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Jose good appointment at the time?

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posted on 2/2/19

Dibble

comment by Roys Keane (U11635)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Dibble (U22051)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Roys Keane (U11635)
posted 58 seconds ago

Who would you have gone for out of interest?

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Not Jose

Even at the height of his powers he was never a utd manager and there were obvious warning signs in recent years that he was losing that spark. The whole Chelsea meltdown should have been enough for us to steer clear of him.
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What if there wasn't a United manager available?
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Currently in China already gave you some other alternatives
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None were United style managers though.
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Yes they were.

posted on 2/2/19

comment by it'sonlyagame (U6426)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Dibble (U22051)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by it'sonlyagame (U6426)
posted 1 minute ago
City hardly needed to be 'insanely good' to win it, Robb. Just 'very good', or standard 'title-winning-good' would have sufficed, because no-one else was much use.

You only managed 81 points, despite your early European exit. That's hardly ever going to win you a league title nowadays. (Leicester was a freak occurrence when all the usual suspects were rebuilding or just plain crap. Bit like when Mourinho won it with Chelsea, come to think of it.)

On his contract, didn't he already have a third year on it? I've given you reasons I think it was a terrible decision to extend it, how did doing that seem like a good idea?
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So 2 teams in recent years have won it with that points total?
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Define 'recent'.

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I could be wrong but I think only twice this millennium has 81 points or less won the league.

comment by Dibble (U22051)

posted on 2/2/19

comment by it'sonlyagame (U6426)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Dibble (U22051)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by it'sonlyagame (U6426)
posted 1 minute ago
City hardly needed to be 'insanely good' to win it, Robb. Just 'very good', or standard 'title-winning-good' would have sufficed, because no-one else was much use.

You only managed 81 points, despite your early European exit. That's hardly ever going to win you a league title nowadays. (Leicester was a freak occurrence when all the usual suspects were rebuilding or just plain crap. Bit like when Mourinho won it with Chelsea, come to think of it.)

On his contract, didn't he already have a third year on it? I've given you reasons I think it was a terrible decision to extend it, how did doing that seem like a good idea?
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So 2 teams in recent years have won it with that points total?
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Define 'recent'.

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Not long ago, so maybe last 4 or 5seasons

comment by Dibble (U22051)

posted on 2/2/19

comment by CurrentlyInChina (U11181)
posted 1 minute ago
Dibble

comment by Roys Keane (U11635)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Dibble (U22051)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Roys Keane (U11635)
posted 58 seconds ago

Who would you have gone for out of interest?

________

Not Jose

Even at the height of his powers he was never a utd manager and there were obvious warning signs in recent years that he was losing that spark. The whole Chelsea meltdown should have been enough for us to steer clear of him.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

What if there wasn't a United manager available?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Currently in China already gave you some other alternatives
----------------------------------------------------------------------
None were United style managers though.
-----
Yes they were.
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Which ones and how so?

posted on 2/2/19

Had united still been in a title race by Feb we would have gotten more than 81 points

posted on 2/2/19

comment by Dibble (U22051)

posted 8 seconds ago

Its easy with hindsight saying we shouldnt have appointed Jose, but to qualify that opinion you have to come up with a suitable alternative candidate and predict how they would have done over 3 seasons as you expect Ed to have done with Jose.
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So what you're saying is there are known knowns; there are things we know we know. We also know there are known unknowns; that is to say we know there are some things we do not know. But there are also unknown unknowns—the ones we don't know we don't know. And if one looks throughout the history of our club and other successful clubs, it is the latter category that tend to be the difficult ones.

posted on 2/2/19

Currently in China already gave you some other alternatives
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None were United style managers though.
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Neither was Jose. So we shouldn't have appointed him. Glad you now see it.




posted on 2/2/19

comment by Dibble (U22051)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by it'sonlyagame (U6426)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Dibble (U22051)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by it'sonlyagame (U6426)
posted 1 minute ago
City hardly needed to be 'insanely good' to win it, Robb. Just 'very good', or standard 'title-winning-good' would have sufficed, because no-one else was much use.

You only managed 81 points, despite your early European exit. That's hardly ever going to win you a league title nowadays. (Leicester was a freak occurrence when all the usual suspects were rebuilding or just plain crap. Bit like when Mourinho won it with Chelsea, come to think of it.)

On his contract, didn't he already have a third year on it? I've given you reasons I think it was a terrible decision to extend it, how did doing that seem like a good idea?
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So 2 teams in recent years have won it with that points total?
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Define 'recent'.

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Not long ago, so maybe last 4 or 5seasons
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Then it's once. I make it 3 in 18 full seasons this century.

That's one in six, which really isn't a very great probability when you rarely have more than 3 or 4 likely candidates at the start of the season.

posted on 2/2/19

comment by Dibble (U22051)

posted 1 minute ago

comment by CurrentlyInChina (U11181)
posted 1 minute ago
Dibble

comment by Roys Keane (U11635)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Dibble (U22051)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Roys Keane (U11635)
posted 58 seconds ago

Who would you have gone for out of interest?

________

Not Jose

Even at the height of his powers he was never a utd manager and there were obvious warning signs in recent years that he was losing that spark. The whole Chelsea meltdown should have been enough for us to steer clear of him.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

What if there wasn't a United manager available?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Currently in China already gave you some other alternatives
----------------------------------------------------------------------
None were United style managers though.
-----
Yes they were.
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Which ones and how so?
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All of them.
Giggs and Ole speak for themselves.
Carlo a winner wherever he's gone and adaptable coach.
Alegri very good at using what he has and plays on the front foot.

Jose wasn't. Defend and sneak a win. Portuguese Big Sam. If Sam had the teams Jose had, he'd win just as many.

posted on 2/2/19

comment by Robb Ferguson (U21234)
posted 3 minutes ago
Had united still been in a title race by Feb we would have gotten more than 81 points
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I wouldn't have bet on it.


comment by Dibble (U22051)

posted on 2/2/19

comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 2 minutes ago
Currently in China already gave you some other alternatives
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None were United style managers though.
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Neither was Jose. So we shouldn't have appointed him. Glad you now see it.





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He was the best available. Was else could Ed do?

posted on 2/2/19

In fact some idiot did bet on it despite the fact we were not in the title race.

posted on 2/2/19

Ultimately Jose got us into the CL every full season he was at the club so in the very minimum of senses he did what the club needed done as we all know that getting CL football is the minimum requirement for the club. LVg couldnt do that so was rightly sacked

comment by Dibble (U22051)

posted on 2/2/19

comment by CurrentlyInChina (U11181)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Dibble (U22051)

posted 1 minute ago

comment by CurrentlyInChina (U11181)
posted 1 minute ago
Dibble

comment by Roys Keane (U11635)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Dibble (U22051)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Roys Keane (U11635)
posted 58 seconds ago

Who would you have gone for out of interest?

________

Not Jose

Even at the height of his powers he was never a utd manager and there were obvious warning signs in recent years that he was losing that spark. The whole Chelsea meltdown should have been enough for us to steer clear of him.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

What if there wasn't a United manager available?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Currently in China already gave you some other alternatives
----------------------------------------------------------------------
None were United style managers though.
-----
Yes they were.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Which ones and how so?
----
All of them.
Giggs and Ole speak for themselves.
Carlo a winner wherever he's gone and adaptable coach.
Alegri very good at using what he has and plays on the front foot.

Jose wasn't. Defend and sneak a win. Portuguese Big Sam. If Sam had the teams Jose had, he'd win just as many.
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How does Giggs qualify as a United type manager. Using that logic any of ex greats qualify.

Ole is in a no lose situation and living his dream.

Carlo wasn't available and has has his day.

Allegri is a strong contender but an unyestws outside of Italy.

posted on 2/2/19

Who was that VC?

comment by Dibble (U22051)

posted on 2/2/19

Untested

posted on 2/2/19

comment by Roys Keane (U11635)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by Robb Ferguson (U21234)
posted 10 seconds ago
Poch all the way for next manager

If they win today they go ahead of City. And that’s without spending a single penny this summer
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OLE didn't spend any money last summer either

posted on 2/2/19

only just saw this article
I answered this question before Jose joined and a couple of games after the first team started when we were on a winning run.

Jose is the antithesis of what utd represent and he will never be on the same level as pep again

http://www.ja606.co.uk/articles/viewArticle/352750

posted on 2/2/19

comment by CurrentlyInChina (U11181)
posted 29 seconds ago
Who was that VC?
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The Nobb. His idiocy knows no bounds. He bet we would get 89 points despite us not being in the race.

posted on 2/2/19

comment by Roys Keane (U11635)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Roys Keane (U11635)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by Robb Ferguson (U21234)
posted 10 seconds ago
Poch all the way for next manager

If they win today they go ahead of City. And that’s without spending a single penny this summer
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OLE didn't spend any money last summer either

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Cool

comment by Dibble (U22051)

posted on 2/2/19

Allegri won 1 title with Milan before going to Italy's version of Celtic. He has also said he will retire at 55 due to the stresses of the job.

No thanks

posted on 2/2/19

comment by Dibble (U22051)
posted 1 minute ago
Allegri won 1 title with Milan before going to Italy's version of Celtic. He has also said he will retire at 55 due to the stresses of the job.

No thanks
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I suppose you think Jose is the poster boy of stress management

Was that before or after he abused the female medical


posted on 2/2/19

comment by Robb Ferguson (U21234)
posted 4 minutes ago
Had united still been in a title race by Feb we would have gotten more than 81 points
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That's pure speculation, Robb.

An opposing view would say that you should've been killing it by the end of the season in order to carry some momentum into the new season.

posted on 2/2/19

comment by it'sonlyagame (U6426)
posted 28 seconds ago
comment by Robb Ferguson (U21234)
posted 4 minutes ago
Had united still been in a title race by Feb we would have gotten more than 81 points
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That's pure speculation, Robb.

An opposing view would say that you should've been killing it by the end of the season in order to carry some momentum into the new season.


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Very rarely happens like that though. Psychologically when you’re not in a title race you don’t have the same intensity as the season draws to a close. Happens all the time. We did have an FA cup run and went to Wembley and beat Spurs and were the better team in the final but sadly got beaten

posted on 2/2/19

That's pure speculation, Robb.

An opposing view would say that you should've been killing it by the end of the season in order to carry some momentum into the new season.

.......

One might have thought that was Nobbs reasoning behind his iidiotc suggestion we would get 89 points.




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