Even when we put out our full side we have zero philosophy and look like a bunch of strangers. In our last 5 league games we’ve not scored a single goal in 4 of them. Our next game is a 6 pointer against Chelsea - lose that and top 4 is probably done
Mata was your best player yesterday...& if we still had him he'd have probably made the difference in our game yesterday too
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posted 10 minutes ago
comment by Bumblebeetuna (U4302)
posted 1 minute ago
Even if he didn’t have the options on the bench, a good manager would be able to find the best tactics to fit the players he has, yet Ole keeps persisting with 4231, or 5311 against the better teams. It just appears Ole is playing not to lose. That’s why we’re very defensive minded but don’t have a clue on how to attack. Might score the odd lucky set piece goal but that’s about it. It’s so boring to watch.
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I would never judge us on a game against Wolves. We aren't world-beaters. But they are the most reactive team in the league. They make no effort to attack. Abd when they eventually do, it's always with the clean sheet in mind. They're very very dull. And we're hardly a Barrell of thrills. Hence why we saw the biweekly United v Wolves horror show
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I get it, Wolves are a nasty team to play against, but they're not the only team we’ve played where we have looked clueless. I keep hearing this excuse that Ole can only do what he can with all these injuries, but if you go back to the last 10 games of last season, we had Rashford, Pogba, McT as well as Lukaku, Sanchez and Harerra all fit, yet we still looked clueless and only managed like 2 win in 11, failing to beat Cardiff and Huddersfield who were atrocious.
Then some fans were like give Ole the pre season, let him implement his style and get the fitness up, the player aren’t use to this high press he wants to play, imbed his tactics get rid of the toxic dressing room blah blah. So here we are, over half way through the season with the worst points total in over 30 years, with players being injured long term because they’ve been run to the ground. That wasn’t misfortune, they were aggravated because they were playing with an injury and it just got worse.
Fans can have their opinion but if you honestly believe that a manger who’s only honour leading Molde to a couple of titles will be able to rebuild a huge club with expectations like Utd, then you might be waiting for a long time.
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posted 10 minutes ago
comment by Bumblebeetuna (U4302)
posted 1 minute ago
Even if he didn’t have the options on the bench, a good manager would be able to find the best tactics to fit the players he has, yet Ole keeps persisting with 4231, or 5311 against the better teams. It just appears Ole is playing not to lose. That’s why we’re very defensive minded but don’t have a clue on how to attack. Might score the odd lucky set piece goal but that’s about it. It’s so boring to watch.
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I would never judge us on a game against Wolves. We aren't world-beaters. But they are the most reactive team in the league. They make no effort to attack. Abd when they eventually do, it's always with the clean sheet in mind. They're very very dull. And we're hardly a Barrell of thrills. Hence why we saw the biweekly United v Wolves horror show
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I get it, Wolves are a nasty team to play against, but they're not the only team we’ve played where we have looked clueless. I keep hearing this excuse that Ole can only do what he can with all these injuries, but if you go back to the last 10 games of last season, we had Rashford, Pogba, McT as well as Lukaku, Sanchez and Harerra all fit, yet we still looked clueless and only managed like 2 win in 11, failing to beat Cardiff and Huddersfield who were atrocious.
Then some fans were like give Ole the pre season, let him implement his style and get the fitness up, the player aren’t use to this high press he wants to play, imbed his tactics get rid of the toxic dressing room blah blah. So here we are, over half way through the season with the worst points total in over 30 years, with players being injured long term because they’ve been run to the ground. That wasn’t misfortune, they were aggravated because they were playing with an injury and it just got worse.
Fans can have their opinion but if you honestly believe that a manger who’s only honour leading Molde to a couple of titles will be able to rebuild a huge club with expectations like Utd, then you might be waiting for a long time.
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No, i think Ole is out of his depth. But Wolves is Wolves. I grow tired of hearing what a breath of fresh air they are.
They are not. They're the opposite. They're a Jorge Mendez vehicle. And beyond that, they are avsilutejry rubbish to watch. And I've seen them play far more often than I'd like to
Merry, we don’t need to see them until next season
Well, unless we see them in the Europa league 😂
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Liverpool sacked Brendan Rogers after he came so close to win the title in the previous season. The sacking wasn't about Rogers, but it was about finding the right man who can take the club forward. Any logical person can see that Ole is not the man to clean the mess we are in at the moment. Only gave him the benefit of the doubt at the start thinking he can at least identify and sign the right players for the club, but that doesn't look like the case and the less said about him implementing his style the better. We need to identify the right man with experience and self belief and support him in every way possible. I believe Poch can be that man.
Once people start saying clueless, garbage, dreadful about our manager, none of which are true, then they have lost any crédibilité.
comment by United we win (U19958)
posted 7 minutes ago
There’s many excuses made for ole when in truth he’s a garbage manager. He wouldn’t be good enough to manage wolves and would anger any fans in the premier league if he became there manager, yet some believe he’s good enough to manage united? It’s laughable. Since he’s been here we haven’t improved at all and have shown no development in attack. He’s Awful and we’d be doing better with big Sam. Wolves manager would be a huge upgrade on him
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He maybe would be good enough to manage Wolves if Mendez was his agebt tbf. How that is allowed in FFP is everything that is wrong with football. We see teams desperately scraping for their lives. Yet a team can break every FFP rule in the football league (bizarrely the rule is only applied to football league in terms of punishment) and they're a breath of fresh air.
They're anything but. Came up with the biggest FFP deficit in history. But they went up, so it's all good. As the PL don't actually punish that sort of "romanticism"
If you say Ole isn't producing the football we all want and expect, we could have a discussion about it.
I don’t think Ole is clueless but he’s far behind the type of manager we need regarding risk, tactics, inspiration etc.
He looks a broken man and his comment about the goalposts being moved were odd. I thought he was joking at first but can’t tell now.
It's fine criticising Ole and coming to the conclusion he's come up short of the requirements we have. But saying 'he's clueless' / 'he has no philosophy' is self-flattering stupidity. I can't be bothered to engage with such a facile argument again. I expressed my viewpoint on the matter here:
https://www.ja606.co.uk/articles/viewArticle/417917
Fans saying clueless is probably just out of frustration on how awful we look on the pitch, and let’s be honest, last night we really did look pretty awful, and what was up the the 88th minute substitution, that was odd. Not enough time to make any sort of impact.
It’s tricky because we’re not debating whether he should get the job. He has the job.
On the one hand, there’s an argument that he does need time. All managers do, particularly given the sheiteshow he inherited.
This idea he doesn’t have a plan is nonsense. Ever manager has a plan. He’s a student of the game and he will know what he wants. Whether he can implement it is another matter.
On the flip side, there’s the sunk cost fallacy. No point throwing good money after bad if he was the wrong appointment.
In truth, none of us really know and this season was always going to be a bump ride - whenever was in charge.
It’s not our decision and so at present I’m willing to back him and the team. I hope for better things to come.
I'm not gonna lie. My main issue with him getting the job was because it wasn't based on his abilities or managerial achievements. It was based on the fact he used to play for us, and that's not a sound reason to appoint a manager. It's ridiculous, it really is. How many games did Klopp play for Liverpool? Why does having player for us make you the best man for the job?
And I will always struggle to get past that, til Ole justifies a position I think he was given for all the wrong reasons.
And he's done very little to prove me wrong. Thus far
A couple of signings and it's all good.
This is why I said it smacked of being spoilt
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I think people most realised (rightly) yesterday wasn't the time to stage such a protest.
Quite the irony seeing the words "has no clue" in the same sentence as saying Bruno is an AMF. He can play there, but is seen as a #8 and started his career as a DM.
In terms of a debut, Bruno was literally our best player in terms of all relevant metrics (and the best player on the pitch in most) so he probably did okay
comment by The-ComeBack-Kings (U18502)
posted 1 hour, 30 minutes ago
Liverpool sacked Brendan Rogers after he came so close to win the title in the previous season. The sacking wasn't about Rogers, but it was about finding the right man who can take the club forward. Any logical person can see that Ole is not the man to clean the mess we are in at the moment. Only gave him the benefit of the doubt at the start thinking he can at least identify and sign the right players for the club, but that doesn't look like the case and the less said about him implementing his style the better. We need to identify the right man with experience and self belief and support him in every way possible. I believe Poch can be that man.
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To be fair Rodgers isn't too shabby at Leicester at the moment
OP
Not sure how you can call the manager clueless and then state he played Bruno as a CDM.
In the first half he played Pereira there with Fred. In the second half he switched Bruno there for a while with Fred but Bruno played more box to box in the end. He was totally knackered By the last ten minutes.
Where the manager got it wrong was in his substitutions. Greenwood should have come on at the start of the second half and Pereira should have been removed.
To be fair I don't know who you would have played in mf with all the injuries and suspensions, he had to shift Pereira as he was playing so bad. Martial is drifting to the left he's never in the box, I don't think he listens to instructions which is why mourinhio wanted rid.
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 9 minutes ago
OP
Not sure how you can call the manager clueless and then state he played Bruno as a CDM.
In the first half he played Pereira there with Fred. In the second half he switched Bruno there for a while with Fred but Bruno played more box to box in the end. He was totally knackered By the last ten minutes.
Where the manager got it wrong was in his substitutions. Greenwood should have come on at the start of the second half and Pereira should have been removed.
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Didn't see the game but i can see why this would have been the best course of action. But there aren't many options
comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin - Ole's joy Manticore (U2958)
posted 32 minutes ago
Quite the irony seeing the words "has no clue" in the same sentence as saying Bruno is an AMF. He can play there, but is seen as a #8 and started his career as a DM.
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I laughed at that too
Obviously they have little or no knowledge of Bruno outside of his goal scoring stats and a goal/assist compilation on YouTube
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posted on 2/2/20
Even when we put out our full side we have zero philosophy and look like a bunch of strangers. In our last 5 league games we’ve not scored a single goal in 4 of them. Our next game is a 6 pointer against Chelsea - lose that and top 4 is probably done
posted on 2/2/20
Mata was your best player yesterday...& if we still had him he'd have probably made the difference in our game yesterday too
posted on 2/2/20
comment by merrysupersteve - Jose'd he wouldn't be our Special One? (U1132)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by Bumblebeetuna (U4302)
posted 1 minute ago
Even if he didn’t have the options on the bench, a good manager would be able to find the best tactics to fit the players he has, yet Ole keeps persisting with 4231, or 5311 against the better teams. It just appears Ole is playing not to lose. That’s why we’re very defensive minded but don’t have a clue on how to attack. Might score the odd lucky set piece goal but that’s about it. It’s so boring to watch.
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I would never judge us on a game against Wolves. We aren't world-beaters. But they are the most reactive team in the league. They make no effort to attack. Abd when they eventually do, it's always with the clean sheet in mind. They're very very dull. And we're hardly a Barrell of thrills. Hence why we saw the biweekly United v Wolves horror show
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I get it, Wolves are a nasty team to play against, but they're not the only team we’ve played where we have looked clueless. I keep hearing this excuse that Ole can only do what he can with all these injuries, but if you go back to the last 10 games of last season, we had Rashford, Pogba, McT as well as Lukaku, Sanchez and Harerra all fit, yet we still looked clueless and only managed like 2 win in 11, failing to beat Cardiff and Huddersfield who were atrocious.
Then some fans were like give Ole the pre season, let him implement his style and get the fitness up, the player aren’t use to this high press he wants to play, imbed his tactics get rid of the toxic dressing room blah blah. So here we are, over half way through the season with the worst points total in over 30 years, with players being injured long term because they’ve been run to the ground. That wasn’t misfortune, they were aggravated because they were playing with an injury and it just got worse.
Fans can have their opinion but if you honestly believe that a manger who’s only honour leading Molde to a couple of titles will be able to rebuild a huge club with expectations like Utd, then you might be waiting for a long time.
posted on 2/2/20
comment by Bumblebeetuna (U4302)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by merrysupersteve - Jose'd he wouldn't be our Special One? (U1132)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by Bumblebeetuna (U4302)
posted 1 minute ago
Even if he didn’t have the options on the bench, a good manager would be able to find the best tactics to fit the players he has, yet Ole keeps persisting with 4231, or 5311 against the better teams. It just appears Ole is playing not to lose. That’s why we’re very defensive minded but don’t have a clue on how to attack. Might score the odd lucky set piece goal but that’s about it. It’s so boring to watch.
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I would never judge us on a game against Wolves. We aren't world-beaters. But they are the most reactive team in the league. They make no effort to attack. Abd when they eventually do, it's always with the clean sheet in mind. They're very very dull. And we're hardly a Barrell of thrills. Hence why we saw the biweekly United v Wolves horror show
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I get it, Wolves are a nasty team to play against, but they're not the only team we’ve played where we have looked clueless. I keep hearing this excuse that Ole can only do what he can with all these injuries, but if you go back to the last 10 games of last season, we had Rashford, Pogba, McT as well as Lukaku, Sanchez and Harerra all fit, yet we still looked clueless and only managed like 2 win in 11, failing to beat Cardiff and Huddersfield who were atrocious.
Then some fans were like give Ole the pre season, let him implement his style and get the fitness up, the player aren’t use to this high press he wants to play, imbed his tactics get rid of the toxic dressing room blah blah. So here we are, over half way through the season with the worst points total in over 30 years, with players being injured long term because they’ve been run to the ground. That wasn’t misfortune, they were aggravated because they were playing with an injury and it just got worse.
Fans can have their opinion but if you honestly believe that a manger who’s only honour leading Molde to a couple of titles will be able to rebuild a huge club with expectations like Utd, then you might be waiting for a long time.
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No, i think Ole is out of his depth. But Wolves is Wolves. I grow tired of hearing what a breath of fresh air they are.
They are not. They're the opposite. They're a Jorge Mendez vehicle. And beyond that, they are avsilutejry rubbish to watch. And I've seen them play far more often than I'd like to
posted on 2/2/20
Merry, we don’t need to see them until next season
Well, unless we see them in the Europa league 😂
posted on 2/2/20
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posted on 2/2/20
This thread
posted on 2/2/20
Liverpool sacked Brendan Rogers after he came so close to win the title in the previous season. The sacking wasn't about Rogers, but it was about finding the right man who can take the club forward. Any logical person can see that Ole is not the man to clean the mess we are in at the moment. Only gave him the benefit of the doubt at the start thinking he can at least identify and sign the right players for the club, but that doesn't look like the case and the less said about him implementing his style the better. We need to identify the right man with experience and self belief and support him in every way possible. I believe Poch can be that man.
posted on 2/2/20
Once people start saying clueless, garbage, dreadful about our manager, none of which are true, then they have lost any crédibilité.
posted on 2/2/20
comment by United we win (U19958)
posted 7 minutes ago
There’s many excuses made for ole when in truth he’s a garbage manager. He wouldn’t be good enough to manage wolves and would anger any fans in the premier league if he became there manager, yet some believe he’s good enough to manage united? It’s laughable. Since he’s been here we haven’t improved at all and have shown no development in attack. He’s Awful and we’d be doing better with big Sam. Wolves manager would be a huge upgrade on him
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He maybe would be good enough to manage Wolves if Mendez was his agebt tbf. How that is allowed in FFP is everything that is wrong with football. We see teams desperately scraping for their lives. Yet a team can break every FFP rule in the football league (bizarrely the rule is only applied to football league in terms of punishment) and they're a breath of fresh air.
They're anything but. Came up with the biggest FFP deficit in history. But they went up, so it's all good. As the PL don't actually punish that sort of "romanticism"
posted on 2/2/20
If you say Ole isn't producing the football we all want and expect, we could have a discussion about it.
posted on 2/2/20
I don’t think Ole is clueless but he’s far behind the type of manager we need regarding risk, tactics, inspiration etc.
He looks a broken man and his comment about the goalposts being moved were odd. I thought he was joking at first but can’t tell now.
posted on 2/2/20
It's fine criticising Ole and coming to the conclusion he's come up short of the requirements we have. But saying 'he's clueless' / 'he has no philosophy' is self-flattering stupidity. I can't be bothered to engage with such a facile argument again. I expressed my viewpoint on the matter here:
https://www.ja606.co.uk/articles/viewArticle/417917
posted on 2/2/20
Fans saying clueless is probably just out of frustration on how awful we look on the pitch, and let’s be honest, last night we really did look pretty awful, and what was up the the 88th minute substitution, that was odd. Not enough time to make any sort of impact.
posted on 2/2/20
It’s tricky because we’re not debating whether he should get the job. He has the job.
On the one hand, there’s an argument that he does need time. All managers do, particularly given the sheiteshow he inherited.
This idea he doesn’t have a plan is nonsense. Ever manager has a plan. He’s a student of the game and he will know what he wants. Whether he can implement it is another matter.
On the flip side, there’s the sunk cost fallacy. No point throwing good money after bad if he was the wrong appointment.
In truth, none of us really know and this season was always going to be a bump ride - whenever was in charge.
It’s not our decision and so at present I’m willing to back him and the team. I hope for better things to come.
posted on 2/2/20
I'm not gonna lie. My main issue with him getting the job was because it wasn't based on his abilities or managerial achievements. It was based on the fact he used to play for us, and that's not a sound reason to appoint a manager. It's ridiculous, it really is. How many games did Klopp play for Liverpool? Why does having player for us make you the best man for the job?
And I will always struggle to get past that, til Ole justifies a position I think he was given for all the wrong reasons.
And he's done very little to prove me wrong. Thus far
posted on 2/2/20
A couple of signings and it's all good.
This is why I said it smacked of being spoilt
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I think people most realised (rightly) yesterday wasn't the time to stage such a protest.
posted on 2/2/20
*most people
posted on 2/2/20
Quite the irony seeing the words "has no clue" in the same sentence as saying Bruno is an AMF. He can play there, but is seen as a #8 and started his career as a DM.
posted on 2/2/20
In terms of a debut, Bruno was literally our best player in terms of all relevant metrics (and the best player on the pitch in most) so he probably did okay
posted on 2/2/20
comment by The-ComeBack-Kings (U18502)
posted 1 hour, 30 minutes ago
Liverpool sacked Brendan Rogers after he came so close to win the title in the previous season. The sacking wasn't about Rogers, but it was about finding the right man who can take the club forward. Any logical person can see that Ole is not the man to clean the mess we are in at the moment. Only gave him the benefit of the doubt at the start thinking he can at least identify and sign the right players for the club, but that doesn't look like the case and the less said about him implementing his style the better. We need to identify the right man with experience and self belief and support him in every way possible. I believe Poch can be that man.
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To be fair Rodgers isn't too shabby at Leicester at the moment
posted on 2/2/20
OP
Not sure how you can call the manager clueless and then state he played Bruno as a CDM.
In the first half he played Pereira there with Fred. In the second half he switched Bruno there for a while with Fred but Bruno played more box to box in the end. He was totally knackered By the last ten minutes.
Where the manager got it wrong was in his substitutions. Greenwood should have come on at the start of the second half and Pereira should have been removed.
posted on 2/2/20
To be fair I don't know who you would have played in mf with all the injuries and suspensions, he had to shift Pereira as he was playing so bad. Martial is drifting to the left he's never in the box, I don't think he listens to instructions which is why mourinhio wanted rid.
posted on 2/2/20
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 9 minutes ago
OP
Not sure how you can call the manager clueless and then state he played Bruno as a CDM.
In the first half he played Pereira there with Fred. In the second half he switched Bruno there for a while with Fred but Bruno played more box to box in the end. He was totally knackered By the last ten minutes.
Where the manager got it wrong was in his substitutions. Greenwood should have come on at the start of the second half and Pereira should have been removed.
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Didn't see the game but i can see why this would have been the best course of action. But there aren't many options
posted on 2/2/20
comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin - Ole's joy Manticore (U2958)
posted 32 minutes ago
Quite the irony seeing the words "has no clue" in the same sentence as saying Bruno is an AMF. He can play there, but is seen as a #8 and started his career as a DM.
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I laughed at that too
Obviously they have little or no knowledge of Bruno outside of his goal scoring stats and a goal/assist compilation on YouTube
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