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posted on 10/3/20

Just like a wild horse, Arteta has to break him first.

posted on 10/3/20

Maybe he’s trying to correct Guen’s flaws in training first rather than letting them happen and cost us on the pitch

posted on 10/3/20

Some people just don't seem to get that Arteta's appointment wasn't a short-term 'steady the ship' / get us back in the top 4 thing, but just the start of a long term project to turn the club round, after years of decline.

Therefore, like the rest of the squad, Arteta is handling Guendouzi perfectly. He, the player and the club will all benefit from it in the LONG TERM.

It really isn't complicated.

posted on 10/3/20

'Just the type of player that someone like Pep/SAF/Early Wenger would take and have playing blinders in a matter of months.'

Yeah, like Reine-Adelaide, Gnabry, Merida, Coquelin, Oxlade-Chamberlain, Szczesny, Fabianski, Bennacer...

posted on 10/3/20

He’s still getting decent game time. Think it’s more he doesn’t quite fit in with how Arteta wants the team set up at the moment. He had disciplinary issue but that seems resolved and he’s responded well so don’t think that’s an issue anymore. Bear in mind he’s already played quite a lot this season, and basically all last season so might be god for him to be taken out a bit, quite unusual a player at his age and experience would have played quite as much as he has. With Torreira out I expect we’ll see a bit more of him, and hopefully an improved version

posted on 10/3/20

Guendouzi isn't good enough to be starting over the likes of xhaka, Torreira and Ceballos

posted on 10/3/20

comment by Lexington 125.2 (U8879)
posted 1 hour, 44 minutes ago
Some people just don't seem to get that Arteta's appointment wasn't a short-term 'steady the ship' / get us back in the top 4 thing, but just the start of a long term project to turn the club round, after years of decline.

Therefore, like the rest of the squad, Arteta is handling Guendouzi perfectly. He, the player and the club will all benefit from it in the LONG TERM.

It really isn't complicated.
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This.

Guendouzi played far more last season than anyone expected, and more than he probably should have, because of the inadequacies of others. Good for him to have a break and the responsibility of carrying the team eased off his young shoulders.

Already seeing people panicking about Martinelli dropping out of the first XI, even though it is most likely best for his development and the team.
AMN is another who needs the time to rediscover his position.
I'm sure Saka will get dropped out as soon as Tierney is available, to allow him to recover from a lot of football in a short space of time.

posted on 10/3/20

Only one I am struggling with is AMN who is our best right back

posted on 10/3/20

Getting rid of Guendouzi will be one of the worst mistakes by any Arsenal manager, and I wouldn't want Arteta to be remembered as the manager who got rid of one of our best young prospects. He may not be ready now, but he is a work in progress and only needs time.

posted on 11/3/20

comment by Castor Troy (U8700)
posted 13 hours, 23 minutes ago
Only one I am struggling with is AMN who is our best right back
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The rumour is that AMN is too lazy in training and Arteta won't have it.

posted on 11/3/20

comment by ItsAboutTheBackFour (U9916)
posted 6 hours, 47 minutes ago
comment by Castor Troy (U8700)
posted 13 hours, 23 minutes ago
Only one I am struggling with is AMN who is our best right back
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The rumour is that AMN is too lazy in training and Arteta won't have it.
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Bit rich from Arteta there. CAN'T be moaning about players being lazy in training when ya gonna let Ozil waltz around being lazy in matches every week. This is what I meant by his effect on team morale, in the background. Can you imagine being any Arsenal player and having Arteta yelling at you about laziness whilst allowing captain lazy card blanche to do nothing. It's not going to bring the best attitude out in you is it. I know I'D lose it with the manager. Full training ground bust up, beginning with the words from me "LAZY?? Are you having a reckon laugh..." Sorry but the manager is BANG OUTTA ORDER there. I hope that isn't true, though I fear it is. THAT'S how messed up our club has gotten

DJ and Lex

Why do you two talk about this as though we have these players tied up in good, solid, long term contracts with juicy buyout clauses? I understand all the reasons you're giving but your laid back "Chill we got all the time in the world man," attitude toward this, is something we as a club don't have the luxury of. Their contracts are sh!t, we can lose them for chump change (Martinelli/Guen) and neither is on some big wage that will keep them here "putting up with it for the money" Assuming that both players will happily sit tight on the bench, whilst we faff about flogging a dead horse, is a large and dangerous assumption. PLAYING is about the only thing we have left to offer these players to keep them. They WON'T be short of better off come the summer. If Arteta's plan is a long term one, then keeping both players this summer should be one of his top priorities. Making them sit on the bench and watch the team play badly, suggests he couldn't give a rat's ass if they go or not.

posted on 11/3/20

'I understand all the reasons you're giving but your laid back "Chill we got all the time in the world man," attitude toward this, is something we as a club don't have the luxury of.'

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Problem is, you're focusing far too much on what's best for the players when, to be honest, I'm much more concerned with the long term progression of the football club. Therefore Arteta being given time to grow and improve as a manager is far more important to me than Guendouzi being given opportunities to improve as a player.

I understand the two scenarios aren't mutually exclusive, but it's just how I see it at the moment. Ask me again in 18 months time, when MA will have had a transfer window to start shaping the squad the way he wants to, a pre-season to really start imposing his ideas on the players, and I might think differently.

Hopefully things will be even more on the up by then, and if any players have had to be sacrificed (not suggestion that MG will have been one of them) then it won't seem such a big deal.

posted on 11/3/20

Arteta is annoying me already. Stubbornly attempting success with a long time tried and tested FAILURE formula. He was stupid to even attempt it and his arrogance has cost us big time. If he'd put half the time and effort into instructing MG, as he has clearly put in tolerating our biggest failure, ego tripping that he would succeed where better than him has failed miserably. Then maybe the MG would have began to settle down already. Too busy using him to cover his weakness in dealing with Ozil. No stamp of authority or making an example of there you notice, despite an abundance of cause for it.

A miserable points tally, failure to achieve CL again AND embarrassed by Olympiakos. I think that's enough of a price for the club/fans to pay, for MA's personal growth. Having to lose our best young talent in the summer as well, because he was to pig headed to use it, would just add insult to injury.

Mate if he doesn't take heed of what's happened so far and drop Ozil, then in 18 months he ain't gonna be the Arsenal manager. #Gone by Christmas 2020

posted on 11/3/20

It might not suit you, and your agenda, but at least you should credit Arteta with constancy regarding his handling of players. He said right from the off that there were 'non-negotiables', and we know that at least three of the players have pushed their luck not committing to the new way things are now, all but one of them backing down and falling in to line.

That, I'd say, is if nothing else, brilliant man management.

But that the same could be said for either of the previous, much more experiences, incumbents. Emery hilariously (for some) banishing certain players from the match day squads - one of them being a notable favourite of yours - only to then back down when things weren't working out, and reinstate them - worst of all for him, this coincided with an upturn in performances.

Wenger though was even worse, and perhaps is much more to blame - possibly even helping incubate Ozil's 'I'll let you know if and when I want to play' attitude, by allowing him to call the shots (or should that be assists ) both in training, and on picking and choosing which away days he fancied hooking along to - something that was later confirmed by Ramsey, even if it was said in jest.

So yeah, Arteta annoying you already eh, 'Wenger's Bodyguard 2'?

Interesting...

posted on 12/3/20

I'm with Arteta on this one, too many Arsenal players swaggering about like 'Billy big boIIocks' despite achieving fucck all.
AMN is another one on a big salary who can't be bothered to turn up to training on time

posted on 14/3/20

If he was doing it to everyone then that'd be good man management. Where's Ozil's benching then? Because if we're talking about players swaggering about with bad attitude, he's the biggest and worst offender. Crap showing after crap showing STILL, not pressing the ball, STILL, disappearing from the game as soon as the opposition don't serve it up on a plate for him, STILL. The attitude incubated by Wenger, as you put it Lex. Is still alive and kicking (unlike Ozil's desire to play). If a new manager was going to come in and stamp down on bad attitudes, then it HAD to start at Ozil. But no, Arteta comes in, kisses his ass and keeps him firmly in the starting eleven, no matter how useless he is?????

No two ways about it guys, Arteta is a punk and yet another OWNED biyatch of Ozil's. If he wasn't then we'd have seen bench time for the number ten too. If he'd done that, right alongside teaching the youngsters thier lesson, then I'd be fine with it despite wanting AMN and MG playing. Contrary to your belief that it's great management. I think it's a shocking example. Arteta has TOTOALLY BOTTLED IT! Blatantly shown he's too gutless to address the team's biggest weakness. Guys he's not stamped his authority on the team and all he's going to do now is foster resentment from the team. Because he's just proved to the team and world, that it's MESUT OZIL who is in charge at the Emirates, not him.

I'm not one for shoddy training but that said. Both AMN and MG generally give 100% when they play (though AMN has his moments). Both are definitely 10 times more likely to scrap for a game than Ozil. So aside from the "I'm scared to put Ozil in his place" showing of his ass. He's also two match commited players down, whilst playing one lacking any match commitment at all, slap bang in the middle of the park. Seriously guys NOTHING about how Arteta is handling this, says "Good man management." Not when you look at the problems in the team which need addressing. I'll tell you, short of Stan miraculously whacking out a cheque book. We're completely stuffed til Ozil's gone because Arteta ain't got what it takes to sort the Ozil problem out. I dunno, maybe they'll figure out how badly he's killing this club. When absolutely everyone who can, fecks off this summer. Because this pro Ozil sh!t from Arteta, would damned sure be the last straw for me if I was an Arsenal player. Just seen it for 5 years and two managers and now this new one comes, only to rinse and repeat another 5. No ta mate, transfer request in.

posted on 14/3/20

I'm sorry man, but at this stage it's starting to sound like dry barking coming from you. I'm sure you're probably making all the physical moves an' everything, but actually nothing much is coming out.

There's just so many flaws to your most recent post, I'm genuinely struggling with where to begin to reply.

'AMN and MG generally give 100% when they play'

Do they though? I mean, MG certainly runs around a lot, but it's not exactly always particularly productive, is it? And as for AMN, one of his worst characteristics is an apparent lack of desire to recover from being caught out of position, or from having given the ball away cheaply.

And you wanna talk bad attitude? Well look no further than young Ainsley, telling the manager he doesn't want to play RB anymore. Oh, okay then, mate. DO write next season to let us know how you're settling in in Bournemouth.

But no, you'd rather talk about Ozil 'owning' Arteta, and how that is going to cause bad vibes within the squad. This is the happiest an Arsenal squad has looked in about 5 years, ffs! And you really think if Arteta saw something from Pepe, or Willock, or even Guendouzi that he thought could improve the team more than what he thinks he might get from Ozil, he'd still pick the German instead? Sounds like paranoia to me, fella.

Which would certainly fit with you thinking that a bit of time away from the pressure of starting every week for Arsenal would mean that 'MG WILL ASK TO LEAVE THE CLUB THIS SUMMER!!!'

Martinelli too!

Can just picture the two of them, going out like Butch and Sundance (or Thelma and Louise, if you'd prefer). Oh hang on a minute, aren't they both under contract with the club?

But yeah, let's have the manager cede to a couple of our youth players. THEN we'll all see what a weak manager looks like!

What you seem to be conveniently forgetting is that Arsenal currently have a 26 man squad. It's part of a manager's job to keep everyone as happy as possible. Now, outside of here (particularly this thread) I've read, heard, seen nothing to counter that that isn't happening. Perhaps you have other 'sources' though?

Wenger didn't handle Ozil well. This we all know. As previously stated, Aaron Ramsey confirmed as much. Never hear to bang on about that though.

Emery... haha. I mean, just... no. Really. Totally failed. You're strangely silent about that one too though.

As I say, really curious to know why that is.

Oops, no, apologies. Just remembered... I'm really not any more. I think this is a subject I'm going to leave you to mope about alone now.

We'll just have to disagree to agree about agreeing.

What I will say is, I hope Arteta is allowed the time to develop a group of players whom he actually wants to work with. For what it's worth, I don't think he'd have Ozil in that squad tbh, and I think that, again, the club will try to move him on again during the next window.

Take it easy, man. Hope you and yours are all good.

posted on 15/3/20

On big flaw in all you saying Lex. Managers keeping trusting in Ozil (either by choice or necessity) and he keeps letting them down. YOU are/have been, doing the same. You have literally just again effectively hammered Wenger for how he managed Ozil. Then in the same post backed Arteta for handling him the exact same way Wenger did (just put up with it and play him). So not seeing how Wenger was "Bad handling," but Arteta is "Great man management" if both men have done the exact same thing with the exact same player.

You're a fan-Wenger/Arteta, just gonna keep betting on the dead horse, no matter how many times it gets pronounced dead. STOP IT MAN! That nag just AIN'T gonna win you anything ever again, IT'S DEAD GUV! From the moment it was even suggested on these boards, that Ozil needed to be brought back, I've posted against it and then him being in the team since. You've consistently argued with me, backing his use all season. As I correctly predicted, he cost us everything again, being sh!t. Yet you're still sat here arguing with me that playing him was/is the right thing to do. It OBVIOUSLY wasn't because it failed miserably...AGAIN!

That failure comprehensively slaps down any argument to keep Ozil playing by it's very existence. If you had been correct to back him. Then this conversation wouldn't be happening because it'd have worked so I'd have no cause to say the things I have. But it was the wrong thing to do, that's why we're in the position we are now, whilst having the talent to be doing a lot better. Can't say a manager was incompetent for repeatedly backing a player who fails him time and again. When you yourself are sat backing said player to the hilt STILL after he's gotten that first manager and another one sacked. The epitome of hypocrisy Lex.

Finally, you don't seem to be acknowledging the part that the indulgence of Ozil has played in the fostering of the bad attitudes elsewhere in the team. As I warned at the start of the season. Continuing to indulge Ozil and his BS would undoubtedly cause resentment and foster bad attitudes in others. That was ALL it could do, because the other players had been forced to put up with him long enough already and he'd only just blown the CL for all of them. So he was the LAST player they wanted to see put back into a central, leading role. You can agree to disagree if you want but I don't need to. I'm being proved absolutely RIGHT on everything I've said so far this season regarding Ozil and what playing him would cost us. You're the one giving it the equivalent of "No water doesn't feel wet," as the substance of your argument.

posted on 15/3/20

Me and mine all good btw, hopenthe same in the house of Lex

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