Nobody China tbh. He’s worth probably 4/5 positions in the table for me.
Looking forward to next year where he will probably have a worse season than this year but because he will score more people will say he’s had a better one.
Ryan Giggs, considered by many to be the best lw of the pl and put in pl all time teams, (longevity helps obviously) never scored as much as hazard. Never assisted as much. Yet did people say he never pushed himself, never fulfilled his potential.
Barring going past 5 men instead of the regular 4 I’m not sure what hazard could have done better at Chelsea with no help. Even Messi has Xavi, iniesta and now Suarez
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I guess if he REALLY wanted to he could have gone madrid 6 years ago greatteams? Lol
Nick, I wouldn't compare Giggs to Hazard. One was an old school winger and spent the last few years as a CM rather than on the wings. And the game has moved on from using players in such roles, especially at top sides.
I agree. It’s harsh to compare as Giggs was usually in a more attacking side playing at pace. Hazard, as others have mentioned, was Chelsea’s main ball carrier and outlet to get us up the field. Just saying people didn’t want more from other world greats. For some reason it’s used for hazard Asif he and only he can deliver more. He wasn’t playing at city, or Liverpool, or Chelsea 00s. He was playing for a one paced side overly reliant on him over the last 5 years
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posted 14 hours, 3 minutes ago
Do you think Hazard could be better though?
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Like GT said, every play would improve if only they made 1% gains and adjustments in different areas of their game. But to continue achieving that year after year with the freakish, obsessive consistency of Messi or Ronaldo isn't natural and shouldn't be considered the norm.
what's normal is to have dips in form, periods where things just don't seem to be coming off for you, where minor setbacks prevent you from being at peak physical fitness, where self-doubt creeps in ... and those periods can last more than a few weeks or a couple of months.
There've been unquestionably great players who seemed to have 'lost it' for entire seasons.
I honestly don't know what sort of performance levels to expect from Hazard at Madrid. I'm not sure he's at an age where he can improve all that much. What's certain is that for players to succeed here, they need to be extremely resilient mentally. They have to be able to take the harshest criticisms in their stride and use it as a motivator.
Nick, other than Wahl who else has said that? I'm just curious.
Different question here, If Hazard was around in the 90s,where would he have played in a 442?
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posted 1 hour, 27 minutes ago
Nick, other than Wahl who else has said that? I'm just curious.
Different question here, If Hazard was around in the 90s,where would he have played in a 442?
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There was a thread not so long ago, over the last couple weeks. It was mentioned by a few posters saying he was could be even better. That could either apply to all players, or none.
In 4-4-2 probably left mid id guess. I’d like to think under an attacking manager he’d be given a free role of the striker though.
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Dragon Ball was followed by Dragon Ball Z. I think the former is better, but the latter has fights that last 24 episodes each. Then there was GT, which the creator was forced to make as he was, essentially a slave to the contract.
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I'd say Z's better than OG Dragon Ball but they're different kinds of series. It's long though, yeah. GT was definitely the weakest, agreed about that.
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It's why I think Og is better. Z had pretty much the same kind of story repeating itself.
On Hazard, some could say that in the last few years it is Chelsea that has held Hazard back rather than he himself being able to better.
Take him out of the team from the last 5 years and they come across significantly weak (in an attacking sense). Other than Costa, they've not had many game changing players in their side.
Who in the current Chelsea side can step up now that he's gone?
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Z's more about the fights than the story, although it had some really good emotional scenes as well. Dragon Ball had good fights but had more of an adventure element to it. Both classics though.
And the whole Chelsea being a one man team is a myth. You could only really say that for this season and last season arguably. Before that we had Costa, Willian, Pedro and Fabregas all making plenty of contribution to our attacking play. Hazard's numbers didn't improve or get worse significantly when they declined/left.
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posted 10 hours, 31 minutes ago
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posted 18 minutes ago
comment by Wahl (U22164)
posted 17 minutes ago
Do you think Hazard could be better though?
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I think 95% of player could be better if they improved just one aspect of their game.
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No but, do you ever feel like Hazard doesn't push himself as hard as he could? Do you not think he could score more goals if he really wanted do?
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If he really wanted to? Like he doesn't want to score more goals?
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I think in Hazard's mind the 'cost' required to score extra goals (pushing himself harder in games) doesn't outweigh the benefit (obviously scoring more goals). It's not that he's not capable, he just doesn't want to push himself to that point.
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comment by Wahl (U22164)
posted 14 hours, 3 minutes ago
Do you think Hazard could be better though?
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Like GT said, every play would improve if only they made 1% gains and adjustments in different areas of their game. But to continue achieving that year after year with the freakish, obsessive consistency of Messi or Ronaldo isn't natural and shouldn't be considered the norm.
what's normal is to have dips in form, periods where things just don't seem to be coming off for you, where minor setbacks prevent you from being at peak physical fitness, where self-doubt creeps in ... and those periods can last more than a few weeks or a couple of months.
There've been unquestionably great players who seemed to have 'lost it' for entire seasons.
I honestly don't know what sort of performance levels to expect from Hazard at Madrid. I'm not sure he's at an age where he can improve all that much. What's certain is that for players to succeed here, they need to be extremely resilient mentally. They have to be able to take the harshest criticisms in their stride and use it as a motivator.
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Players do have ups and downs that's true, but when a forward like Hazard has only scored more than 20 goals in all competitions once for Chelsea, I think the balance between those up and downs must be wrong.
If Hazard goes to Madrid and scores 30 goals in his first season, I will happily admit I was wrong about him and he was held back by Chelsea. If he goes to Madrid and doesn't really improve his scoring rate, then I think I'm right.
Barring going past 5 men instead of the regular 4 I’m not sure what hazard could have done better at Chelsea with no help.
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Been more consistent. He was excellent from August to October and excellent from probably March onwards but inbetween that he went missing. He doesn't have to be on the top of his game in that period but he could have chipped in with a few more goals. That would have taken his total to closer the 30 mark and I'd have no complaints over him.
Bergkamp and Zola...inconsistent?
Ronaldo at Utd? Inconsistent?
Drogba?
Bergkamp Zola before my time. Ronaldo at United consistent and Drogba had excuses for why he didn't have a great goal record.
Haha I’ve got ya.
Ronaldo who u say is consistent(probably most consistent player I’ve ever seen:
196 pl games - 118 goals and assists.
A goal or assist every 1.66 games.
Hazard
245 games(including injury season)
137 goals and assists.
A goal or assist every 1.78 games
And Ronaldo playing in one of the best teams the pl has seen.
So basically one is consistent and one isn’t to u, despite a difference of just 0.12 games per goal or assist have a good day kid
Ignoring the fact Ronaldo only hit his peak after being at Man utd for 3 years....
You're weighting Ronaldo's seasons as an 18 year old kid that only could fall to the ground the same as his seasons at his prime
Moving the goalposts? Not like you haha.
Excuses for Ronnie.
Excuses for drogba.
Yet hazard can do more. haha
I repeat, you're weighting Ronaldo's seasons as an 18 year old kid the same as prime Hazard's.
Your argument is ridiculous. Ronaldo at his best banged in 42 goals in one season. Hazard's best was half that.
Hazard is a notch down from Ronaldo...and Messi...he might get closer with 3 or 4 seasons at RM...but I don't see him at their level.
Mbappe might be....he's still young and looks the next best
Everyone is a notch down from them tbf sheriff. Mbappe will be too. He might score loads but he’s not a mercurial talent like them. He’s closer to the original Ronaldo
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posted on 13/6/19
Nobody China tbh. He’s worth probably 4/5 positions in the table for me.
Looking forward to next year where he will probably have a worse season than this year but because he will score more people will say he’s had a better one.
Ryan Giggs, considered by many to be the best lw of the pl and put in pl all time teams, (longevity helps obviously) never scored as much as hazard. Never assisted as much. Yet did people say he never pushed himself, never fulfilled his potential.
Barring going past 5 men instead of the regular 4 I’m not sure what hazard could have done better at Chelsea with no help. Even Messi has Xavi, iniesta and now Suarez
posted on 13/6/19
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posted on 13/6/19
I guess if he REALLY wanted to he could have gone madrid 6 years ago greatteams? Lol
posted on 13/6/19
Nick, I wouldn't compare Giggs to Hazard. One was an old school winger and spent the last few years as a CM rather than on the wings. And the game has moved on from using players in such roles, especially at top sides.
posted on 13/6/19
I agree. It’s harsh to compare as Giggs was usually in a more attacking side playing at pace. Hazard, as others have mentioned, was Chelsea’s main ball carrier and outlet to get us up the field. Just saying people didn’t want more from other world greats. For some reason it’s used for hazard Asif he and only he can deliver more. He wasn’t playing at city, or Liverpool, or Chelsea 00s. He was playing for a one paced side overly reliant on him over the last 5 years
posted on 13/6/19
comment by Wahl (U22164)
posted 14 hours, 3 minutes ago
Do you think Hazard could be better though?
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Like GT said, every play would improve if only they made 1% gains and adjustments in different areas of their game. But to continue achieving that year after year with the freakish, obsessive consistency of Messi or Ronaldo isn't natural and shouldn't be considered the norm.
what's normal is to have dips in form, periods where things just don't seem to be coming off for you, where minor setbacks prevent you from being at peak physical fitness, where self-doubt creeps in ... and those periods can last more than a few weeks or a couple of months.
There've been unquestionably great players who seemed to have 'lost it' for entire seasons.
I honestly don't know what sort of performance levels to expect from Hazard at Madrid. I'm not sure he's at an age where he can improve all that much. What's certain is that for players to succeed here, they need to be extremely resilient mentally. They have to be able to take the harshest criticisms in their stride and use it as a motivator.
posted on 13/6/19
Nick, other than Wahl who else has said that? I'm just curious.
Different question here, If Hazard was around in the 90s,where would he have played in a 442?
posted on 13/6/19
comment by CurrentlyInChina (U11181)
posted 1 hour, 27 minutes ago
Nick, other than Wahl who else has said that? I'm just curious.
Different question here, If Hazard was around in the 90s,where would he have played in a 442?
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There was a thread not so long ago, over the last couple weeks. It was mentioned by a few posters saying he was could be even better. That could either apply to all players, or none.
In 4-4-2 probably left mid id guess. I’d like to think under an attacking manager he’d be given a free role of the striker though.
posted on 13/6/19
comment by CurrentlyInChina (U11181)
posted 10 hours, 2 minutes ago
comment by Wahl (U22164)
posted 10 hours, 48 minutes ago
comment by CurrentlyInChina (U11181)
posted 2 minutes ago
Dragon Ball was followed by Dragon Ball Z. I think the former is better, but the latter has fights that last 24 episodes each. Then there was GT, which the creator was forced to make as he was, essentially a slave to the contract.
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I'd say Z's better than OG Dragon Ball but they're different kinds of series. It's long though, yeah. GT was definitely the weakest, agreed about that.
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It's why I think Og is better. Z had pretty much the same kind of story repeating itself.
On Hazard, some could say that in the last few years it is Chelsea that has held Hazard back rather than he himself being able to better.
Take him out of the team from the last 5 years and they come across significantly weak (in an attacking sense). Other than Costa, they've not had many game changing players in their side.
Who in the current Chelsea side can step up now that he's gone?
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Z's more about the fights than the story, although it had some really good emotional scenes as well. Dragon Ball had good fights but had more of an adventure element to it. Both classics though.
And the whole Chelsea being a one man team is a myth. You could only really say that for this season and last season arguably. Before that we had Costa, Willian, Pedro and Fabregas all making plenty of contribution to our attacking play. Hazard's numbers didn't improve or get worse significantly when they declined/left.
posted on 13/6/19
comment by Greatteamswinit4times- a terrible enemy (U6008)
posted 6 hours, 26 minutes ago
comment by Wahl (U22164)
posted 10 hours, 31 minutes ago
comment by Greatteamswinit4times- a terrible enemy (U6008)
posted 18 minutes ago
comment by Wahl (U22164)
posted 17 minutes ago
Do you think Hazard could be better though?
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I think 95% of player could be better if they improved just one aspect of their game.
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No but, do you ever feel like Hazard doesn't push himself as hard as he could? Do you not think he could score more goals if he really wanted do?
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If he really wanted to? Like he doesn't want to score more goals?
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I think in Hazard's mind the 'cost' required to score extra goals (pushing himself harder in games) doesn't outweigh the benefit (obviously scoring more goals). It's not that he's not capable, he just doesn't want to push himself to that point.
posted on 13/6/19
comment by it'sonlyagame (U6426)
posted 3 hours, 20 minutes ago
comment by Wahl (U22164)
posted 14 hours, 3 minutes ago
Do you think Hazard could be better though?
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Like GT said, every play would improve if only they made 1% gains and adjustments in different areas of their game. But to continue achieving that year after year with the freakish, obsessive consistency of Messi or Ronaldo isn't natural and shouldn't be considered the norm.
what's normal is to have dips in form, periods where things just don't seem to be coming off for you, where minor setbacks prevent you from being at peak physical fitness, where self-doubt creeps in ... and those periods can last more than a few weeks or a couple of months.
There've been unquestionably great players who seemed to have 'lost it' for entire seasons.
I honestly don't know what sort of performance levels to expect from Hazard at Madrid. I'm not sure he's at an age where he can improve all that much. What's certain is that for players to succeed here, they need to be extremely resilient mentally. They have to be able to take the harshest criticisms in their stride and use it as a motivator.
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Players do have ups and downs that's true, but when a forward like Hazard has only scored more than 20 goals in all competitions once for Chelsea, I think the balance between those up and downs must be wrong.
If Hazard goes to Madrid and scores 30 goals in his first season, I will happily admit I was wrong about him and he was held back by Chelsea. If he goes to Madrid and doesn't really improve his scoring rate, then I think I'm right.
posted on 13/6/19
Barring going past 5 men instead of the regular 4 I’m not sure what hazard could have done better at Chelsea with no help.
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Been more consistent. He was excellent from August to October and excellent from probably March onwards but inbetween that he went missing. He doesn't have to be on the top of his game in that period but he could have chipped in with a few more goals. That would have taken his total to closer the 30 mark and I'd have no complaints over him.
posted on 13/6/19
Bergkamp and Zola...inconsistent?
posted on 13/6/19
Ronaldo at Utd? Inconsistent?
Drogba?
posted on 13/6/19
Bergkamp Zola before my time. Ronaldo at United consistent and Drogba had excuses for why he didn't have a great goal record.
posted on 13/6/19
Haha I’ve got ya.
Ronaldo who u say is consistent(probably most consistent player I’ve ever seen:
196 pl games - 118 goals and assists.
A goal or assist every 1.66 games.
Hazard
245 games(including injury season)
137 goals and assists.
A goal or assist every 1.78 games
And Ronaldo playing in one of the best teams the pl has seen.
So basically one is consistent and one isn’t to u, despite a difference of just 0.12 games per goal or assist have a good day kid
posted on 13/6/19
Ignoring the fact Ronaldo only hit his peak after being at Man utd for 3 years....
posted on 13/6/19
You're weighting Ronaldo's seasons as an 18 year old kid that only could fall to the ground the same as his seasons at his prime
posted on 13/6/19
Moving the goalposts? Not like you haha.
Excuses for Ronnie.
Excuses for drogba.
Yet hazard can do more. haha
posted on 13/6/19
I repeat, you're weighting Ronaldo's seasons as an 18 year old kid the same as prime Hazard's.
Your argument is ridiculous. Ronaldo at his best banged in 42 goals in one season. Hazard's best was half that.
posted on 13/6/19
posted on 13/6/19
Hazard is a notch down from Ronaldo...and Messi...he might get closer with 3 or 4 seasons at RM...but I don't see him at their level.
Mbappe might be....he's still young and looks the next best
posted on 13/6/19
Everyone is a notch down from them tbf sheriff. Mbappe will be too. He might score loads but he’s not a mercurial talent like them. He’s closer to the original Ronaldo
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