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posted on 29/12/18

For the sake of the club I really hope they don’t sack AK. There’s no other manager that could do a better job. Give him to the end of this season at least. All clubs go thro sticky patches (ask Man City) and given the chance of reinforcing in the Jan window I’m sure we can turn this around.
General opinion on here seems to be that he shouldn’t be sacked which is different to those on Twitter, where the majority of those on there want him gone/expect him to be gone this time tomorrow

comment by reddave (U8660)

posted on 29/12/18

Yet again the players have let him down badly, the highest player rating was 5/10, if that’s ‘playing for the manager’, wouldn’t like to see them ‘down tools’.
Take the Millwall goal, from their only shot on target, failed to defend a corner, defender drifts off the post, had he stayed he would have cleared comfortably. What some of these players don’t realise is when they are well off, at least 3 or 4 probably won’t get a look in under anyone else. AK has not helped himself by staying loyal to the likes of Darikwa and Dias. We have a large (probably too large) squad and AK has not utilised it. While I am quite happy for him to stay, it appears that his ‘stubborn’ streak may well cost him again. Shame really.

posted on 29/12/18

Bring on Dirty Leeds!

posted on 29/12/18

I guess post Fawaz the stability Karanka brings must be a hard pill for Forest fans to spit out.

I think he could get you up but I’m not sure he could keep you there and the dour excruciatingly methodical means by which he’d get you there and attempt to keep you there would likely have fans singing Montanier’s name from their pink seats.

His authoritarian approach to players has obviously backfired they could have played for him today but chose not to.

It does beg the question though why the master of the opium highway, would have employed him in the first place. He was never an instant success kind of manager and required a special subservient type of player that admittedly he can get a lot out of, but in terms of a new impact manager the squad isn’t made up of fun time Frankie players. It’s made up of robots that can play obediently to a system of painful reductionist football when trying to get them to switch to an attacking expansive game. It’s like asking Billy Davies to take responsibility.

Clough of all the candidates would be the best suited to take over but his timeline for success is more on a geological scale than a rich man’s desire for trophies scale.

posted on 29/12/18

Owners 🤷‍♂️ Who’d have em?

posted on 29/12/18

Anyone make any sense of the above? Answers on a postcard.

posted on 29/12/18

It does seem crazy. What was expected of Karanka? Surely he has done pretty much what you would hope for, steady the club a bit, decently organised and looking likely to gradually improve. He’s not exactly a charismatic galvaniser who might immediately transform the club but a steady pair of hands. If the owner thought otherwise he clearly hadn’t done his homework.

Derby fans can’t gloat too much because we have been through plenty of managers recently and I suppose nothing should be a surprise in football. But as we have found to our cost with such a turnover you get mish-mashes of squads containing players that previous managers wanted but maybe not the latest one, and it’s hard to shift those out of favour. What’s the new guy going to do? Rebuild again or has he got until the end of the season to sprinkle some magic dust?

posted on 29/12/18

In all fairness, with the results today, kudos to the sheep for talking football.

You’ve got to question why you’d hire a two season manager then sack him after one. I think his ‘loyalty’ to certain players is mainly rooted in not having any realistic alternatives as the mendes project brough in players who didn’t perform in key positions.

The deadwood is only going to build up. Karanka still hasn’t moved the dead wood from 3 manager past. Sacking karanka means the new guy will bring in a new roster, make a load of players redundant, but not release fringe players because he hasn’t had time to assess them.

We’ve already tried this revolving doors of managers. We ended up building about 8 different squads in four years, and were rewarded with steady decline and a gloriously large wage bill floating toxic and mediorce players.

posted on 29/12/18

Forest monkey, we are in that position. We have players like Jacob Butterfield, Ikechi Anya and Bradley Johnson who between them cost close to 15 million in transfer fees and millions more in wages. They will leave at the end of this season when their contracts expire and they will have contributed virtually nothing in their time at the club. There are others. New managers want new players and they tend to think that those that they don’t want will find their way out of the club but that often doesn’t happen. They are just a waste of space, consuming wage, bloating the numbers st training and probably sowing seeds of discontent behind the manager’s back. The job just gets harder for each successive manager, it takes at least two or three seasons to unpick it all and owners fail to see why the new guy can’t just summon up a miracle like that bloke at some other club.

posted on 29/12/18

Karanka has gone

posted on 29/12/18

Sorry I was duped by some pleb who has too much time and has created a fake account.

He still survives...... For now!

posted on 29/12/18

I think the decision has been made but probably wont be announced until Tuesday night/Wednesday morning. That will give eleven days to bring in the new manager before the next league game.

Hope I am wrong; progress is being made. Small steps forward admitted, but sacking the manager would be a massive step backward.

posted on 29/12/18

Got to agree that their flirtation with Mendes hasn’t produced a great deal. Carvalho has shown in flashes that he has talent but the other two are just a waste of a kit. It was ill advised trying to jump in the bandwagon following Wolves.

posted on 29/12/18

comment by Super_Psycho (U6336)
posted about 2 hours ago
Karanka has gone
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Yes, he has gone. Gone for a well earned glass of red away from the madness! 🍷

posted on 30/12/18

Strange that it has gone so quiet.

After the Norwich game all the journos were reporting he was under pressure and could go yet after the game yesterday there is nothing.

As you said it is probably because they are waiting to hear back from someone and when they do that is when they will announce he has gone.

Either way there is no way we are bearing Leeds with this cloud over us.

posted on 30/12/18

At least he hasn't had the dreaded vote of confidence. I am hoping that the club are maintaining a dignified silence and treating the media rumours with the contempt they deserve. Karanka isn't perfect and makes mistakes but which managers do not. We are in a far better place than we have been since before Fawaz even if the points on the board do not fully reflect that.

posted on 30/12/18

Stan Lee, you may not like the media rumours but it's clear there is substance in them. John Percy is a reliable journalist and it was obvious from Karanka's interview last night that he knows the end is nigh.

posted on 30/12/18

I'm guessing that somebody in a suit is right now discussing with our next manager who we should go for in the next window.

The feeling of apathy I had during the last days of Fawaz is returning to me and I guess I am not the only one.

Come back J J Moores

posted on 30/12/18

Who'd be a football manager?

Karanka is doing a decent job for you. Playing some good football. Not far off the play offs.

OK. You've had a poor run of results. But it'll likely turn around.

Yet all the speculation is about your gaffer.

Madness.

And when you look at the numpties running the country... they are like tur*s that just won't flush!!






posted on 30/12/18

Vidal, I'm sure you are right, it's just wishful thinking on my part. I just wish we would stick with a manager for once and give him a chance. I'm fed up of the managerial merry go round at our club.

posted on 30/12/18

Usually when a manager gets the boot you can see why, even if you think he should get a bit longer. In this case it's hard to see a logical reason why. At Derby the exits of Nigel Clough, McLaren, Clement, Pearson and Rowett all had a bit of logic to them given they way the teams were performing at the time. Maybe Clement was the exception as our position in the table was decent but there was other stuff going on behind the scenes and the style of football was very tedious. I tend to look at the overall direction of travel of the club as a whole and at Forest it seems to be moving forwards so why change? If Lampard has a bad run of results at Derby I will still think he is going about things in the right way and making progress overall. Both clubs are in similar positions really, trying to recover from recent chopping and changing and to stabilise, but in Forest's case you have Impatient New Owner Syndrome. I hope our owner has grown out of that and learned his lessons the hard way.

comment by reddave (U8660)

posted on 30/12/18

Whilst I get ‘the new owner’ philosophy, Marinakis should know better. He has been involved in football long enough to know that the ‘hire and fire’ routine seldom if ever works. Stability is the key to success, and until recently we appeared to have that at Forest. Yes, AK, has spent a good chunk of cash, but most of the acquisitions have been good, Colback, Lolley even Jenkins and Robinson all make good sense, throw Grabban into the mix and I would say recruitment has been pretty. Get rid of some the fringe players, who AK obviously doesn’t want, bring in 2 or 3 in January, and as I have said before, re-appraise in the summer if necessary. We may fall short of the play offs this season, but I don’t see us in a relegation scrap either.

comment by reddave (U8660)

posted on 30/12/18

Jenkins should be Jenko (predictive txt again)😡

posted on 30/12/18

Or even Janko?...

posted on 30/12/18

Karanka is nobody’s fool. He likes the project at Forest but I think he will walk if he feels there is interference or an abundance of negativity.

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