comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 18 minutes ago
This American Imperialism thing. I am interested to know, when was the last time they stuck a flag in another country and claimed it as their own?
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They have changed tactics they just choose who should rule a country.Someone who is sympathetic in sharing their resources.
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 25 minutes ago
This American Imperialism thing. I am interested to know, when was the last time they stuck a flag in another country and claimed it as their own?
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The US doesn't do flags, it forced the dollar on everyone.
'Hegemony rules ok'.
comment by Shaun M - F**k off to the football league (U9955)
posted 1 hour, 10 minutes ago
They were supposed to bomb Kyoto but spared it for its beauty and heritage, they bombed Hiroshima instead.
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They didn’t bomb Kyoto because they couldn’t get a visual on their target. That city was saved by the weather
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 21 minutes ago
This American Imperialism thing. I am interested to know, when was the last time they stuck a flag in another country and claimed it as their own?
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It's not in their interest to capture and hold a whole load of territories under the Stars and Stripes. With roughly 800 overseas military bases around the world, the U.S. can control what goes on without burdening itself with having to grant citizenship rights to billions worldwide.
This article provides a pretty interesting take on it:
https://www.theguardian.com/news/2019/feb/15/the-us-hidden-empire-overseas-territories-united-states-guam-puerto-rico-american-samoa
In answer to the OP, I don't know because it's an ethical dilemma.
My mum was one of the most peace loving and quiet person you could meet. I remeber talking to her about bamber Harris and Dresden, she didn't approve but said,
"we were at war, we had to win, otherwise our lives, country, everything would be gone"
So I figure when you are at war, a real war where you are fighting for your lives, some things go that would not otherwise be acceptable.
A mate of mine taught English in Japan.
He said the offical line in Japanese schools is:
America did a terrible thing but we forgive them and now they're our friends.
Absolutely nothing is taught about Pearl Harbour, the invasions of China, Malaysia and the Phillipines or the attacks on Austrailia or other countries by the Japanese in the 1940's.
The US doesn't do flags, it forced the dollar on everyone.
......
Really. So this Japanese Yen thing is just a figmant of the global stock markets imagination.
comment by Boris 'Taffy' Gibson (U5901)
posted 21 seconds ago
A mate of mine taught English in Japan.
He said the offical line in Japanese schools is:
America did a terrible thing but we forgive them and now they're our friends.
Absolutely nothing is taught about Pearl Harbour, the invasions of China, Malaysia and the Phillipines or the attacks on Austrailia or other countries by the Japanese in the 1940's.
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Binky
It seems that it was not taught to the usual cretins on this site either.
Chief of Staff to Presidents Franklin Roosevelt and Harry Truman
"It is my opinion that the use of this barbarous weapon at Hiroshima and Nagasaki was of no material assistance in our war against Japan. The Japanese were already defeated and ready to surrender because of the effective sea blockade and the successful bombing with conventional weapons.
"The lethal possibilities of atomic warfare in the future are frightening. My own feeling was that in being the first to use it, we had adopted an ethical standard common to the barbarians of the Dark Ages. I was not taught to make war in that fashion, and wars cannot be won by destroying women and children."
In a February 12, 1947 letter to Henry Stimson (Sec. of War during WWII), Grew responded to the defense of the atomic bombings Stimson had made in a February 1947 Harpers magazine article:
"...in the light of available evidence I myself and others felt that if such a categorical statement about the [retention of the] dynasty had been issued in May, 1945, the surrender-minded elements in the [Japanese] Government might well have been afforded by such a statement a valid reason and the necessary strength to come to an early clearcut decision.
"If surrender could have been brought about in May, 1945, or even in June or July, before the entrance of Soviet Russia into the [Pacific] war and the use of the atomic bomb, the world would have been the gainer."
Brigadier General Carter Clarke
(The military intelligence officer in charge of preparing intercepted Japanese cables - the MAGIC summaries - for Truman and his advisors)
"...when we didn't need to do it, and we knew we didn't need to do it, and they knew that we knew we didn't need to do it, we used them as an experiment for two atomic bombs."
You can all find a dozen more quotes (and sources) from military and government officials in the link below. They all say pretty much the same thing, it didn't need to happen.
http://www.doug-long.com/quotes.htm
comment by Boris 'Taffy' Gibson (U5901)
posted 9 minutes ago
A mate of mine taught English in Japan.
He said the offical line in Japanese schools is:
America did a terrible thing but we forgive them and now they're our friends.
Absolutely nothing is taught about Pearl Harbour, the invasions of China, Malaysia and the Phillipines or the attacks on Austrailia or other countries by the Japanese in the 1940's.
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Which country teaches it's children of it's own criminal acts?
Kung Fu.
Other people in the USA at the time had different opinions, you are just quoting people from one side.
The women and children argument was lost when cities started being bombed.
I don't think they should have done it, but the Japanese were making a rod for their own backs with the treatment of prisoners, their attitude to war, the bombing of Pearl Harbour.
Like many thinks we look at the past through the spectacles of todays attitudes.
I believe Germany does Kung Fu, or they did at least, I have no up to date knowledge.
Did the means justify the end though?
I had an uncle who was a Japanese POW and I still remember the horrific stories he told me as a kid.
Interestingly he said the Japnese weren't particularly cruel and eat the same food as the prisioners.
The Korean gurads (who rarely get a mention) were totally different - Sadistic beatings and arbitary executions, ate well on food pillaged from local villages.
If it wasn't for the Bombs, him and 1000's of other allied prisioners would have died in Asian prison camps.
comment by Boris 'Taffy' Gibson (U5901)
posted 20 minutes ago
A mate of mine taught English in Japan.
He said the offical line in Japanese schools is:
America did a terrible thing but we forgive them and now they're our friends.
Absolutely nothing is taught about Pearl Harbour, the invasions of China, Malaysia and the Phillipines or the attacks on Austrailia or other countries by the Japanese in the 1940's.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Unit 731 should also be mentioned
Which country teaches it's children of it's own criminal acts?
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Very few tbh, but we don't completely erase them from our history.
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 56 minutes ago
This American Imperialism thing. I am interested to know, when was the last time they stuck a flag in another country and claimed it as their own?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The moon.
Allegedly.
comment by Boris 'Taffy' Gibson (U5901)
posted 2 minutes ago
Did the means justify the end though?
I had an uncle who was a Japanese POW and I still remember the horrific stories he told me as a kid.
Interestingly he said the Japnese weren't particularly cruel and eat the same food as the prisioners.
The Korean gurads (who rarely get a mention) were totally different - Sadistic beatings and arbitary executions, ate well on food pillaged from local villages.
If it wasn't for the Bombs, him and 1000's of other allied prisioners would have died in Asian prison camps.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Similar to the na zi death camps. Quite a lot of the guards were Ukrainian with a handful of SS especially in sobibor and treblinka
We never got taught about the British empire at school, it would've probably made history worth attending.
We did Martial, but not much of the bad parts; eg the Amritsar massacre.
Maybe it would of been better if Japan had overrun the far east captured Australia and were still running things now
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 9 minutes ago
Kung Fu.
Other people in the USA at the time had different opinions, you are just quoting people from one side.
The women and children argument was lost when cities started being bombed.
I don't think they should have done it, but the Japanese were making a rod for their own backs with the treatment of prisoners, their attitude to war, the bombing of Pearl Harbour.
Like many thinks we look at the past through the spectacles of todays attitudes.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It would be good to see some info from the other side if you have a good source?
On Germany teaching their children about their own atrocities, I'm happy somebody has taken the responsibility to do it. We need to do the same over here as well.
comment by The Lambeau Leap (U21050)
posted 1 hour, 26 minutes ago
In retrospect, I wish they’d dropped it on an unpopulated island or part of the peninsula wishing view of Tokyo in a sort of “surrender or the next one’s going on your head” statement.
That aside, dropping the bomb probably saved the world from further, more devastating conflict between Russia and the West.
It’s also hard to feel any sympathy for the Japanese Empire of the 1920s-40s. They had it coming,
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should iraq, syria and libya nuclear bomb new york and la because america has it coming
Hindsight is a wonderful thing
Back then any land invasion of Japan which would possibly have needed to happen to end the war could have claimed 1 million lives as the Japanese were willing to give their lives to stop an invasion
Had to laugh at someone on here who said life wasn’t particularly bad at POW camps in Japan. Barbaric doesn’t even describe how bad it was.
Japan recovered after the war and with American help became a major economy and no longer a threat to their neighbours like they were back then.
Read up on some of the absolutely evil things they did to the Chinese.
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 37 seconds ago
We did Martial, but not much of the bad parts; eg the Amritsar massacre.
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I hated history at school, everyone in my class failed it in GCSE because they shoved crap like Jack the Ripper down our necks. I hated it. If they actually taught us about our country's past then I would've been so much more up for the lessons.
We were taught about the slave trade and Britains part in it at primary school, I still have the books.
When I did History O Level (GCSE to you youngsters) it centred on the Tudors and Plantagenets which had very little bearing on modern life.
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posted on 21/4/19
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 18 minutes ago
This American Imperialism thing. I am interested to know, when was the last time they stuck a flag in another country and claimed it as their own?
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They have changed tactics they just choose who should rule a country.Someone who is sympathetic in sharing their resources.
posted on 21/4/19
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 25 minutes ago
This American Imperialism thing. I am interested to know, when was the last time they stuck a flag in another country and claimed it as their own?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The US doesn't do flags, it forced the dollar on everyone.
'Hegemony rules ok'.
posted on 21/4/19
comment by Shaun M - F**k off to the football league (U9955)
posted 1 hour, 10 minutes ago
They were supposed to bomb Kyoto but spared it for its beauty and heritage, they bombed Hiroshima instead.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
They didn’t bomb Kyoto because they couldn’t get a visual on their target. That city was saved by the weather
posted on 21/4/19
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 21 minutes ago
This American Imperialism thing. I am interested to know, when was the last time they stuck a flag in another country and claimed it as their own?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It's not in their interest to capture and hold a whole load of territories under the Stars and Stripes. With roughly 800 overseas military bases around the world, the U.S. can control what goes on without burdening itself with having to grant citizenship rights to billions worldwide.
This article provides a pretty interesting take on it:
https://www.theguardian.com/news/2019/feb/15/the-us-hidden-empire-overseas-territories-united-states-guam-puerto-rico-american-samoa
posted on 21/4/19
In answer to the OP, I don't know because it's an ethical dilemma.
My mum was one of the most peace loving and quiet person you could meet. I remeber talking to her about bamber Harris and Dresden, she didn't approve but said,
"we were at war, we had to win, otherwise our lives, country, everything would be gone"
So I figure when you are at war, a real war where you are fighting for your lives, some things go that would not otherwise be acceptable.
posted on 21/4/19
A mate of mine taught English in Japan.
He said the offical line in Japanese schools is:
America did a terrible thing but we forgive them and now they're our friends.
Absolutely nothing is taught about Pearl Harbour, the invasions of China, Malaysia and the Phillipines or the attacks on Austrailia or other countries by the Japanese in the 1940's.
posted on 21/4/19
The US doesn't do flags, it forced the dollar on everyone.
......
Really. So this Japanese Yen thing is just a figmant of the global stock markets imagination.
posted on 21/4/19
comment by Boris 'Taffy' Gibson (U5901)
posted 21 seconds ago
A mate of mine taught English in Japan.
He said the offical line in Japanese schools is:
America did a terrible thing but we forgive them and now they're our friends.
Absolutely nothing is taught about Pearl Harbour, the invasions of China, Malaysia and the Phillipines or the attacks on Austrailia or other countries by the Japanese in the 1940's.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Binky
It seems that it was not taught to the usual cretins on this site either.
posted on 21/4/19
Chief of Staff to Presidents Franklin Roosevelt and Harry Truman
"It is my opinion that the use of this barbarous weapon at Hiroshima and Nagasaki was of no material assistance in our war against Japan. The Japanese were already defeated and ready to surrender because of the effective sea blockade and the successful bombing with conventional weapons.
"The lethal possibilities of atomic warfare in the future are frightening. My own feeling was that in being the first to use it, we had adopted an ethical standard common to the barbarians of the Dark Ages. I was not taught to make war in that fashion, and wars cannot be won by destroying women and children."
In a February 12, 1947 letter to Henry Stimson (Sec. of War during WWII), Grew responded to the defense of the atomic bombings Stimson had made in a February 1947 Harpers magazine article:
"...in the light of available evidence I myself and others felt that if such a categorical statement about the [retention of the] dynasty had been issued in May, 1945, the surrender-minded elements in the [Japanese] Government might well have been afforded by such a statement a valid reason and the necessary strength to come to an early clearcut decision.
"If surrender could have been brought about in May, 1945, or even in June or July, before the entrance of Soviet Russia into the [Pacific] war and the use of the atomic bomb, the world would have been the gainer."
Brigadier General Carter Clarke
(The military intelligence officer in charge of preparing intercepted Japanese cables - the MAGIC summaries - for Truman and his advisors)
"...when we didn't need to do it, and we knew we didn't need to do it, and they knew that we knew we didn't need to do it, we used them as an experiment for two atomic bombs."
You can all find a dozen more quotes (and sources) from military and government officials in the link below. They all say pretty much the same thing, it didn't need to happen.
http://www.doug-long.com/quotes.htm
posted on 21/4/19
comment by Boris 'Taffy' Gibson (U5901)
posted 9 minutes ago
A mate of mine taught English in Japan.
He said the offical line in Japanese schools is:
America did a terrible thing but we forgive them and now they're our friends.
Absolutely nothing is taught about Pearl Harbour, the invasions of China, Malaysia and the Phillipines or the attacks on Austrailia or other countries by the Japanese in the 1940's.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Which country teaches it's children of it's own criminal acts?
posted on 21/4/19
Kung Fu.
Other people in the USA at the time had different opinions, you are just quoting people from one side.
The women and children argument was lost when cities started being bombed.
I don't think they should have done it, but the Japanese were making a rod for their own backs with the treatment of prisoners, their attitude to war, the bombing of Pearl Harbour.
Like many thinks we look at the past through the spectacles of todays attitudes.
posted on 21/4/19
I believe Germany does Kung Fu, or they did at least, I have no up to date knowledge.
posted on 21/4/19
Did the means justify the end though?
I had an uncle who was a Japanese POW and I still remember the horrific stories he told me as a kid.
Interestingly he said the Japnese weren't particularly cruel and eat the same food as the prisioners.
The Korean gurads (who rarely get a mention) were totally different - Sadistic beatings and arbitary executions, ate well on food pillaged from local villages.
If it wasn't for the Bombs, him and 1000's of other allied prisioners would have died in Asian prison camps.
posted on 21/4/19
comment by Boris 'Taffy' Gibson (U5901)
posted 20 minutes ago
A mate of mine taught English in Japan.
He said the offical line in Japanese schools is:
America did a terrible thing but we forgive them and now they're our friends.
Absolutely nothing is taught about Pearl Harbour, the invasions of China, Malaysia and the Phillipines or the attacks on Austrailia or other countries by the Japanese in the 1940's.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Unit 731 should also be mentioned
posted on 21/4/19
Which country teaches it's children of it's own criminal acts?
----------------------------------------
Very few tbh, but we don't completely erase them from our history.
posted on 21/4/19
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 56 minutes ago
This American Imperialism thing. I am interested to know, when was the last time they stuck a flag in another country and claimed it as their own?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The moon.
Allegedly.
posted on 21/4/19
comment by Boris 'Taffy' Gibson (U5901)
posted 2 minutes ago
Did the means justify the end though?
I had an uncle who was a Japanese POW and I still remember the horrific stories he told me as a kid.
Interestingly he said the Japnese weren't particularly cruel and eat the same food as the prisioners.
The Korean gurads (who rarely get a mention) were totally different - Sadistic beatings and arbitary executions, ate well on food pillaged from local villages.
If it wasn't for the Bombs, him and 1000's of other allied prisioners would have died in Asian prison camps.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Similar to the na zi death camps. Quite a lot of the guards were Ukrainian with a handful of SS especially in sobibor and treblinka
posted on 21/4/19
We never got taught about the British empire at school, it would've probably made history worth attending.
posted on 21/4/19
We did Martial, but not much of the bad parts; eg the Amritsar massacre.
posted on 21/4/19
Maybe it would of been better if Japan had overrun the far east captured Australia and were still running things now
posted on 21/4/19
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 9 minutes ago
Kung Fu.
Other people in the USA at the time had different opinions, you are just quoting people from one side.
The women and children argument was lost when cities started being bombed.
I don't think they should have done it, but the Japanese were making a rod for their own backs with the treatment of prisoners, their attitude to war, the bombing of Pearl Harbour.
Like many thinks we look at the past through the spectacles of todays attitudes.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It would be good to see some info from the other side if you have a good source?
On Germany teaching their children about their own atrocities, I'm happy somebody has taken the responsibility to do it. We need to do the same over here as well.
posted on 21/4/19
comment by The Lambeau Leap (U21050)
posted 1 hour, 26 minutes ago
In retrospect, I wish they’d dropped it on an unpopulated island or part of the peninsula wishing view of Tokyo in a sort of “surrender or the next one’s going on your head” statement.
That aside, dropping the bomb probably saved the world from further, more devastating conflict between Russia and the West.
It’s also hard to feel any sympathy for the Japanese Empire of the 1920s-40s. They had it coming,
----------------------------------------------------------------------
should iraq, syria and libya nuclear bomb new york and la because america has it coming
posted on 21/4/19
Hindsight is a wonderful thing
Back then any land invasion of Japan which would possibly have needed to happen to end the war could have claimed 1 million lives as the Japanese were willing to give their lives to stop an invasion
Had to laugh at someone on here who said life wasn’t particularly bad at POW camps in Japan. Barbaric doesn’t even describe how bad it was.
Japan recovered after the war and with American help became a major economy and no longer a threat to their neighbours like they were back then.
Read up on some of the absolutely evil things they did to the Chinese.
posted on 21/4/19
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 37 seconds ago
We did Martial, but not much of the bad parts; eg the Amritsar massacre.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I hated history at school, everyone in my class failed it in GCSE because they shoved crap like Jack the Ripper down our necks. I hated it. If they actually taught us about our country's past then I would've been so much more up for the lessons.
posted on 21/4/19
We were taught about the slave trade and Britains part in it at primary school, I still have the books.
When I did History O Level (GCSE to you youngsters) it centred on the Tudors and Plantagenets which had very little bearing on modern life.
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