervenes for the whole match. I would be glad if somehow we can fight back and win at least one game or two!
posted on 16/8/18
Wife of Ben Stokes was beautiful but I didn't even know that he was married!
posted on 16/8/18
comment by fact taker (U17513)
posted 7 hours, 53 minutes ago
comment by TCM (U8959)
posted 8 hours, 42 minutes ago
The decision came down to a jury and his defence of "self defence" remained consistent to be fair from the moment he was arrested to him standing trial and the prosecution never really gave us anything more than what we already saw.
All we've really been told is that Stokes intervened when Ali tried to use a bottle as a weapon. Has there been much of a counter argument to this?
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Well said TCM...... Can’t believe some armchair experts here in JA606 act like they know the whole nine yards! They have no idea about the facts; why jury gave him NOT guilty verdict. Now u may know some idiots always bring race card everywhere and act like victims all the time. I do know that racism is still alive but you can’t have chip on your shoulders all da time. Life is too short folks and stop judging anyone without all the info. Always remember: Innocent until proven guilty! They will for sure sing a different tune when they are in similar circumstances or their loved ones......
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Most people have next to no experience of court proceedings. There's a very high evidential burden on the prosecution to prove criminal offences - they have to convince every member of the jury that the accused is guilty of EVERY element of the offence "beyond all reasonable doubt." It's not as simple as just showing the jury CCTV evidence and saying "Look, he was in a fight, he must be guilty."
If the jury weren't shown evidence compelling enough to clear that bar (i.e. if there was any reasonable doubt in any of the jury's mind), then not guilty was the correct verdict. We can only assume that was the case.
If people feel aggrieved by the verdict (not sure why they would, since they're not personally involved), then perhaps their ire should be pointed in the direction of the CPS, who had almost a year to get their case ready but ended up trying to bring a charge of ABH on the morning of trial (which the judge, correctly, threw out). Or perhaps go up the chain to the current government who are slashing public funding so hard that the CPS have almost no resources.
For what it's worth, the CPS were in an impossible position. They didn't charge Stokes with ABH or GBH because presumably they didn't think they'd succeed, so they went for the lesser public order affray charge. They couldn't possibly have NOT brought a case against Stokes given how high-profile it was, so their hands were tied even though the case was (apparently) not that strong.
posted on 16/8/18
@Haak....
I’m not so much familiar with judicial systems in Uk but here in USA, lots of innocent folks get f**ked up big time! Prosecutors have lot of power and if someone is found not guilty then he or she is most likely innocent. Now whatever info I or you know outside the court, it seems it was heavily biased against Stokes. Like the media, video footage etc but we don’t know other facts which jury may know. I’m not saying that Stokes is innocent but most likely he may be in this particular case as so much media was involved including ECB! May be his high profile was negative for him and got lot of attention. I’m sure average joe’s fight may not be even in any court of the world as every weekend you will see fights like these ones & lot more worse too......
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