How anybody on here can seriously compare the records of pre United Fergusson or pre Liverpool Klopp and their early tenure at the respective following clubs to Ole is mind blowing as both had achieved incredible success against the odds and were already driven motivators with vision and had demonstrated it.
Ole bless him is and never will be a patch on these guys and it is total delusion to think he ever will be and if after that abject uncoached tactical rubbish against Burnley we do go out to Tranmere tomorrow he should be gone.
comment by United we win (U19958)
posted 14 minutes ago
This is desperate 😂😂😂 ole isn’t Ferguson and you can tell that when he opens his mouth
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Who's saying he is?
The article asks if you'd have sacked Ferguson in 89/90
I don't think Ole is another Ferguson.
Nevertheless, just in terms of arguments alone, those people saying Fergie's feats at St Mirren and Aberdeen would have reassured them through his bad early years at Utd are ignoring Ole's feats at Molde.
Molde hadn't won the league before Ole took over.
The difference, I suppose, is that Fergie led Aberdeen to European success.
The expectations weren’t even that high at the time. Some fans are so blinkered by this romance of having an ex legend in charge to change things around, they don’t even see incompetence. It’s not like Ole has bad 3 months, it’s been well over a year now and we’re going backwards. Might as well hire Phil Neville, he’s got experience coaching the women’s team if it’s that easy, all you need is an ex player who loves the club in charge and time according to some fans.
I honestly don't know if Ole's any good, or if he's way out if his depth, and I don't know if the state of us would make any manager look bad (Poch included).
Guess we'll keep sacking them till one if them sticks.
The one who should be sacked, Woodward, has a job for life. We're not improving till he's not working on the football side.
Guess we'll keep sacking them till one if them sticks.
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This is how football works.
At some point you have to use logic rather than keep someone on when everything inside screams ‘he’s not good enough’
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Translation: at some point you have to use Robb's logic, which seems to rely on listening to the screaming voices of gut feeling. You're on better gtound when you acknowledge this is an informed but subjective viewpoint, Robb, than claiming that 'logic' is on your side.
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 8 seconds ago
At some point you have to use logic rather than keep someone on when everything inside screams ‘he’s not good enough’
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Translation: at some point you have to use Robb's logic, which seems to rely on listening to the screaming voices of gut feeling. You're on better gtound when you acknowledge this is an informed but subjective viewpoint, Robb, than claiming that 'logic' is on your side.
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There’s nothing illogical about thinking Ole isn’t good enough. It’s many people’s logic too, not just mine. It was illogical to hire him in the first place. I do thank you for your attempts to police the United board and have everybody use the same approved language that would becalm you ✌️
I definitely wanted him gone. After Atkinson we seemed just as far as ever from the title, the football was worse, and Atkinson s teams were attacking, had a bit glamour. Alex and the team seemed dull.
Shows what I know.
Guess we'll keep sacking them till one if them sticks.
..............
Well when you hire 3 different managers with 3 completely different philosophies, who want their own type of players to play their brand of football. It’s pretty hard to do well. Board are responsible for that. LVG to Mourinho was a bad move. Thats like chalk and cheese.
comment by Firkin (U19526)
posted 1 hour, 12 minutes ago
I don't think Ole is another Ferguson.
Nevertheless, just in terms of arguments alone, those people saying Fergie's feats at St Mirren and Aberdeen would have reassured them through his bad early years at Utd are ignoring Ole's feats at Molde.
Molde hadn't won the league before Ole took over.
The difference, I suppose, is that Fergie led Aberdeen to European success.
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And Fergie didn't get another team relegated in between jobs.
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 14 seconds ago
I definitely wanted him gone. After Atkinson we seemed just as far as ever from the title, the football was worse, and Atkinson s teams were attacking, had a bit glamour. Alex and the team seemed dull.
Shows what I know.
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But I don’t think you were necessarily wrong to want him gone.
The vast majority of the time you’d be right in making the judgment you had. SAF was the exception and of course he went on to be the best ever. But you have to have faith in your judgment in those types of situations as you would almost always be right.
Regardless of whether the manager is good enough or not, the arguments for or against should be made on the merits of the work being done currently, or in previous jobs, not on the merits of different situations of some of the greatest managers in the world, and of all time.
If you don't know the past, you are doomed to keep making the same mistakes.
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 2 minutes ago
If you don't know the past, you are doomed to keep making the same mistakes.
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😂 That’s such a vague and nothing statement though. You could just as easily point to clubs who made a mistake of not sacking their manager as a testament to following the past as a guide
It might be vague and irrelevant, but it reads well.
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 17 seconds ago
It might be vague and irrelevant, but it reads well.
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Fair enough, 😂
Hope you’re doing well mate 👍
Let's be fair, none of the last four appointments that the club have made have been right, and the recruitments been even worse.
Whoever the next flavour of the month is probably needs a new team that can implement his ideas, and we know that's not going to happen.
Then it'll be all 'here we go again'. Looking forward to it already.
comment by Robb Fernandes (U22311)
posted 50 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 8 seconds ago
At some point you have to use logic rather than keep someone on when everything inside screams ‘he’s not good enough’
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Translation: at some point you have to use Robb's logic, which seems to rely on listening to the screaming voices of gut feeling. You're on better gtound when you acknowledge this is an informed but subjective viewpoint, Robb, than claiming that 'logic' is on your side.
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There’s nothing illogical about thinking Ole isn’t good enough. It’s many people’s logic too, not just mine. It was illogical to hire him in the first place. I do thank you for your attempts to police the United board and have everybody use the same approved language that would becalm you ✌️
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Point out contradictions in someone's post and I'm 'policing your language'? Don't be a tw@ Robb.
No one is saying that thinking Ole should go is illogical. I just found it ironic that you suggested that, to quote, "listening to the voice screaming inside you" = applying logic.
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Robb Fernandes (U22311)
posted 50 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 8 seconds ago
At some point you have to use logic rather than keep someone on when everything inside screams ‘he’s not good enough’
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Translation: at some point you have to use Robb's logic, which seems to rely on listening to the screaming voices of gut feeling. You're on better gtound when you acknowledge this is an informed but subjective viewpoint, Robb, than claiming that 'logic' is on your side.
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There’s nothing illogical about thinking Ole isn’t good enough. It’s many people’s logic too, not just mine. It was illogical to hire him in the first place. I do thank you for your attempts to police the United board and have everybody use the same approved language that would becalm you ✌️
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Point out contradictions in someone's post and I'm 'policing your language'? Don't be a tw@ Robb.
No one is saying that thinking Ole should go is illogical. I just found it ironic that you suggested that, to quote, "listening to the voice screaming inside you" = applying logic.
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Well, I think the very definition of policing someone’s language is pointing out someone’s contradictions 😂
What if the voice screaming inside of you is screaming ‘this is illogical’?
C’mon Russian, take off the sheriffs badge and enjoy everyone’s foibles and the way they type words. We don’t all have degrees from the Moscow school of perceived contractions 😉
This isn't a Russian thing, Robb. Come out with nonsense like that in the Lyceum and Aristotle would have had you flogged.
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 4 minutes ago
This isn't a Russian thing, Robb. Come out with nonsense like that in the Lyceum and Aristotle would have had you flogged.
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Aristotle wasn’t good enough
comment by Robb Fernandes (U22311)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 4 minutes ago
This isn't a Russian thing, Robb. Come out with nonsense like that in the Lyceum and Aristotle would have had you flogged.
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Aristotle wasn’t good enough
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You'd have sacked him and got Pochitotle in.
Ole is less qualified than Moyes.
He's infinitely more likely to be Moyes than Fergie.
comment by The Post Nearly Man. Who put the ball in the Germans' net? (U1270)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Robb Fernandes (U22311)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 4 minutes ago
This isn't a Russian thing, Robb. Come out with nonsense like that in the Lyceum and Aristotle would have had you flogged.
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Aristotle wasn’t good enough
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You'd have sacked him and got Pochitotle in.
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posted on 25/1/20
How anybody on here can seriously compare the records of pre United Fergusson or pre Liverpool Klopp and their early tenure at the respective following clubs to Ole is mind blowing as both had achieved incredible success against the odds and were already driven motivators with vision and had demonstrated it.
Ole bless him is and never will be a patch on these guys and it is total delusion to think he ever will be and if after that abject uncoached tactical rubbish against Burnley we do go out to Tranmere tomorrow he should be gone.
posted on 25/1/20
comment by United we win (U19958)
posted 14 minutes ago
This is desperate 😂😂😂 ole isn’t Ferguson and you can tell that when he opens his mouth
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Who's saying he is?
The article asks if you'd have sacked Ferguson in 89/90
posted on 25/1/20
I don't think Ole is another Ferguson.
Nevertheless, just in terms of arguments alone, those people saying Fergie's feats at St Mirren and Aberdeen would have reassured them through his bad early years at Utd are ignoring Ole's feats at Molde.
Molde hadn't won the league before Ole took over.
The difference, I suppose, is that Fergie led Aberdeen to European success.
posted on 25/1/20
The expectations weren’t even that high at the time. Some fans are so blinkered by this romance of having an ex legend in charge to change things around, they don’t even see incompetence. It’s not like Ole has bad 3 months, it’s been well over a year now and we’re going backwards. Might as well hire Phil Neville, he’s got experience coaching the women’s team if it’s that easy, all you need is an ex player who loves the club in charge and time according to some fans.
posted on 25/1/20
I honestly don't know if Ole's any good, or if he's way out if his depth, and I don't know if the state of us would make any manager look bad (Poch included).
Guess we'll keep sacking them till one if them sticks.
The one who should be sacked, Woodward, has a job for life. We're not improving till he's not working on the football side.
posted on 25/1/20
Guess we'll keep sacking them till one if them sticks.
———
This is how football works.
posted on 25/1/20
At some point you have to use logic rather than keep someone on when everything inside screams ‘he’s not good enough’
-------------------------------------------------------
Translation: at some point you have to use Robb's logic, which seems to rely on listening to the screaming voices of gut feeling. You're on better gtound when you acknowledge this is an informed but subjective viewpoint, Robb, than claiming that 'logic' is on your side.
posted on 25/1/20
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 8 seconds ago
At some point you have to use logic rather than keep someone on when everything inside screams ‘he’s not good enough’
-------------------------------------------------------
Translation: at some point you have to use Robb's logic, which seems to rely on listening to the screaming voices of gut feeling. You're on better gtound when you acknowledge this is an informed but subjective viewpoint, Robb, than claiming that 'logic' is on your side.
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There’s nothing illogical about thinking Ole isn’t good enough. It’s many people’s logic too, not just mine. It was illogical to hire him in the first place. I do thank you for your attempts to police the United board and have everybody use the same approved language that would becalm you ✌️
posted on 25/1/20
I definitely wanted him gone. After Atkinson we seemed just as far as ever from the title, the football was worse, and Atkinson s teams were attacking, had a bit glamour. Alex and the team seemed dull.
Shows what I know.
posted on 25/1/20
Guess we'll keep sacking them till one if them sticks.
..............
Well when you hire 3 different managers with 3 completely different philosophies, who want their own type of players to play their brand of football. It’s pretty hard to do well. Board are responsible for that. LVG to Mourinho was a bad move. Thats like chalk and cheese.
posted on 25/1/20
comment by Firkin (U19526)
posted 1 hour, 12 minutes ago
I don't think Ole is another Ferguson.
Nevertheless, just in terms of arguments alone, those people saying Fergie's feats at St Mirren and Aberdeen would have reassured them through his bad early years at Utd are ignoring Ole's feats at Molde.
Molde hadn't won the league before Ole took over.
The difference, I suppose, is that Fergie led Aberdeen to European success.
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And Fergie didn't get another team relegated in between jobs.
posted on 25/1/20
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 14 seconds ago
I definitely wanted him gone. After Atkinson we seemed just as far as ever from the title, the football was worse, and Atkinson s teams were attacking, had a bit glamour. Alex and the team seemed dull.
Shows what I know.
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But I don’t think you were necessarily wrong to want him gone.
The vast majority of the time you’d be right in making the judgment you had. SAF was the exception and of course he went on to be the best ever. But you have to have faith in your judgment in those types of situations as you would almost always be right.
posted on 25/1/20
Regardless of whether the manager is good enough or not, the arguments for or against should be made on the merits of the work being done currently, or in previous jobs, not on the merits of different situations of some of the greatest managers in the world, and of all time.
posted on 25/1/20
If you don't know the past, you are doomed to keep making the same mistakes.
posted on 25/1/20
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 2 minutes ago
If you don't know the past, you are doomed to keep making the same mistakes.
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😂 That’s such a vague and nothing statement though. You could just as easily point to clubs who made a mistake of not sacking their manager as a testament to following the past as a guide
posted on 25/1/20
It might be vague and irrelevant, but it reads well.
posted on 25/1/20
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 17 seconds ago
It might be vague and irrelevant, but it reads well.
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Fair enough, 😂
Hope you’re doing well mate 👍
posted on 25/1/20
Let's be fair, none of the last four appointments that the club have made have been right, and the recruitments been even worse.
Whoever the next flavour of the month is probably needs a new team that can implement his ideas, and we know that's not going to happen.
Then it'll be all 'here we go again'. Looking forward to it already.
posted on 25/1/20
comment by Robb Fernandes (U22311)
posted 50 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 8 seconds ago
At some point you have to use logic rather than keep someone on when everything inside screams ‘he’s not good enough’
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Translation: at some point you have to use Robb's logic, which seems to rely on listening to the screaming voices of gut feeling. You're on better gtound when you acknowledge this is an informed but subjective viewpoint, Robb, than claiming that 'logic' is on your side.
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There’s nothing illogical about thinking Ole isn’t good enough. It’s many people’s logic too, not just mine. It was illogical to hire him in the first place. I do thank you for your attempts to police the United board and have everybody use the same approved language that would becalm you ✌️
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Point out contradictions in someone's post and I'm 'policing your language'? Don't be a tw@ Robb.
No one is saying that thinking Ole should go is illogical. I just found it ironic that you suggested that, to quote, "listening to the voice screaming inside you" = applying logic.
posted on 25/1/20
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Robb Fernandes (U22311)
posted 50 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 8 seconds ago
At some point you have to use logic rather than keep someone on when everything inside screams ‘he’s not good enough’
-------------------------------------------------------
Translation: at some point you have to use Robb's logic, which seems to rely on listening to the screaming voices of gut feeling. You're on better gtound when you acknowledge this is an informed but subjective viewpoint, Robb, than claiming that 'logic' is on your side.
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There’s nothing illogical about thinking Ole isn’t good enough. It’s many people’s logic too, not just mine. It was illogical to hire him in the first place. I do thank you for your attempts to police the United board and have everybody use the same approved language that would becalm you ✌️
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Point out contradictions in someone's post and I'm 'policing your language'? Don't be a tw@ Robb.
No one is saying that thinking Ole should go is illogical. I just found it ironic that you suggested that, to quote, "listening to the voice screaming inside you" = applying logic.
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Well, I think the very definition of policing someone’s language is pointing out someone’s contradictions 😂
What if the voice screaming inside of you is screaming ‘this is illogical’?
C’mon Russian, take off the sheriffs badge and enjoy everyone’s foibles and the way they type words. We don’t all have degrees from the Moscow school of perceived contractions 😉
posted on 25/1/20
This isn't a Russian thing, Robb. Come out with nonsense like that in the Lyceum and Aristotle would have had you flogged.
posted on 25/1/20
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 4 minutes ago
This isn't a Russian thing, Robb. Come out with nonsense like that in the Lyceum and Aristotle would have had you flogged.
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Aristotle wasn’t good enough
posted on 25/1/20
comment by Robb Fernandes (U22311)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 4 minutes ago
This isn't a Russian thing, Robb. Come out with nonsense like that in the Lyceum and Aristotle would have had you flogged.
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Aristotle wasn’t good enough
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You'd have sacked him and got Pochitotle in.
posted on 25/1/20
Ole is less qualified than Moyes.
He's infinitely more likely to be Moyes than Fergie.
posted on 25/1/20
comment by The Post Nearly Man. Who put the ball in the Germans' net? (U1270)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Robb Fernandes (U22311)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 4 minutes ago
This isn't a Russian thing, Robb. Come out with nonsense like that in the Lyceum and Aristotle would have had you flogged.
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Aristotle wasn’t good enough
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You'd have sacked him and got Pochitotle in.
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The whole is more than the sum of its parts
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