He says he has all this up and coming state of the art equipment but when you turn up for chemo he wheels out dusty old machines from soviet era Russia.
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Young, Matic, Mata......Chernobyl footballers
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posted 28 seconds ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 41 seconds ago
I think I'm right in saying that Chelsea struggled early in 2016/17 and were lower down in the table for the first 5-10 games.
They won it.
Different circumstances of course, but anyone who thinks you can judge a season after seven games is a moron.
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Yep...Conte swapped to a back 3 with wingbacks and we never looked back...had no Europe to worry about that term mind...which helped
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Fair point. Not that I think we'll win it!
But judging this soon is just silly.
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posted 6 seconds ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 2 minutes ago
I think I'm right in saying that Chelsea struggled early in 2016/17 and were lower down in the table for the first 5-10 games.
They won it.
Different circumstances of course, but anyone who thinks you can judge a season after seven games is a moron.
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You can judge what you’re seeing on the pitch
And from the disaster that the end of last season was, it seems we haven’t improved at all
5 wins in our last 20 league games
No signs of any improvement any time soon. If anything with the fixture list we have in the next 30 days it could get very ugly, very fast
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You can have an opinion but the idea you're in a position to know whether Ole is tactically astute is laughable.
Do you even go to games?
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 7 minutes ago
Melton, you knew what I meant!
I think we'd all agree that a £50 million Sterling is probably good enough to develop in your team without going out on loan.
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Absolutely We sent Zinchenko out on loan though. I was more just saying though that the players we were playing at a comparable or younger age than Mctominay (Sterling, Jesus, Sane and Zinchenko) has all had a fair amount of football already, as you say. It’s not that they are young players as such, it’s that they’re further along in their experience.
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 11 seconds ago
comment by Robb : Clayton Blackmore’s tanning shop manager (U21234)
posted 6 seconds ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 2 minutes ago
I think I'm right in saying that Chelsea struggled early in 2016/17 and were lower down in the table for the first 5-10 games.
They won it.
Different circumstances of course, but anyone who thinks you can judge a season after seven games is a moron.
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You can judge what you’re seeing on the pitch
And from the disaster that the end of last season was, it seems we haven’t improved at all
5 wins in our last 20 league games
No signs of any improvement any time soon. If anything with the fixture list we have in the next 30 days it could get very ugly, very fast
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You can have an opinion but the idea you're in a position to know whether Ole is tactically astute is laughable.
Do you even go to games?
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What does having games have to do with anything?
Watch out everyone, Winston just clicked his switch to ‘get personal’
*gets popcorn, gets comfortable in seat and prepares for a long afternoon of one line responses and no real progress about the topic in hand. Also prepares for Liverpool fans to come in and take this debate to the 3/4 day mark.
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 26 seconds ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 7 minutes ago
Melton, you knew what I meant!
I think we'd all agree that a £50 million Sterling is probably good enough to develop in your team without going out on loan.
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AbsolutelyWe sent Zinchenko out on loan though. I was more just saying though that the players we were playing at a comparable or younger age than Mctominay (Sterling, Jesus, Sane and Zinchenko) has all had a fair amount of football already, as you say. It’s not that they are young players as such, it’s that they’re further along in their experience.
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Yes, but that's mainly because you choose to sign those types of players and as yet, don't have much interest in letting youngsters develop from zero first team experience in your team.
Robb : Clayton Blackmore’s tanning shop manager (U21234)
Don't get your knickers in a twist, I'm not getting personal.
If you don't go to games then it is far harder to assess the team's tactics and you haven't even watched every game in full.
That just adds to the idea that you're not really in a position to make that judgement.
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 1 second ago
Robb : Clayton Blackmore’s tanning shop manager (U21234)
Don't get your knickers in a twist, I'm not getting personal.
If you don't go to games then it is far harder to assess the team's tactics and you haven't even watched every game in full.
That just adds to the idea that you're not really in a position to make that judgement.
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It’s clear as day that tactically he’s getting it wrong though. And it’s the same things every week. We all point out out on here but it keeps happening. Whether you watch on TV or sit in the stands, the mistakes happen.
Sarri came in with his style of football last term and was getting utterly slated week in week out for selections and tactics..
I was a huge critic for ages when he flat refused to use CHO when it was blatantly obvious it was what was needed
He came good in the end and used some youth..although sparingly - not only winning Europa but besting Spurs Utd and goonz to third...astoundingly
So I'm open to anything being possible - that said Utd are currently dreadful and those players aren't going to pull that round
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posted 4 minutes ago
People have said before, “I can’t wait for this season to end,” whilst we’ve been under the management of LVG, Mourinho and now Ole.
Why do they think the next season is going to be any different with Woodward at the helm?
People need to get the fack off the managers’ backs and see that they’re trying to operate with their hands tied.
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Poor managers with their hands tied behind their backs. Fack up.
They have all spent huge sums of money just mostly on the wrong players with different styles etc. The lack of cohesion at the club got you here.
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Four different managers with completely different approaches and completely different ideas about what the squad profile should look like.
We’ve got a Frankenstein squad, and that isn’t the manager’s fault, nor was it Mourinho’s or LVG’s.
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Yes agreed but your original point about those managers having their hands tied is nonsense.
It's just been spent horrendously and as you say on a mishmash of styles that doesn't give you the players for a cohesive team.
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You are aware that managers don’t have executive authority over transfers at United, no?
You are aware that managers need more than just cash spent on transfers?
Each one had a completely different vision for the squad (because Ed doesn’t understand that different coaches have different requirements) and has needed time to reshape it. No manager has been given the opportunity to do that yet, and each new manager has started with a squad that doesn’t suit his approach before being denied targets or the opportunity to manage the existing squad.
I disagreed with him completely, but Mourinho wanted rid of Martial. He wasn’t allowed to do that. He wanted another centreback last summer. He wasn’t allowed that.
You can’t just argue that “money was spent”. Of course it was; but if the missus’s car needs a new carburettor and I just put new tyres on it, that’s not really any good to her is it?
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Okay so you willl need to elaborate on how Ole, LVG and Moyes had their hands tied?
Mourinho definitely had his wings clipped going into his last summer but he still had plenty of money to spend and spent it poorly on Pogba and Lukaku.
I disagree that they have all had their hands tied.
comment by Robb : Clayton Blackmore’s tanning shop manager (U21234)
posted 12 seconds ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 1 second ago
Robb : Clayton Blackmore’s tanning shop manager (U21234)
Don't get your knickers in a twist, I'm not getting personal.
If you don't go to games then it is far harder to assess the team's tactics and you haven't even watched every game in full.
That just adds to the idea that you're not really in a position to make that judgement.
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It’s clear as day that tactically he’s getting it wrong though. And it’s the same things every week. We all point out out on here but it keeps happening. Whether you watch on TV or sit in the stands, the mistakes happen.
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Okay, it's obviously a fact because you say so.
Thanks.
Plenty of money spent overall not in that last summer for clarity.
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Robb : Clayton Blackmore’s tanning shop manager (U21234)
posted 6 seconds ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 2 minutes ago
I think I'm right in saying that Chelsea struggled early in 2016/17 and were lower down in the table for the first 5-10 games.
They won it.
Different circumstances of course, but anyone who thinks you can judge a season after seven games is a moron.
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You can judge what you’re seeing on the pitch
And from the disaster that the end of last season was, it seems we haven’t improved at all
5 wins in our last 20 league games
No signs of any improvement any time soon. If anything with the fixture list we have in the next 30 days it could get very ugly, very fast
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You can have an opinion but the idea you're in a position to know whether Ole is tactically astute is laughable.
Do you even go to games?
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Would you say going to games gives the average punter fan an insight into this...as opposed to those that don't attend games...?
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 26 seconds ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 7 minutes ago
Melton, you knew what I meant!
I think we'd all agree that a £50 million Sterling is probably good enough to develop in your team without going out on loan.
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AbsolutelyWe sent Zinchenko out on loan though. I was more just saying though that the players we were playing at a comparable or younger age than Mctominay (Sterling, Jesus, Sane and Zinchenko) has all had a fair amount of football already, as you say. It’s not that they are young players as such, it’s that they’re further along in their experience.
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Yes, but that's mainly because you choose to sign those types of players and as yet, don't have much interest in letting youngsters develop from zero first team experience in your team.
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Yes, which is an easier model to maximise potential of results. I’m agreeing with you.
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 13 seconds ago
comment by Robb : Clayton Blackmore’s tanning shop manager (U21234)
posted 12 seconds ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 1 second ago
Robb : Clayton Blackmore’s tanning shop manager (U21234)
Don't get your knickers in a twist, I'm not getting personal.
If you don't go to games then it is far harder to assess the team's tactics and you haven't even watched every game in full.
That just adds to the idea that you're not really in a position to make that judgement.
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It’s clear as day that tactically he’s getting it wrong though. And it’s the same things every week. We all point out out on here but it keeps happening. Whether you watch on TV or sit in the stands, the mistakes happen.
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Okay, it's obviously a fact because you say so.
Thanks.
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Surely if it’s okay to praise a manager for giving youth a chance and jettisoning some of the deadwood then it’s also okay to criticise him for occasional poor decisions?
Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
100% - I feel it's far easier to understand the overall plan of a team when you're at the game.
I've done both and I don't go to as many games as I used to, and I feel much less inclined to comment on tactics these days.
Pineapple Chunks (U1449)
Of course it's okay to criticise him.
But for someone to come on here and speak of Ole's tactics as if he's some sort of football expert is a bit silly, particularly when tactics are massively affected by the players required to implement them.
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 7 seconds ago
Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
100% - I feel it's far easier to understand the overall plan of a team when you're at the game.
I've done both and I don't go to as many games as I used to, and I feel much less inclined to comment on tactics these days.
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Ok...I don't go to games any more either.... (geography) and a 7 handicap to maintain...but unless you are sat right by the dug out, - I'm struggling to see what you'd glean from high up in the gods in row z to watching on telly given the high class coverage these days.... but that's just me
It's not going to be often I agree with Winston, but I do this time. 100% in fact.
And we have no idea what goes on behind the scenes in player recruitment, what Ole said to Ed and vice versa. What budgetary constraints there were. In terms of signings I back Ole's choices. In terms of tactics it depends on players and form, I would like to see us set up a little more attacking, but that's personal preference.
Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
7? Nice! You aiming to get that down?
I don't agree with that - wherever you're sat, you'll see the whole pitch, the whole time. You'll see the movement of players and it's easier to see what they have been asked to do.
You just can't see that properly on the TV.
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 2 minutes ago
It's not going to be often I agree with Winston, but I do this time. 100% in fact.
And we have no idea what goes on behind the scenes in player recruitment, what Ole said to Ed and vice versa. What budgetary constraints there were. In terms of signings I back Ole's choices. In terms of tactics it depends on players and form, I would like to see us set up a little more attacking, but that's personal preference.
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We probably agree on more than you realise mate.
I like what I see Ole trying to do in terms of clearing out some players and incorporating the youth. That's a plus.
The minus is his midfield setup and the fact we don't have a proper centre forward to make the system work. We don't know exactly who's to blame for not getting in a CF but I can't believe Ole would have been happy going into the season with just Martial, Rashford and Greenwood as options.
Based on who we have now, and if we play with intensity, I think this is our best line up.
DDG
AWB
Maguire
Tuanzebe
Shaw
Matic (I know but I think he'd be OK if told to sit and allow our full backs to get forward. Still need better of course)
McT (B2B)
Pogba (sort of a freeish role from the left)
Rashford (RW)
Martial (Martial at CF as I think James and Rashford will work the wide areas a bit harder)
James (LW)
You can't tell me that this team isn't capable of decent football. It just needs the set up to be right IMO.
Diafol Coch 77 - A Reputable Poster (U2462)
Pretty much agree with all of that!
Bring in a quality central midfielder and the right striker, and I think suddenly that looks a lot better.
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 23 seconds ago
Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
7? Nice! You aiming to get that down?
I don't agree with that - wherever you're sat, you'll see the whole pitch, the whole time. You'll see the movement of players and it's easier to see what they have been asked to do.
You just can't see that properly on the TV.
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Was 5.8 last year...injured a bit this year...
I think though in order to interpret what you're seeing on a whole field you'd need to know what went on in training and what instructions players have had...and whether that player was capable of carrying out those tactical instructions...
Unless you watch training in and are present in the debrief I'd say you couldn't. ..again just me
“Would you want the best cancer doctors in the world helping you out? Or would you be satisfied with this young, unproven guy from Norway?”
You’ve missed the point entirely, Robb. Reread my post.
The point is that the cancer is killing us, and you’re bothered about trying to deal with an unrelated minor ailment.
There is no recovery to health however we deal with the arrhythmia. The cancer will continue to slowly kill us whilst it is ignored.
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posted on 1/10/19
He says he has all this up and coming state of the art equipment but when you turn up for chemo he wheels out dusty old machines from soviet era Russia.
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Young, Matic, Mata......Chernobyl footballers
posted on 1/10/19
comment by Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
posted 28 seconds ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 41 seconds ago
I think I'm right in saying that Chelsea struggled early in 2016/17 and were lower down in the table for the first 5-10 games.
They won it.
Different circumstances of course, but anyone who thinks you can judge a season after seven games is a moron.
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Yep...Conte swapped to a back 3 with wingbacks and we never looked back...had no Europe to worry about that term mind...which helped
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Fair point. Not that I think we'll win it!
But judging this soon is just silly.
posted on 1/10/19
comment by Robb : Clayton Blackmore’s tanning shop manager (U21234)
posted 6 seconds ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 2 minutes ago
I think I'm right in saying that Chelsea struggled early in 2016/17 and were lower down in the table for the first 5-10 games.
They won it.
Different circumstances of course, but anyone who thinks you can judge a season after seven games is a moron.
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You can judge what you’re seeing on the pitch
And from the disaster that the end of last season was, it seems we haven’t improved at all
5 wins in our last 20 league games
No signs of any improvement any time soon. If anything with the fixture list we have in the next 30 days it could get very ugly, very fast
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You can have an opinion but the idea you're in a position to know whether Ole is tactically astute is laughable.
Do you even go to games?
posted on 1/10/19
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 7 minutes ago
Melton, you knew what I meant!
I think we'd all agree that a £50 million Sterling is probably good enough to develop in your team without going out on loan.
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Absolutely We sent Zinchenko out on loan though. I was more just saying though that the players we were playing at a comparable or younger age than Mctominay (Sterling, Jesus, Sane and Zinchenko) has all had a fair amount of football already, as you say. It’s not that they are young players as such, it’s that they’re further along in their experience.
posted on 1/10/19
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 11 seconds ago
comment by Robb : Clayton Blackmore’s tanning shop manager (U21234)
posted 6 seconds ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 2 minutes ago
I think I'm right in saying that Chelsea struggled early in 2016/17 and were lower down in the table for the first 5-10 games.
They won it.
Different circumstances of course, but anyone who thinks you can judge a season after seven games is a moron.
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You can judge what you’re seeing on the pitch
And from the disaster that the end of last season was, it seems we haven’t improved at all
5 wins in our last 20 league games
No signs of any improvement any time soon. If anything with the fixture list we have in the next 30 days it could get very ugly, very fast
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You can have an opinion but the idea you're in a position to know whether Ole is tactically astute is laughable.
Do you even go to games?
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What does having games have to do with anything?
Watch out everyone, Winston just clicked his switch to ‘get personal’
*gets popcorn, gets comfortable in seat and prepares for a long afternoon of one line responses and no real progress about the topic in hand. Also prepares for Liverpool fans to come in and take this debate to the 3/4 day mark.
posted on 1/10/19
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 26 seconds ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 7 minutes ago
Melton, you knew what I meant!
I think we'd all agree that a £50 million Sterling is probably good enough to develop in your team without going out on loan.
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AbsolutelyWe sent Zinchenko out on loan though. I was more just saying though that the players we were playing at a comparable or younger age than Mctominay (Sterling, Jesus, Sane and Zinchenko) has all had a fair amount of football already, as you say. It’s not that they are young players as such, it’s that they’re further along in their experience.
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Yes, but that's mainly because you choose to sign those types of players and as yet, don't have much interest in letting youngsters develop from zero first team experience in your team.
posted on 1/10/19
Robb : Clayton Blackmore’s tanning shop manager (U21234)
Don't get your knickers in a twist, I'm not getting personal.
If you don't go to games then it is far harder to assess the team's tactics and you haven't even watched every game in full.
That just adds to the idea that you're not really in a position to make that judgement.
posted on 1/10/19
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 1 second ago
Robb : Clayton Blackmore’s tanning shop manager (U21234)
Don't get your knickers in a twist, I'm not getting personal.
If you don't go to games then it is far harder to assess the team's tactics and you haven't even watched every game in full.
That just adds to the idea that you're not really in a position to make that judgement.
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It’s clear as day that tactically he’s getting it wrong though. And it’s the same things every week. We all point out out on here but it keeps happening. Whether you watch on TV or sit in the stands, the mistakes happen.
posted on 1/10/19
Sarri came in with his style of football last term and was getting utterly slated week in week out for selections and tactics..
I was a huge critic for ages when he flat refused to use CHO when it was blatantly obvious it was what was needed
He came good in the end and used some youth..although sparingly - not only winning Europa but besting Spurs Utd and goonz to third...astoundingly
So I'm open to anything being possible - that said Utd are currently dreadful and those players aren't going to pull that round
posted on 1/10/19
comment by rosso is facking happy (U17054)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by HB Fash (U21935)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by rosso is facking happy(U17054)
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posted 9 minutes ago
comment by rosso is facking happy(U17054)
posted 4 minutes ago
People have said before, “I can’t wait for this season to end,” whilst we’ve been under the management of LVG, Mourinho and now Ole.
Why do they think the next season is going to be any different with Woodward at the helm?
People need to get the fack off the managers’ backs and see that they’re trying to operate with their hands tied.
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Poor managers with their hands tied behind their backs. Fack up.
They have all spent huge sums of money just mostly on the wrong players with different styles etc. The lack of cohesion at the club got you here.
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Four different managers with completely different approaches and completely different ideas about what the squad profile should look like.
We’ve got a Frankenstein squad, and that isn’t the manager’s fault, nor was it Mourinho’s or LVG’s.
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Yes agreed but your original point about those managers having their hands tied is nonsense.
It's just been spent horrendously and as you say on a mishmash of styles that doesn't give you the players for a cohesive team.
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You are aware that managers don’t have executive authority over transfers at United, no?
You are aware that managers need more than just cash spent on transfers?
Each one had a completely different vision for the squad (because Ed doesn’t understand that different coaches have different requirements) and has needed time to reshape it. No manager has been given the opportunity to do that yet, and each new manager has started with a squad that doesn’t suit his approach before being denied targets or the opportunity to manage the existing squad.
I disagreed with him completely, but Mourinho wanted rid of Martial. He wasn’t allowed to do that. He wanted another centreback last summer. He wasn’t allowed that.
You can’t just argue that “money was spent”. Of course it was; but if the missus’s car needs a new carburettor and I just put new tyres on it, that’s not really any good to her is it?
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Okay so you willl need to elaborate on how Ole, LVG and Moyes had their hands tied?
Mourinho definitely had his wings clipped going into his last summer but he still had plenty of money to spend and spent it poorly on Pogba and Lukaku.
I disagree that they have all had their hands tied.
posted on 1/10/19
comment by Robb : Clayton Blackmore’s tanning shop manager (U21234)
posted 12 seconds ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 1 second ago
Robb : Clayton Blackmore’s tanning shop manager (U21234)
Don't get your knickers in a twist, I'm not getting personal.
If you don't go to games then it is far harder to assess the team's tactics and you haven't even watched every game in full.
That just adds to the idea that you're not really in a position to make that judgement.
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It’s clear as day that tactically he’s getting it wrong though. And it’s the same things every week. We all point out out on here but it keeps happening. Whether you watch on TV or sit in the stands, the mistakes happen.
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Okay, it's obviously a fact because you say so.
Thanks.
posted on 1/10/19
Plenty of money spent overall not in that last summer for clarity.
posted on 1/10/19
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Robb : Clayton Blackmore’s tanning shop manager (U21234)
posted 6 seconds ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 2 minutes ago
I think I'm right in saying that Chelsea struggled early in 2016/17 and were lower down in the table for the first 5-10 games.
They won it.
Different circumstances of course, but anyone who thinks you can judge a season after seven games is a moron.
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You can judge what you’re seeing on the pitch
And from the disaster that the end of last season was, it seems we haven’t improved at all
5 wins in our last 20 league games
No signs of any improvement any time soon. If anything with the fixture list we have in the next 30 days it could get very ugly, very fast
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You can have an opinion but the idea you're in a position to know whether Ole is tactically astute is laughable.
Do you even go to games?
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Would you say going to games gives the average punter fan an insight into this...as opposed to those that don't attend games...?
posted on 1/10/19
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 26 seconds ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 7 minutes ago
Melton, you knew what I meant!
I think we'd all agree that a £50 million Sterling is probably good enough to develop in your team without going out on loan.
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AbsolutelyWe sent Zinchenko out on loan though. I was more just saying though that the players we were playing at a comparable or younger age than Mctominay (Sterling, Jesus, Sane and Zinchenko) has all had a fair amount of football already, as you say. It’s not that they are young players as such, it’s that they’re further along in their experience.
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Yes, but that's mainly because you choose to sign those types of players and as yet, don't have much interest in letting youngsters develop from zero first team experience in your team.
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Yes, which is an easier model to maximise potential of results. I’m agreeing with you.
posted on 1/10/19
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 13 seconds ago
comment by Robb : Clayton Blackmore’s tanning shop manager (U21234)
posted 12 seconds ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 1 second ago
Robb : Clayton Blackmore’s tanning shop manager (U21234)
Don't get your knickers in a twist, I'm not getting personal.
If you don't go to games then it is far harder to assess the team's tactics and you haven't even watched every game in full.
That just adds to the idea that you're not really in a position to make that judgement.
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It’s clear as day that tactically he’s getting it wrong though. And it’s the same things every week. We all point out out on here but it keeps happening. Whether you watch on TV or sit in the stands, the mistakes happen.
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Okay, it's obviously a fact because you say so.
Thanks.
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Surely if it’s okay to praise a manager for giving youth a chance and jettisoning some of the deadwood then it’s also okay to criticise him for occasional poor decisions?
posted on 1/10/19
Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
100% - I feel it's far easier to understand the overall plan of a team when you're at the game.
I've done both and I don't go to as many games as I used to, and I feel much less inclined to comment on tactics these days.
posted on 1/10/19
Pineapple Chunks (U1449)
Of course it's okay to criticise him.
But for someone to come on here and speak of Ole's tactics as if he's some sort of football expert is a bit silly, particularly when tactics are massively affected by the players required to implement them.
posted on 1/10/19
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 7 seconds ago
Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
100% - I feel it's far easier to understand the overall plan of a team when you're at the game.
I've done both and I don't go to as many games as I used to, and I feel much less inclined to comment on tactics these days.
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Ok...I don't go to games any more either.... (geography) and a 7 handicap to maintain...but unless you are sat right by the dug out, - I'm struggling to see what you'd glean from high up in the gods in row z to watching on telly given the high class coverage these days.... but that's just me
posted on 1/10/19
It's not going to be often I agree with Winston, but I do this time. 100% in fact.
And we have no idea what goes on behind the scenes in player recruitment, what Ole said to Ed and vice versa. What budgetary constraints there were. In terms of signings I back Ole's choices. In terms of tactics it depends on players and form, I would like to see us set up a little more attacking, but that's personal preference.
posted on 1/10/19
Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
7? Nice! You aiming to get that down?
I don't agree with that - wherever you're sat, you'll see the whole pitch, the whole time. You'll see the movement of players and it's easier to see what they have been asked to do.
You just can't see that properly on the TV.
posted on 1/10/19
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 2 minutes ago
It's not going to be often I agree with Winston, but I do this time. 100% in fact.
And we have no idea what goes on behind the scenes in player recruitment, what Ole said to Ed and vice versa. What budgetary constraints there were. In terms of signings I back Ole's choices. In terms of tactics it depends on players and form, I would like to see us set up a little more attacking, but that's personal preference.
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We probably agree on more than you realise mate.
posted on 1/10/19
I like what I see Ole trying to do in terms of clearing out some players and incorporating the youth. That's a plus.
The minus is his midfield setup and the fact we don't have a proper centre forward to make the system work. We don't know exactly who's to blame for not getting in a CF but I can't believe Ole would have been happy going into the season with just Martial, Rashford and Greenwood as options.
Based on who we have now, and if we play with intensity, I think this is our best line up.
DDG
AWB
Maguire
Tuanzebe
Shaw
Matic (I know but I think he'd be OK if told to sit and allow our full backs to get forward. Still need better of course)
McT (B2B)
Pogba (sort of a freeish role from the left)
Rashford (RW)
Martial (Martial at CF as I think James and Rashford will work the wide areas a bit harder)
James (LW)
You can't tell me that this team isn't capable of decent football. It just needs the set up to be right IMO.
posted on 1/10/19
Diafol Coch 77 - A Reputable Poster (U2462)
Pretty much agree with all of that!
Bring in a quality central midfielder and the right striker, and I think suddenly that looks a lot better.
posted on 1/10/19
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 23 seconds ago
Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
7? Nice! You aiming to get that down?
I don't agree with that - wherever you're sat, you'll see the whole pitch, the whole time. You'll see the movement of players and it's easier to see what they have been asked to do.
You just can't see that properly on the TV.
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Was 5.8 last year...injured a bit this year...
I think though in order to interpret what you're seeing on a whole field you'd need to know what went on in training and what instructions players have had...and whether that player was capable of carrying out those tactical instructions...
Unless you watch training in and are present in the debrief I'd say you couldn't. ..again just me
posted on 1/10/19
“Would you want the best cancer doctors in the world helping you out? Or would you be satisfied with this young, unproven guy from Norway?”
You’ve missed the point entirely, Robb. Reread my post.
The point is that the cancer is killing us, and you’re bothered about trying to deal with an unrelated minor ailment.
There is no recovery to health however we deal with the arrhythmia. The cancer will continue to slowly kill us whilst it is ignored.
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