valencia was a solid defensive fullback and rarely got beaten thanks to being a specimen. Valencia pre jose fallout was imho as solid a defensive fullback as you will ever wish for and that i think AWB can ever be.
Yet he was lambasted for being unable to offer enough going forward. The same happened with darmian in his early days before he lost his confidence. So why will AWB be any different? because he is english?
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comment by Super Ed (U22147)
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After leaking goals like a sieve last season, the priority for me in a full back is can he defend. If he can get forward and cross a ball in, bonus, otherwise, let the forwards worry about that.
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so you think the solution to our defensive frailities is a fullback with a single season's experience and who is poor going forward?
I guess you must be right since crystal palace were able to concede one less goal than our leaky defence.
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And his many great seasons had Robertson had before you signed him?
And he isnt poor going forward. He is just very good defensively.
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and how much did liverpool pay for robertson?
you don't pay stupid money for a player after one season unless you fell they fall inton the potential world beater category. Maybe I am blind and don't just see what everyone else see or maybe having watched a lot of young players flatter to deceive I am more of a cynic
Smalling hadn’t, but Jones had played 35 prem games to AWB’s 42, and was just as highly rated. £20m back then for a guy that had played 35 prem games was a lot of money. So they are comparable. However, it doesn’t mean that because Jones didn’t turn out the way we’d hoped that a signing in similar circumstances won’t either. Especially when you consider Wan Bissaka looks a better player than what we have in that position, whereas Phil Jones never did when we signed him.
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valencia was a solid defensive fullback and rarely got beaten thanks to being a specimen. Valencia pre jose fallout was imho as solid a defensive fullback as you will ever wish for and that i think AWB can ever be.
Yet he was lambasted for being unable to offer enough going forward. The same happened with darmian in his early days before he lost his confidence. So why will AWB be any different? because he is english?
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Because he is still very young
What we need is for these players to be coached properly. Look at what Pep and Klopp have done with their fullbacks, they've coached them to the point that they are one of the in the league both in defence and attack.
A player of AWB's age has so much room for that to happen too, but like I said we need Ole to actually work on him in the training ground.
like i said I have seen many young players have a decent season and get overhyped. jones is one example of the hundred out there.
I personally have not seen enough to suggest that AWB is any better than any other overhyped talent that have come before to justify spending the amount being quoted.
ps I remember having the same conversation with people on here who were convinced renanto was the saviour and we should pay whatever we could to sign him
comment by Martial FC (U11781)
posted 6 minutes ago
What we need is for these players to be coached properly. Look at what Pep and Klopp have done with their fullbacks, they've coached them to the point that they are one of the in the league both in defence and attack.
A player of AWB's age has so much room for that to happen too, but like I said we need Ole to actually work on him in the training ground.
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Ole is a shiiiiit manager though.
You lot need better.
Yeah that’s the thing. It’s not often you get young full backs that aren’t without their flaws, it’s usually on both ends, AWB is already a good defender, however.
Right back is a difficult market, there’s not that many around that tick all the boxes. I’d prefer a better attacking right back, but I can see the value in signing AWB as a long term solution to a long term problem.
comment by julian weigl-the regista we need (U13920)
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like i said I have seen many young players have a decent season and get overhyped. jones is one example of the hundred out there.
I personally have not seen enough to suggest that AWB is any better than any other overhyped talent that have come before to justify spending the amount being quoted.
ps I remember having the same conversation with people on here who were convinced renanto was the saviour and we should pay whatever we could to sign him
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Young player + big price tag does not automatically = over hyped.
Let's just have a little faith IF this happens.
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comment by julian weigl-the regista we need (U13920)
posted 55 seconds ago
like i said I have seen many young players have a decent season and get overhyped. jones is one example of the hundred out there.
I personally have not seen enough to suggest that AWB is any better than any other overhyped talent that have come before to justify spending the amount being quoted.
ps I remember having the same conversation with people on here who were convinced renanto was the saviour and we should pay whatever we could to sign him
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Young player + big price tag does not automatically = over hyped.
Let's just have a little faith IF this happens.
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you can and you should have faith
but like i have always done I will stay objective and try not to buy into the hype until he is a utd player. If he does become a utd i will pray for his success like I did for jones and shaw.
You could probably get Doherty for half of that.
https://www.theguardian.com/football/who-scored-blog/2019/jan/10/young-players-ready-championship-premier-league
Already a really good right back at a great age to improve even further. Would be delighted if we got him. Don’t know the ins and outs of our finances and how much we have to spend, so whatever the price may be as long as we don’t bankrupt ourselves or not leave enough to strengthen other areas then so be it.
Nelson semedo at Barcelona is available for around 50 million by all accounts and for me would be a better option
Pay Crystal Palace what they want for him, I can't take another season of Young at right-back to be honest.
comment by Super Ed (U22147)
posted 8 hours, 57 minutes ago
Crazy how fees are going. People.were up in arms when we paid £27m for Shaw.
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Yeah, we overpaid. Considering pool got Robertson for 8 m who’s miles better
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comment by Super Ed (U22147)
posted 8 hours, 57 minutes ago
Crazy how fees are going. People.were up in arms when we paid £27m for Shaw.
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Yeah, we overpaid. Considering pool got Robertson for 8 m who’s miles better
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You wouldn't have said that at the time though would you? Robertson has turned out better.
Shaw has been unlucky with injuries and of course the man utd manager malaise hasn't helped him at all
comment by Nostraduncus (U11713)
posted 38 minutes ago
Nelson semedo at Barcelona is available for around 50 million by all accounts and for me would be a better option
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Looks a poor defender whenever I’ve seen him.
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comment by Ole-Dirty-Baz ta’rd (U19119)
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comment by Super Ed (U22147)
posted 8 hours, 57 minutes ago
Crazy how fees are going. People.were up in arms when we paid £27m for Shaw.
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Yeah, we overpaid. Considering pool got Robertson for 8 m who’s miles better
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You wouldn't have said that at the time though would you? Robertson has turned out better.
Shaw has been unlucky with injuries and of course the man utd manager malaise hasn't helped him at all
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Actually, believe it or not i did want to get him at the time. I’d seen him play for hull and was impressed..which I wasn’t when I saw shaw for saints.
comment by Matth_2015 (U20438)
posted 46 minutes ago
Pay Crystal Palace what they want for him.
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100% agreed
If we had bought Robertson from Hull for £8m most of our 'fans' would have moaned and cried about it.
We sadly live in an age where most people rate you by your transfer fee.
Liverpool got 4/5 quality signings for what we paid just for Lukaku. I hate them so much but credit where credit is due. After 20 odd years of bad recruitment they have finally sorted it.
If it means Ashley Young is is moved out the starting 11 then we should pay the £60m
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posted on 10/6/19
valencia was a solid defensive fullback and rarely got beaten thanks to being a specimen. Valencia pre jose fallout was imho as solid a defensive fullback as you will ever wish for and that i think AWB can ever be.
Yet he was lambasted for being unable to offer enough going forward. The same happened with darmian in his early days before he lost his confidence. So why will AWB be any different? because he is english?
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posted on 10/6/19
comment by Super Ed (U22147)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by julian weigl-the regista we need (U13920)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Super Ed (U22147)
posted 2 seconds ago
After leaking goals like a sieve last season, the priority for me in a full back is can he defend. If he can get forward and cross a ball in, bonus, otherwise, let the forwards worry about that.
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so you think the solution to our defensive frailities is a fullback with a single season's experience and who is poor going forward?
I guess you must be right since crystal palace were able to concede one less goal than our leaky defence.
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And his many great seasons had Robertson had before you signed him?
And he isnt poor going forward. He is just very good defensively.
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and how much did liverpool pay for robertson?
you don't pay stupid money for a player after one season unless you fell they fall inton the potential world beater category. Maybe I am blind and don't just see what everyone else see or maybe having watched a lot of young players flatter to deceive I am more of a cynic
posted on 10/6/19
Smalling hadn’t, but Jones had played 35 prem games to AWB’s 42, and was just as highly rated. £20m back then for a guy that had played 35 prem games was a lot of money. So they are comparable. However, it doesn’t mean that because Jones didn’t turn out the way we’d hoped that a signing in similar circumstances won’t either. Especially when you consider Wan Bissaka looks a better player than what we have in that position, whereas Phil Jones never did when we signed him.
posted on 10/6/19
comment by julian weigl-the regista we need (U13920)
posted 4 minutes ago
valencia was a solid defensive fullback and rarely got beaten thanks to being a specimen. Valencia pre jose fallout was imho as solid a defensive fullback as you will ever wish for and that i think AWB can ever be.
Yet he was lambasted for being unable to offer enough going forward. The same happened with darmian in his early days before he lost his confidence. So why will AWB be any different? because he is english?
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Because he is still very young
posted on 10/6/19
What we need is for these players to be coached properly. Look at what Pep and Klopp have done with their fullbacks, they've coached them to the point that they are one of the in the league both in defence and attack.
A player of AWB's age has so much room for that to happen too, but like I said we need Ole to actually work on him in the training ground.
posted on 10/6/19
One of the best*
posted on 10/6/19
like i said I have seen many young players have a decent season and get overhyped. jones is one example of the hundred out there.
I personally have not seen enough to suggest that AWB is any better than any other overhyped talent that have come before to justify spending the amount being quoted.
ps I remember having the same conversation with people on here who were convinced renanto was the saviour and we should pay whatever we could to sign him
posted on 10/6/19
comment by Martial FC (U11781)
posted 6 minutes ago
What we need is for these players to be coached properly. Look at what Pep and Klopp have done with their fullbacks, they've coached them to the point that they are one of the in the league both in defence and attack.
A player of AWB's age has so much room for that to happen too, but like I said we need Ole to actually work on him in the training ground.
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Ole is a shiiiiit manager though.
You lot need better.
posted on 10/6/19
Yeah that’s the thing. It’s not often you get young full backs that aren’t without their flaws, it’s usually on both ends, AWB is already a good defender, however.
Right back is a difficult market, there’s not that many around that tick all the boxes. I’d prefer a better attacking right back, but I can see the value in signing AWB as a long term solution to a long term problem.
posted on 10/6/19
comment by julian weigl-the regista we need (U13920)
posted 55 seconds ago
like i said I have seen many young players have a decent season and get overhyped. jones is one example of the hundred out there.
I personally have not seen enough to suggest that AWB is any better than any other overhyped talent that have come before to justify spending the amount being quoted.
ps I remember having the same conversation with people on here who were convinced renanto was the saviour and we should pay whatever we could to sign him
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Young player + big price tag does not automatically = over hyped.
Let's just have a little faith IF this happens.
posted on 10/6/19
comment by Super Ed (U22147)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by julian weigl-the regista we need (U13920)
posted 55 seconds ago
like i said I have seen many young players have a decent season and get overhyped. jones is one example of the hundred out there.
I personally have not seen enough to suggest that AWB is any better than any other overhyped talent that have come before to justify spending the amount being quoted.
ps I remember having the same conversation with people on here who were convinced renanto was the saviour and we should pay whatever we could to sign him
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Young player + big price tag does not automatically = over hyped.
Let's just have a little faith IF this happens.
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you can and you should have faith
but like i have always done I will stay objective and try not to buy into the hype until he is a utd player. If he does become a utd i will pray for his success like I did for jones and shaw.
posted on 11/6/19
You could probably get Doherty for half of that.
posted on 11/6/19
Totally agree...
posted on 11/6/19
https://www.theguardian.com/football/who-scored-blog/2019/jan/10/young-players-ready-championship-premier-league
posted on 11/6/19
Already a really good right back at a great age to improve even further. Would be delighted if we got him. Don’t know the ins and outs of our finances and how much we have to spend, so whatever the price may be as long as we don’t bankrupt ourselves or not leave enough to strengthen other areas then so be it.
posted on 11/6/19
Nelson semedo at Barcelona is available for around 50 million by all accounts and for me would be a better option
posted on 11/6/19
Pay Crystal Palace what they want for him, I can't take another season of Young at right-back to be honest.
posted on 11/6/19
comment by Super Ed (U22147)
posted 8 hours, 57 minutes ago
Crazy how fees are going. People.were up in arms when we paid £27m for Shaw.
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Yeah, we overpaid. Considering pool got Robertson for 8 m who’s miles better
posted on 11/6/19
comment by Ole-Dirty-Baz ta’rd (U19119)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Super Ed (U22147)
posted 8 hours, 57 minutes ago
Crazy how fees are going. People.were up in arms when we paid £27m for Shaw.
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Yeah, we overpaid. Considering pool got Robertson for 8 m who’s miles better
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You wouldn't have said that at the time though would you? Robertson has turned out better.
Shaw has been unlucky with injuries and of course the man utd manager malaise hasn't helped him at all
posted on 11/6/19
comment by Nostraduncus (U11713)
posted 38 minutes ago
Nelson semedo at Barcelona is available for around 50 million by all accounts and for me would be a better option
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Looks a poor defender whenever I’ve seen him.
posted on 11/6/19
comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Ole-Dirty-Baz ta’rd (U19119)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Super Ed (U22147)
posted 8 hours, 57 minutes ago
Crazy how fees are going. People.were up in arms when we paid £27m for Shaw.
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Yeah, we overpaid. Considering pool got Robertson for 8 m who’s miles better
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You wouldn't have said that at the time though would you? Robertson has turned out better.
Shaw has been unlucky with injuries and of course the man utd manager malaise hasn't helped him at all
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Actually, believe it or not i did want to get him at the time. I’d seen him play for hull and was impressed..which I wasn’t when I saw shaw for saints.
posted on 11/6/19
comment by Matth_2015 (U20438)
posted 46 minutes ago
Pay Crystal Palace what they want for him.
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100% agreed
posted on 11/6/19
If we had bought Robertson from Hull for £8m most of our 'fans' would have moaned and cried about it.
We sadly live in an age where most people rate you by your transfer fee.
Liverpool got 4/5 quality signings for what we paid just for Lukaku. I hate them so much but credit where credit is due. After 20 odd years of bad recruitment they have finally sorted it.
posted on 11/6/19
If it means Ashley Young is is moved out the starting 11 then we should pay the £60m
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