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Surely it would be Brescia who are the feeder club?
No, wanting a nineteen year old hot prospect is not the last thing we need.
Unproven in what way exactly? He has a cap.
If you mean in the PL that means we can only sign players from the PL;
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i mean in football in general. one cap is hardly proven, i am sure fred had a bunch of brazil caps before he came.
what will happen is we sign this kid, put in all the effort to make him good and once he is 23, when it's time to pick the fruits of our labour, he will want to leave for real madrid, barcelona or psg who don't bother with youngsters and just buy the best players other teams have nurturted.
this is exactly what happened at arsenal with wenger for ten years. they became city's feeder club.
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So what's your conclusion... Don't sign talented young players?
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never say never, but in general the logical thing to do would be to get the best 24 to 25 year olds from around europe and then to keep them for five years until they hit their peak.
the stupidest and riskiest thing you can do is to only sign 19 year olds and to expect that
a) they will turn out to be really good,(they usually don't)
b) they will all want to stay together for years
sadly that is exactly what we are doing.
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No it isn't. We have always signed players from different age brackets. That hasn't changed since SAF retired.
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I am clearly talking about the message from inside the club is we are trying to get young players that we can "mould". i am obviously not talking about what mourinho did.
It is also not true that we have always signed players from all age brackets, there was an explicit policy in place not to sign anyone over 27 for years. That policy laid the seeds for our downfall and was only broken when RVP was signed after City had overtaken us.
this season we have seen chong(19), greenwood (17), garner (18) and williams (18) all play games in the first team. none of them have earned the right to be anywhere near it. i would not be surprised if none of them are still at the club in five years.
At the moment we have so Pereira, McTominay and Rashford and Martial playing as senior players.
What I am saying is, at this moment in time, the last thing our squad needs is more gambles on young players.
The profile of the player we should be going for at this time is Ibrahimovic: Short term, proven quality, who can get us back to where we belong as quickly as possible.
Based on everything you hear, we seem to be going for the exact opposite.
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Fair point but not Ibrahimovic. He would not help get us back where we want to be at all.
“this season we have seen chong(19), greenwood (17), garner (18) and williams (18) all play games in the first team. none of them have earned the right to be anywhere near it.“
FML
This is why I filtered the plank. Has never watched them play at U23 or U18 level, and has absolutely no idea about the history and traditions of the club, but yeah, none of them have “earned the right to be anywhere near” the first team.
Hippo clearly wouldn’t even be a United fan of it hadn’t been for the Class of ‘92.
We should sign players who don't want to be here and only put in performances for their first few appearances and then end up being useless such as Di Maria was for us. He was a successful signing. Failing that, resign a 38 year striker.
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So successful he was that we made a 15m loss on him. He was supposed to be taking us up a notch. End up being more useless than Lingard in the end.
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And he ended up being more useless than him in the end. Di Maria was meant to come in and improve the team. He did it for a few weeks and then ended up being a liability. It's the type of signing we should avoid. A player who doesn't want to come, doesn't want to be here when he does and all because the team he left forced him out.
We need players who have his ability and better, or with potential to be, but want to come and play for us and aren't weak mentally.
Di Maria wasn't a successful signing. He was a flop. You are comparing someone who was meant to be a world class player to someone who's at best a squad player and would have been had we sorted the right side earlier. Do you understand how ridiculous it is?
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Hippo in talking ballacks shocker.
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He's gone rather quiet all of a sudden, hasn't he?
Reminds me of a recent [sh]article from Dunc where he derided posters for demanding Chong start games after another poor performance. Several posters asked who had been suggesting Chong should be in the team. He never replied.
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what article was that? all summer people were going on about how excited they were for greenwood and chong to be given games.
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There's a difference between being excited to see young players get minutes versus clamouring for them to be in the first team. Dunc had a howler and it's taken this long to reply!
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So successful he was that we made a 15m loss on him.
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We signed him on a four year deal at £15 million per season and we had him for one season and sold him for £45 million (his value over the remaining three seasons).
So if you look at it like that, we didn't really make a loss on him.
He was. Your stats don't tell the full picture. Much like Hafi's xG stat. If he was so useful, he wouldn't have been sold at a loss.
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There's a difference between being excited to see young players get minutes versus clamouring for them to be in the first team.
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"I'm excited for Chong to be in the first team but I don't want him to play in the first team"
wtf are you saying.
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What he said and what you understood are two different things.
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Hippo's shamelessness is quite impressive. Back at the end of the Fergie era he was furiously arguing against investing in youth, vehemently opposed to structuring the club's decision making around long-term strategy and the kind of continuity that sustained our success under Fergie. He insisted that the only way forward was to embrace the modern approach of paying huge sums if money for players with a proven reputation.
Fast forward 6 years. We have declined to appoint a director of football to set long term sporting and recruitment strategy. We have spent huge sums of money on players who, according to the market, are perceived to be proven performers. We have pretty much followed Hippo's prescrption. We keep getting worse.
And Hippo proceeds as if the last 6 years have demonstrated how right he was.
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There's a difference between being excited to see young players get minutes versus clamouring for them to be in the first team.
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"I'm excited for Chong to be in the first team but I don't want him to play in the first team"
wtf are you saying.
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What he said and what you understood are two different things.
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dunc said people were wrong to be "bleating on about chong" and he was right.
nobody ever said anything about "clamoring" or "being excited".
in any case, the only correct attitude to take was "chong should never play for the first team" and anyone who disagrees with this is a fool.
Here is an article where Berbaking was bleating about how it would be nice to see Chong in the first team by the way https://www.ja606.co.uk/articles/viewArticle/407974
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You're a wum. Can't believe I fell for it. "Would have been nice to see Chong." is the only sentence mentioned about him.
Again, you don't understand what's written.
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An Italian midfielder with wavy hair... Must be the next pirlo
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comment by manusince52 (U9692)
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Surely it would be Brescia who are the feeder club?
No, wanting a nineteen year old hot prospect is not the last thing we need.
Unproven in what way exactly? He has a cap.
If you mean in the PL that means we can only sign players from the PL;
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i mean in football in general. one cap is hardly proven, i am sure fred had a bunch of brazil caps before he came.
what will happen is we sign this kid, put in all the effort to make him good and once he is 23, when it's time to pick the fruits of our labour, he will want to leave for real madrid, barcelona or psg who don't bother with youngsters and just buy the best players other teams have nurturted.
this is exactly what happened at arsenal with wenger for ten years. they became city's feeder club.
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So what's your conclusion... Don't sign talented young players?
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never say never, but in general the logical thing to do would be to get the best 24 to 25 year olds from around europe and then to keep them for five years until they hit their peak.
the stupidest and riskiest thing you can do is to only sign 19 year olds and to expect that
a) they will turn out to be really good,(they usually don't)
b) they will all want to stay together for years
sadly that is exactly what we are doing.
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No it isn't. We have always signed players from different age brackets. That hasn't changed since SAF retired.
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I am clearly talking about the message from inside the club is we are trying to get young players that we can "mould". i am obviously not talking about what mourinho did.
It is also not true that we have always signed players from all age brackets, there was an explicit policy in place not to sign anyone over 27 for years. That policy laid the seeds for our downfall and was only broken when RVP was signed after City had overtaken us.
this season we have seen chong(19), greenwood (17), garner (18) and williams (18) all play games in the first team. none of them have earned the right to be anywhere near it. i would not be surprised if none of them are still at the club in five years.
At the moment we have so Pereira, McTominay and Rashford and Martial playing as senior players.
What I am saying is, at this moment in time, the last thing our squad needs is more gambles on young players.
The profile of the player we should be going for at this time is Ibrahimovic: Short term, proven quality, who can get us back to where we belong as quickly as possible.
Based on everything you hear, we seem to be going for the exact opposite.
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Fair point but not Ibrahimovic. He would not help get us back where we want to be at all.
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“this season we have seen chong(19), greenwood (17), garner (18) and williams (18) all play games in the first team. none of them have earned the right to be anywhere near it.“
FML
This is why I filtered the plank. Has never watched them play at U23 or U18 level, and has absolutely no idea about the history and traditions of the club, but yeah, none of them have “earned the right to be anywhere near” the first team.
Hippo clearly wouldn’t even be a United fan of it hadn’t been for the Class of ‘92.
posted on 30/10/19
We should sign players who don't want to be here and only put in performances for their first few appearances and then end up being useless such as Di Maria was for us. He was a successful signing. Failing that, resign a 38 year striker.
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So successful he was that we made a 15m loss on him. He was supposed to be taking us up a notch. End up being more useless than Lingard in the end.
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And he ended up being more useless than him in the end. Di Maria was meant to come in and improve the team. He did it for a few weeks and then ended up being a liability. It's the type of signing we should avoid. A player who doesn't want to come, doesn't want to be here when he does and all because the team he left forced him out.
We need players who have his ability and better, or with potential to be, but want to come and play for us and aren't weak mentally.
Di Maria wasn't a successful signing. He was a flop. You are comparing someone who was meant to be a world class player to someone who's at best a squad player and would have been had we sorted the right side earlier. Do you understand how ridiculous it is?
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Hippo in talking ballacks shocker.
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He's gone rather quiet all of a sudden, hasn't he?
Reminds me of a recent [sh]article from Dunc where he derided posters for demanding Chong start games after another poor performance. Several posters asked who had been suggesting Chong should be in the team. He never replied.
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what article was that? all summer people were going on about how excited they were for greenwood and chong to be given games.
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There's a difference between being excited to see young players get minutes versus clamouring for them to be in the first team. Dunc had a howler and it's taken this long to reply!
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So successful he was that we made a 15m loss on him.
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We signed him on a four year deal at £15 million per season and we had him for one season and sold him for £45 million (his value over the remaining three seasons).
So if you look at it like that, we didn't really make a loss on him.
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Di Maria’s ‘assists’.
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He was. Your stats don't tell the full picture. Much like Hafi's xG stat. If he was so useful, he wouldn't have been sold at a loss.
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comment by Hippo - Mr Right! (U1301)
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There's a difference between being excited to see young players get minutes versus clamouring for them to be in the first team.
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"I'm excited for Chong to be in the first team but I don't want him to play in the first team"
wtf are you saying.
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What he said and what you understood are two different things.
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Di Maria was a disaster.
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Hippo's shamelessness is quite impressive. Back at the end of the Fergie era he was furiously arguing against investing in youth, vehemently opposed to structuring the club's decision making around long-term strategy and the kind of continuity that sustained our success under Fergie. He insisted that the only way forward was to embrace the modern approach of paying huge sums if money for players with a proven reputation.
Fast forward 6 years. We have declined to appoint a director of football to set long term sporting and recruitment strategy. We have spent huge sums of money on players who, according to the market, are perceived to be proven performers. We have pretty much followed Hippo's prescrption. We keep getting worse.
And Hippo proceeds as if the last 6 years have demonstrated how right he was.
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comment by Hippo - Mr Right! (U1301)
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There's a difference between being excited to see young players get minutes versus clamouring for them to be in the first team.
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"I'm excited for Chong to be in the first team but I don't want him to play in the first team"
wtf are you saying.
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What he said and what you understood are two different things.
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dunc said people were wrong to be "bleating on about chong" and he was right.
nobody ever said anything about "clamoring" or "being excited".
in any case, the only correct attitude to take was "chong should never play for the first team" and anyone who disagrees with this is a fool.
Here is an article where Berbaking was bleating about how it would be nice to see Chong in the first team by the way https://www.ja606.co.uk/articles/viewArticle/407974
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You're a wum. Can't believe I fell for it. "Would have been nice to see Chong." is the only sentence mentioned about him.
Again, you don't understand what's written.
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