Looked a clear red to me.
VAR inconsistency is ridiculous though. A similar incident could happen again and no foul will be given.
VAR ignored a 10x more red card for Cahill but gave a red card today lol. Then again they ignored a rugby foul on Martial inside the box in the same game so it wasn't a surprise there is corruption in football.
I haven't seen penalties given for as little as the ones we have been conceding. If Palace penalty is the rule, we might as well change our tactics to hoof it to players arms for 1yd.
Honestly think this is worse than the 2002 corrupt refs at the World Cup. It is clear match fixing by refs. I doubt I will see any other team get a penalty like Palace got yesterday as it was clearly the wrong decision. Both Palace away wins were aided by VAR and both games they most likely would have lost if the correct decision was made. I don't get how elbowing Rashford in the face with an open goal is not even worthy of a VAR check.
Honestly think Solskjaer should make us chip the ball to players arm from 1yd difference as it is now a penalty according to ex refs lol.
Clear red this one. That was my first thoughts. Its great referees are using the monitor. The handball rules are joke thou.
Jesus, Hafi. You are really on one this weekend, aren't you? Yes Cahill should have been sent off last season but the red card today was absolutely nailed on. Did this really warrant an article? Referees aren't always consistent shocker
comment by Troy's Tanguy Tanganga of Tottenham (U6468)
posted 11 minutes ago
Clear red this one. That was my first thoughts. Its great referees are using the monitor. The handball rules are joke thou.
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I'm kind of in two minds about the monitor now. It seems to have turned 180°. Whereas VAR officials used to refuse to overrule referees, now the ref just goes to the monitor and automatically gives the decision. No way should that have been a red card in the Brighton game earlier, but because the guys in Stockley Park obviously thought it was, the ref took the easy way out and just confirmed what they'd made clear they believed in getting him to look at it. And the same thing happened in the United v Palace game for the penalty yesterday imo
Chelsea bought well up front, but their defense won'y even last against a championships side.
The Chelsea player man handled Mane and literally landed on top of him,
That stopped Mane from going through to score.
Posh Mufc
Admittedly the penalty yesterday was a joke, just like the penalty today in the Spurs game. That said Palace completely outplayed United, and could have had another three or four.
comment by merrysupersteve (monitoring the situation) (U1132)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by Troy's Tanguy Tanganga of Tottenham (U6468)
posted 11 minutes ago
Clear red this one. That was my first thoughts. Its great referees are using the monitor. The handball rules are joke thou.
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I'm kind of in two minds about the monitor now. It seems to have turned 180°. Whereas VAR officials used to refuse to overrule referees, now the ref just goes to the monitor and automatically gives the decision. No way should that have been a red card in the Brighton game earlier, but because the guys in Stockley Park obviously thought it was, the ref took the easy way out and just confirmed what they'd made clear they believed in getting him to look at it. And the same thing happened in the United v Palace game for the penalty yesterday imo
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I kind of agree with you as noticed they just do a still shot of what they want the ref to see instead of him looking at it in real time and then slowing it down.
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posted 2 minutes ago
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posted 13 minutes ago
comment by Troy's Tanguy Tanganga of Tottenham (U6468)
posted 11 minutes ago
Clear red this one. That was my first thoughts. Its great referees are using the monitor. The handball rules are joke thou.
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I'm kind of in two minds about the monitor now. It seems to have turned 180°. Whereas VAR officials used to refuse to overrule referees, now the ref just goes to the monitor and automatically gives the decision. No way should that have been a red card in the Brighton game earlier, but because the guys in Stockley Park obviously thought it was, the ref took the easy way out and just confirmed what they'd made clear they believed in getting him to look at it. And the same thing happened in the United v Palace game for the penalty yesterday imo
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I kind of agree with you as noticed they just do a still shot of what they want the ref to see instead of him looking at it in real time and then slowing it down.
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Yeah the fact it's only in slow mo is a contentious issue for me too. But the longer it goes on without a ref taking a look at the board and sticking to their initial call, the more I'll feel they're using it as an easy out and not exercising their own judgement
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posted 2 minutes ago
comment by merrysupersteve (monitoring the situation) (U1132)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by Troy's Tanguy Tanganga of Tottenham (U6468)
posted 11 minutes ago
Clear red this one. That was my first thoughts. Its great referees are using the monitor. The handball rules are joke thou.
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I'm kind of in two minds about the monitor now. It seems to have turned 180°. Whereas VAR officials used to refuse to overrule referees, now the ref just goes to the monitor and automatically gives the decision. No way should that have been a red card in the Brighton game earlier, but because the guys in Stockley Park obviously thought it was, the ref took the easy way out and just confirmed what they'd made clear they believed in getting him to look at it. And the same thing happened in the United v Palace game for the penalty yesterday imo
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I kind of agree with you as noticed they just do a still shot of what they want the ref to see instead of him looking at it in real time and then slowing it down.
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The still shot that the ref faced today when he went over to the monitor had only mane and christian in it.Going over to initially see that basically says to the ref it's a red.But the ball was running away from Mane and Kepa was running onto it.A few frames later would show that the keeper would have got the ball,in real time the keeper had as much chance as Mane to reach it.
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posted 2 minutes ago
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posted 13 minutes ago
comment by Troy's Tanguy Tanganga of Tottenham (U6468)
posted 11 minutes ago
Clear red this one. That was my first thoughts. Its great referees are using the monitor. The handball rules are joke thou.
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I'm kind of in two minds about the monitor now. It seems to have turned 180°. Whereas VAR officials used to refuse to overrule referees, now the ref just goes to the monitor and automatically gives the decision. No way should that have been a red card in the Brighton game earlier, but because the guys in Stockley Park obviously thought it was, the ref took the easy way out and just confirmed what they'd made clear they believed in getting him to look at it. And the same thing happened in the United v Palace game for the penalty yesterday imo
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I kind of agree with you as noticed they just do a still shot of what they want the ref to see instead of him looking at it in real time and then slowing it down.
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The still shot that the ref faced today when he went over to the monitor had only mane and christian in it.Going over to initially see that basically says to the ref it's a red.But the ball was running away from Mane and Kepa was running onto it.A few frames later would show that the keeper would have got the ball,in real time the keeper had as much chance as Mane to reach it.
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He really didn't. Mane was easily getting their first
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posted 2 minutes ago
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posted 13 minutes ago
comment by Troy's Tanguy Tanganga of Tottenham (U6468)
posted 11 minutes ago
Clear red this one. That was my first thoughts. Its great referees are using the monitor. The handball rules are joke thou.
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I'm kind of in two minds about the monitor now. It seems to have turned 180°. Whereas VAR officials used to refuse to overrule referees, now the ref just goes to the monitor and automatically gives the decision. No way should that have been a red card in the Brighton game earlier, but because the guys in Stockley Park obviously thought it was, the ref took the easy way out and just confirmed what they'd made clear they believed in getting him to look at it. And the same thing happened in the United v Palace game for the penalty yesterday imo
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I kind of agree with you as noticed they just do a still shot of what they want the ref to see instead of him looking at it in real time and then slowing it down.
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The still shot that the ref faced today when he went over to the monitor had only mane and christian in it.Going over to initially see that basically says to the ref it's a red.But the ball was running away from Mane and Kepa was running onto it.A few frames later would show that the keeper would have got the ball,in real time the keeper had as much chance as Mane to reach it.
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So you are saying there was a 50/50 chance that Mane would have got there first if he hadn't have been hailed down?
Which part of that isn't a red?
i assume they agreed mane was getting there first and the still shot was just clearing up the challenge cause if he makes a genuine attempt to get the ball its a yellow these days isnt it regardless of last man/cover?
Think it was pretty obvious mane was gonna get there first and be in control though.
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posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Troy's Tanguy Tanganga of Tottenham (U6468)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by merrysupersteve (monitoring the situation) (U1132)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by Troy's Tanguy Tanganga of Tottenham (U6468)
posted 11 minutes ago
Clear red this one. That was my first thoughts. Its great referees are using the monitor. The handball rules are joke thou.
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I'm kind of in two minds about the monitor now. It seems to have turned 180°. Whereas VAR officials used to refuse to overrule referees, now the ref just goes to the monitor and automatically gives the decision. No way should that have been a red card in the Brighton game earlier, but because the guys in Stockley Park obviously thought it was, the ref took the easy way out and just confirmed what they'd made clear they believed in getting him to look at it. And the same thing happened in the United v Palace game for the penalty yesterday imo
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I kind of agree with you as noticed they just do a still shot of what they want the ref to see instead of him looking at it in real time and then slowing it down.
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The still shot that the ref faced today when he went over to the monitor had only mane and christian in it.Going over to initially see that basically says to the ref it's a red.But the ball was running away from Mane and Kepa was running onto it.A few frames later would show that the keeper would have got the ball,in real time the keeper had as much chance as Mane to reach it.
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Absolute nonsense. Mane had just shifted his body to take the ball under control when he was taken out. That is the view the ref watched on the monitor as millions saw on their TV screens. You can't just make stuff up and hope nobody notices.
It is a blatant red. The op is just upset because it is liverpool.
comment by Inbefore (U20589)
posted 14 seconds ago
i assume they agreed mane was getting there first and the still shot was just clearing up the challenge cause if he makes a genuine attempt to get the ball its a yellow these days isnt it regardless of last man/cover?
Think it was pretty obvious mane was gonna get there first and be in control though.
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That only applies to penalties. If it is outside of the box then denying a goal scoring opportunity is still a red card.
They changed it for pens because teams were getting a triple punishment of penalty, red card, suspension for legit attempts to win the ball.
comment by The Goofy One (U16087)
posted 37 seconds ago
It is a blatant red. The op is just upset because it is liverpool.
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No point discussing what the OP thinks. Every defeat is due to the referee, VAR or bad luck as they had 500 shots and the opponent only 450.
comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 17 seconds ago
comment by Inbefore (U20589)
posted 14 seconds ago
i assume they agreed mane was getting there first and the still shot was just clearing up the challenge cause if he makes a genuine attempt to get the ball its a yellow these days isnt it regardless of last man/cover?
Think it was pretty obvious mane was gonna get there first and be in control though.
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That only applies to penalties. If it is outside of the box then denying a goal scoring opportunity is still a red card.
They changed it for pens because teams were getting a triple punishment of penalty, red card, suspension for legit attempts to win the ball.
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Correct. Even the commentators seem unaware of this rule at times
About as clear a red as you will see, he jumped on his back, yesterday's hand ball is where there will be problems this season, again, it's about the refs perception and interpretation of the incident, some will be given, some won't, not sure what is an "unnatural position", for a players hand in any dynamic sport when you're at full speed?
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posted on 20/9/20
Looked a clear red to me.
posted on 20/9/20
VAR inconsistency is ridiculous though. A similar incident could happen again and no foul will be given.
posted on 20/9/20
VAR ignored a 10x more red card for Cahill but gave a red card today lol. Then again they ignored a rugby foul on Martial inside the box in the same game so it wasn't a surprise there is corruption in football.
posted on 20/9/20
I haven't seen penalties given for as little as the ones we have been conceding. If Palace penalty is the rule, we might as well change our tactics to hoof it to players arms for 1yd.
posted on 20/9/20
Honestly think this is worse than the 2002 corrupt refs at the World Cup. It is clear match fixing by refs. I doubt I will see any other team get a penalty like Palace got yesterday as it was clearly the wrong decision. Both Palace away wins were aided by VAR and both games they most likely would have lost if the correct decision was made. I don't get how elbowing Rashford in the face with an open goal is not even worthy of a VAR check.
posted on 20/9/20
Honestly think Solskjaer should make us chip the ball to players arm from 1yd difference as it is now a penalty according to ex refs lol.
posted on 20/9/20
Clear red this one. That was my first thoughts. Its great referees are using the monitor. The handball rules are joke thou.
posted on 20/9/20
Jesus, Hafi. You are really on one this weekend, aren't you? Yes Cahill should have been sent off last season but the red card today was absolutely nailed on. Did this really warrant an article? Referees aren't always consistent shocker
posted on 20/9/20
comment by Troy's Tanguy Tanganga of Tottenham (U6468)
posted 11 minutes ago
Clear red this one. That was my first thoughts. Its great referees are using the monitor. The handball rules are joke thou.
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I'm kind of in two minds about the monitor now. It seems to have turned 180°. Whereas VAR officials used to refuse to overrule referees, now the ref just goes to the monitor and automatically gives the decision. No way should that have been a red card in the Brighton game earlier, but because the guys in Stockley Park obviously thought it was, the ref took the easy way out and just confirmed what they'd made clear they believed in getting him to look at it. And the same thing happened in the United v Palace game for the penalty yesterday imo
posted on 20/9/20
Chelsea bought well up front, but their defense won'y even last against a championships side.
The Chelsea player man handled Mane and literally landed on top of him,
That stopped Mane from going through to score.
posted on 20/9/20
Posh Mufc
Admittedly the penalty yesterday was a joke, just like the penalty today in the Spurs game. That said Palace completely outplayed United, and could have had another three or four.
posted on 20/9/20
comment by merrysupersteve (monitoring the situation) (U1132)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by Troy's Tanguy Tanganga of Tottenham (U6468)
posted 11 minutes ago
Clear red this one. That was my first thoughts. Its great referees are using the monitor. The handball rules are joke thou.
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I'm kind of in two minds about the monitor now. It seems to have turned 180°. Whereas VAR officials used to refuse to overrule referees, now the ref just goes to the monitor and automatically gives the decision. No way should that have been a red card in the Brighton game earlier, but because the guys in Stockley Park obviously thought it was, the ref took the easy way out and just confirmed what they'd made clear they believed in getting him to look at it. And the same thing happened in the United v Palace game for the penalty yesterday imo
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I kind of agree with you as noticed they just do a still shot of what they want the ref to see instead of him looking at it in real time and then slowing it down.
posted on 20/9/20
comment by Troy's Tanguy Tanganga of Tottenham (U6468)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by merrysupersteve (monitoring the situation) (U1132)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by Troy's Tanguy Tanganga of Tottenham (U6468)
posted 11 minutes ago
Clear red this one. That was my first thoughts. Its great referees are using the monitor. The handball rules are joke thou.
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I'm kind of in two minds about the monitor now. It seems to have turned 180°. Whereas VAR officials used to refuse to overrule referees, now the ref just goes to the monitor and automatically gives the decision. No way should that have been a red card in the Brighton game earlier, but because the guys in Stockley Park obviously thought it was, the ref took the easy way out and just confirmed what they'd made clear they believed in getting him to look at it. And the same thing happened in the United v Palace game for the penalty yesterday imo
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I kind of agree with you as noticed they just do a still shot of what they want the ref to see instead of him looking at it in real time and then slowing it down.
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Yeah the fact it's only in slow mo is a contentious issue for me too. But the longer it goes on without a ref taking a look at the board and sticking to their initial call, the more I'll feel they're using it as an easy out and not exercising their own judgement
posted on 20/9/20
comment by Troy's Tanguy Tanganga of Tottenham (U6468)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by merrysupersteve (monitoring the situation) (U1132)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by Troy's Tanguy Tanganga of Tottenham (U6468)
posted 11 minutes ago
Clear red this one. That was my first thoughts. Its great referees are using the monitor. The handball rules are joke thou.
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I'm kind of in two minds about the monitor now. It seems to have turned 180°. Whereas VAR officials used to refuse to overrule referees, now the ref just goes to the monitor and automatically gives the decision. No way should that have been a red card in the Brighton game earlier, but because the guys in Stockley Park obviously thought it was, the ref took the easy way out and just confirmed what they'd made clear they believed in getting him to look at it. And the same thing happened in the United v Palace game for the penalty yesterday imo
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I kind of agree with you as noticed they just do a still shot of what they want the ref to see instead of him looking at it in real time and then slowing it down.
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The still shot that the ref faced today when he went over to the monitor had only mane and christian in it.Going over to initially see that basically says to the ref it's a red.But the ball was running away from Mane and Kepa was running onto it.A few frames later would show that the keeper would have got the ball,in real time the keeper had as much chance as Mane to reach it.
posted on 20/9/20
comment by Colemanballs (U22246)
posted 4 seconds ago
comment by Troy's Tanguy Tanganga of Tottenham (U6468)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by merrysupersteve (monitoring the situation) (U1132)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by Troy's Tanguy Tanganga of Tottenham (U6468)
posted 11 minutes ago
Clear red this one. That was my first thoughts. Its great referees are using the monitor. The handball rules are joke thou.
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I'm kind of in two minds about the monitor now. It seems to have turned 180°. Whereas VAR officials used to refuse to overrule referees, now the ref just goes to the monitor and automatically gives the decision. No way should that have been a red card in the Brighton game earlier, but because the guys in Stockley Park obviously thought it was, the ref took the easy way out and just confirmed what they'd made clear they believed in getting him to look at it. And the same thing happened in the United v Palace game for the penalty yesterday imo
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I kind of agree with you as noticed they just do a still shot of what they want the ref to see instead of him looking at it in real time and then slowing it down.
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The still shot that the ref faced today when he went over to the monitor had only mane and christian in it.Going over to initially see that basically says to the ref it's a red.But the ball was running away from Mane and Kepa was running onto it.A few frames later would show that the keeper would have got the ball,in real time the keeper had as much chance as Mane to reach it.
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He really didn't. Mane was easily getting their first
posted on 20/9/20
*there first
posted on 20/9/20
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posted 29 seconds ago
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posted 2 minutes ago
comment by merrysupersteve (monitoring the situation) (U1132)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by Troy's Tanguy Tanganga of Tottenham (U6468)
posted 11 minutes ago
Clear red this one. That was my first thoughts. Its great referees are using the monitor. The handball rules are joke thou.
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I'm kind of in two minds about the monitor now. It seems to have turned 180°. Whereas VAR officials used to refuse to overrule referees, now the ref just goes to the monitor and automatically gives the decision. No way should that have been a red card in the Brighton game earlier, but because the guys in Stockley Park obviously thought it was, the ref took the easy way out and just confirmed what they'd made clear they believed in getting him to look at it. And the same thing happened in the United v Palace game for the penalty yesterday imo
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I kind of agree with you as noticed they just do a still shot of what they want the ref to see instead of him looking at it in real time and then slowing it down.
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The still shot that the ref faced today when he went over to the monitor had only mane and christian in it.Going over to initially see that basically says to the ref it's a red.But the ball was running away from Mane and Kepa was running onto it.A few frames later would show that the keeper would have got the ball,in real time the keeper had as much chance as Mane to reach it.
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So you are saying there was a 50/50 chance that Mane would have got there first if he hadn't have been hailed down?
Which part of that isn't a red?
posted on 20/9/20
i assume they agreed mane was getting there first and the still shot was just clearing up the challenge cause if he makes a genuine attempt to get the ball its a yellow these days isnt it regardless of last man/cover?
Think it was pretty obvious mane was gonna get there first and be in control though.
posted on 20/9/20
comment by Colemanballs (U22246)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Troy's Tanguy Tanganga of Tottenham (U6468)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by merrysupersteve (monitoring the situation) (U1132)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by Troy's Tanguy Tanganga of Tottenham (U6468)
posted 11 minutes ago
Clear red this one. That was my first thoughts. Its great referees are using the monitor. The handball rules are joke thou.
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I'm kind of in two minds about the monitor now. It seems to have turned 180°. Whereas VAR officials used to refuse to overrule referees, now the ref just goes to the monitor and automatically gives the decision. No way should that have been a red card in the Brighton game earlier, but because the guys in Stockley Park obviously thought it was, the ref took the easy way out and just confirmed what they'd made clear they believed in getting him to look at it. And the same thing happened in the United v Palace game for the penalty yesterday imo
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I kind of agree with you as noticed they just do a still shot of what they want the ref to see instead of him looking at it in real time and then slowing it down.
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The still shot that the ref faced today when he went over to the monitor had only mane and christian in it.Going over to initially see that basically says to the ref it's a red.But the ball was running away from Mane and Kepa was running onto it.A few frames later would show that the keeper would have got the ball,in real time the keeper had as much chance as Mane to reach it.
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Absolute nonsense. Mane had just shifted his body to take the ball under control when he was taken out. That is the view the ref watched on the monitor as millions saw on their TV screens. You can't just make stuff up and hope nobody notices.
posted on 20/9/20
It is a blatant red. The op is just upset because it is liverpool.
posted on 20/9/20
comment by Inbefore (U20589)
posted 14 seconds ago
i assume they agreed mane was getting there first and the still shot was just clearing up the challenge cause if he makes a genuine attempt to get the ball its a yellow these days isnt it regardless of last man/cover?
Think it was pretty obvious mane was gonna get there first and be in control though.
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That only applies to penalties. If it is outside of the box then denying a goal scoring opportunity is still a red card.
They changed it for pens because teams were getting a triple punishment of penalty, red card, suspension for legit attempts to win the ball.
posted on 20/9/20
comment by The Goofy One (U16087)
posted 37 seconds ago
It is a blatant red. The op is just upset because it is liverpool.
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No point discussing what the OP thinks. Every defeat is due to the referee, VAR or bad luck as they had 500 shots and the opponent only 450.
posted on 20/9/20
comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 17 seconds ago
comment by Inbefore (U20589)
posted 14 seconds ago
i assume they agreed mane was getting there first and the still shot was just clearing up the challenge cause if he makes a genuine attempt to get the ball its a yellow these days isnt it regardless of last man/cover?
Think it was pretty obvious mane was gonna get there first and be in control though.
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That only applies to penalties. If it is outside of the box then denying a goal scoring opportunity is still a red card.
They changed it for pens because teams were getting a triple punishment of penalty, red card, suspension for legit attempts to win the ball.
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Correct. Even the commentators seem unaware of this rule at times
posted on 20/9/20
About as clear a red as you will see, he jumped on his back, yesterday's hand ball is where there will be problems this season, again, it's about the refs perception and interpretation of the incident, some will be given, some won't, not sure what is an "unnatural position", for a players hand in any dynamic sport when you're at full speed?
posted on 20/9/20
No stats Hafi?
Who is this imposter 😅
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