comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 1 minute ago
Winston

So you think he’ll play when it restarts then?

Of course factory workers come into contact with others during the course of their job. During the manufacture of something it passes through many people. May not be direct contact, although on some places I’d imagine you work in close proximity. Same for the other jobs I listed.

Do you have any evidence that footballers come into physical contact over 90 minutes more than joe bloggs working in a factory etc?
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I've no idea whether he will or not - I'm just saying he didn't imply he wouldn't.

And we were talking about physical contact.

No, I don't think factory workers come into physical contact. I might be wrong and if I am, feel free to explain why.

"Do you have any evidence that footballers come into physical contact over 90 minutes more than joe bloggs working in a factory etc?"

No I don't.

But seeing as footballers jobs involve touching each other and factory workers jobs don't, I think it's reasonable to ask why someone might compare the two. Don't you?

comment by Champers - Pow! Right in the kisser (U6859)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Inbefore (U20589)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 10 seconds ago
comment by Inbefore (U20589)
posted 38 seconds ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 19 seconds ago
comment by Inbefore (U20589)
posted 1 second ago
under the safest working environment across the country you may add.
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Again I'll ask, what is that based on?
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based on the amount of money i expect to be thrown at precautions compared to what i know about working conditions at lets say supermarkets.
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So with respect, there's nothing actually scientific about that statement.

I'd question whether any job that involves physical contact will be deemed safer than one that doesn't, personally - would be interested to see evidence to the contrary.
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so you think a supermarket that has colleagues that come within 1 meter of 3000+ random customers a day, who have had literally no protection not even face masks, and only wet wipes after the first months and still never been tested. is no less safe than a footballer should football return as planned?
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My wife works for one of the major supermarkets. Your assessment of how they are running is massively inaccurate.
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I have multiple family members who work at them too, ive not just made it up

comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 14 seconds ago
Inbefore

You’re a posture aren’t you? Wondered what’s you made of these comments I read earlier on here;

“ Indeed we expect shop, postal, transport workers etc to carry on working throughout the crisis.
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Do posties run around tackling each other before they leave the delivery office?”

You’d be able to give some insight I hope?



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You need me to offer insight as to whether posties tackle each other?

comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 51 seconds ago
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 14 seconds ago
Inbefore

You’re a posture aren’t you? Wondered what’s you made of these comments I read earlier on here;

“ Indeed we expect shop, postal, transport workers etc to carry on working throughout the crisis.
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Do posties run around tackling each other before they leave the delivery office?”

You’d be able to give some insight I hope?



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You need me to offer insight as to whether posties tackle each other?
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Nope, hence why I addressed Inbefore at the top of the comment.

Hope this helps

comment by Inbefore (U20589)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Champers - Pow! Right in the kisser (U6859)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Inbefore (U20589)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 10 seconds ago
comment by Inbefore (U20589)
posted 38 seconds ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 19 seconds ago
comment by Inbefore (U20589)
posted 1 second ago
under the safest working environment across the country you may add.
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Again I'll ask, what is that based on?
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based on the amount of money i expect to be thrown at precautions compared to what i know about working conditions at lets say supermarkets.
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So with respect, there's nothing actually scientific about that statement.

I'd question whether any job that involves physical contact will be deemed safer than one that doesn't, personally - would be interested to see evidence to the contrary.
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so you think a supermarket that has colleagues that come within 1 meter of 3000+ random customers a day, who have had literally no protection not even face masks, and only wet wipes after the first months and still never been tested. is no less safe than a footballer should football return as planned?
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My wife works for one of the major supermarkets. Your assessment of how they are running is massively inaccurate.
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I have multiple family members who work at them too, ive not just made it up
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My wife, who goes into an average of 4 large stores per day, and who I asked about the validity of your comment (its her day off) says you have.

Social distancing is very strict for both staff and customers. Infringements can lead to gross misconduct disciplinary in the worst case scenario against an employee and customers will be warned or asked to leave if repeatedly flouting the rules.

Staff have been provided with masks upon request for the past 6 weeks.

Anti bac wipes, hand gel and gloves have been readily available for all staff since the start of the pandemic.

Her words, not mine, but she works in a position where she's very well placed to tell you your family members are, at best, overexaggerating their situation, or at worst, lying.

Soz.

one of them is head of security for example and has had to work as a bouncer essentially, allowing them in only when others have left. At a store that sees over 3000+ customers a day. And i know full well of the protection they were given and how long it took to get them any of it. Theyve only just got face visor guards/masks over the past few weeks. Hand sanitizer didnt come for months and they were not allowed to wear masks for months either. They were given wet wipes after a few weeks.

This was at the biggest asda in my local area, im sure marks n spencers or w.e had a slightly better response, but i wouldnt expect so.

“ But seeing as footballers jobs involve touching each other and factory workers jobs don't, I think it's reasonable to ask why someone might compare the two. Don't you?”

Chefs, catering, building, factories etc. All rely on close physical proximity to one another and numerous people touching objects the virus can be transferred on.

You’d be hard pushed to find a job outside of the entertainment industry/sports that involves actual physical contact. Given the 2m social distancing in place actual physical contact isn’t a prerequisite of risk of infection. Nor an increase. This makes your agreement largely pointless.

Comment not agreement

What evidence does dude want?So we have to provide links to government websites for everything we say or what?

Winston, are you saying footballers won't be among the safest group of workers in the country?

If so, what are your reasons for saying this?

comment by Inbefore (U20589)
posted 3 minutes ago
one of them is head of security for example and has had to work as a bouncer essentially, allowing them in only when others have left. At a store that sees over 3000+ customers a day. And i know full well of the protection they were given and how long it took to get them any of it. Theyve only just got face visor guards/masks over the past few weeks. Hand sanitizer didnt come for months and they were not allowed to wear masks for months either. They were given wet wipes after a few weeks.

This was at the biggest asda in my local area, im sure marks n spencers or w.e had a slightly better response, but i wouldnt expect so.
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In fairness, she doesn't work for ASDA and says they're infamous for doing things "their own (wrong) way". She can assure you any mates or family you might have who go to work in a....burgundy uniform...will be getting very well looked after.

Wish I'd never asked her now though, she'll be harping on at me about this all night now

comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 16 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 51 seconds ago
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 14 seconds ago
Inbefore

You’re a posture aren’t you? Wondered what’s you made of these comments I read earlier on here;

“ Indeed we expect shop, postal, transport workers etc to carry on working throughout the crisis.
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Do posties run around tackling each other before they leave the delivery office?”

You’d be able to give some insight I hope?



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You need me to offer insight as to whether posties tackle each other?
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Nope, hence why I addressed Inbefore at the top of the comment.

Hope this helps
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What comment? I don't see his name in this thread.

comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 10 minutes ago
“ But seeing as footballers jobs involve touching each other and factory workers jobs don't, I think it's reasonable to ask why someone might compare the two. Don't you?”

Chefs, catering, building, factories etc. All rely on close physical proximity to one another and numerous people touching objects the virus can be transferred on.

You’d be hard pushed to find a job outside of the entertainment industry/sports that involves actual physical contact. Given the 2m social distancing in place actual physical contact isn’t a prerequisite of risk of infection. Nor an increase. This makes your agreement largely pointless.
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Close physical proximity is not the same as physical contact, which is what I was discussing.

Hope this helps.

comment by Thor (U22388)
posted 8 minutes ago
What evidence does dude want?So we have to provide links to government websites for everything we say or what?

Winston, are you saying footballers won't be among the safest group of workers in the country?

If so, what are your reasons for saying this?
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Where did I say that?

comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 9 minutes ago
Comment not agreement
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What comment is pointless?

Winston dude, just leave it alone man.

Liverpool fans are super psychotic when it comes to this topic. There's no point discussing with them.

comment by Wahl Icht - (U22332)
posted 21 seconds ago
Winston dude, just leave it alone man.

Liverpool fans are super psychotic when it comes to this topic. There's no point discussing with them.
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It's all good.

comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 10 minutes ago
“ But seeing as footballers jobs involve touching each other and factory workers jobs don't, I think it's reasonable to ask why someone might compare the two. Don't you?”

Chefs, catering, building, factories etc. All rely on close physical proximity to one another and numerous people touching objects the virus can be transferred on.

You’d be hard pushed to find a job outside of the entertainment industry/sports that involves actual physical contact. Given the 2m social distancing in place actual physical contact isn’t a prerequisite of risk of infection. Nor an increase. This makes your agreement largely pointless.
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Close physical proximity is not the same as physical contact, which is what I was discussing.

Hope this helps.
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You can get the virus off doing both and there’s obviously just as much risk, hence 2m social distancing.

comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 16 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 51 seconds ago
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 14 seconds ago
Inbefore

You’re a posture aren’t you? Wondered what’s you made of these comments I read earlier on here;

“ Indeed we expect shop, postal, transport workers etc to carry on working throughout the crisis.
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Do posties run around tackling each other before they leave the delivery office?”

You’d be able to give some insight I hope?



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You need me to offer insight as to whether posties tackle each other?
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Nope, hence why I addressed Inbefore at the top of the comment.

Hope this helps
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What comment? I don't see his name in this thread.
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Well he’s on here

Family members of mine have literally had customers kick off and cough in their face and claim they or their family members or household have tested positive for corona and laughed etc. Wish i was lying :/ but this is what some people are capable of.

And yes i understand you're talking about physical proximity, they did implement a route system for example to stop people going up and down isles but you think they stopped everyone? And when people kick off and get annoyed you think they leave of their own will? People kicked off for being told to shop alone ffs. like that was a big deal, having to explain to people trying to claim she does the shopping, well let her do the shopping alone then.. but i drive... so? wait in the facking car?

"there’s obviously just as much risk"

Again, would be interested to see evidence for this.

All of the evidence I have seen suggests that physical contact with others is one key element of risk.

Still not sure what relevance this has - can Rose not question the safety of football because a completely different sector may also be unsafe?

comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 16 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 51 seconds ago
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 14 seconds ago
Inbefore

You’re a posture aren’t you? Wondered what’s you made of these comments I read earlier on here;

“ Indeed we expect shop, postal, transport workers etc to carry on working throughout the crisis.
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Do posties run around tackling each other before they leave the delivery office?”

You’d be able to give some insight I hope?



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You need me to offer insight as to whether posties tackle each other?
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Nope, hence why I addressed Inbefore at the top of the comment.

Hope this helps
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What comment? I don't see his name in this thread.
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Well he’s on here
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My apologies, I missed it.

comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 32 seconds ago
"there’s obviously just as much risk"

Again, would be interested to see evidence for this.

All of the evidence I have seen suggests that physical contact with others is one key element of risk.

Still not sure what relevance this has - can Rose not question the safety of football because a completely different sector may also be unsafe?
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If there isn’t as much risk why apply 2m social distancing?

Why the calls for improved hygiene, gloves etc if close proximity and discouraging cross touching surfaces?

comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Thor (U22388)
posted 8 minutes ago
What evidence does dude want?So we have to provide links to government websites for everything we say or what?

Winston, are you saying footballers won't be among the safest group of workers in the country?

If so, what are your reasons for saying this?
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Where did I say that?
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I only asked whether that's what you're saying. I didn't say you said it

So is that what you're saying? That footballers won't be among the safest workers in the country?

I'm saying they will be. Do you disagree?

comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 44 seconds ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 32 seconds ago
"there’s obviously just as much risk"

Again, would be interested to see evidence for this.

All of the evidence I have seen suggests that physical contact with others is one key element of risk.

Still not sure what relevance this has - can Rose not question the safety of football because a completely different sector may also be unsafe?
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If there isn’t as much risk why apply 2m social distancing?

Why the calls for improved hygiene, gloves etc if close proximity and discouraging cross touching surfaces?
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Well presumably the risk is greater the closer you are.

Doesn't mean that being one metre away is as dangerous as being in physical contact, does it?

comment by Thor (U22388)
posted 54 seconds ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Thor (U22388)
posted 8 minutes ago
What evidence does dude want?So we have to provide links to government websites for everything we say or what?

Winston, are you saying footballers won't be among the safest group of workers in the country?

If so, what are your reasons for saying this?
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Where did I say that?
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I only asked whether that's what you're saying. I didn't say you said it

So is that what you're saying? That footballers won't be among the safest workers in the country?

I'm saying they will be. Do you disagree?
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I didn't say it, so your question is pointless.