It was reported that the board is going to back Arteta in January.. But are we going to invest on quality players or players that will have less market value after 2 years?
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They will probably back him into a corner so they don't have to pay him severence pay before he resigns,never to manage again.
Chelsea will have something old and decrepit in their bin for us
The major failings in the last decade have been:
Transfer signings
Sales and getting a good price
Player development.
Contracts (both giving massive ones and letting them run out)
They are all linked, of course.
It is why we have massive net spends, but an ever deteriorating squad quality.
I personally think our 2 main signing Gabriel and Partey are class players who will / have improved us.
The problem was we needed more than these 2.
Some signings really are baffling though - Cedric for 5Mil who doesnt even get a look in.
Mari - Was injured for 6 months - Should have just cancelled the loan and sent him back to Brazil.
For a team short of money we have literally wasted 15-20Mil right there.
Then We have Saliba who whole exclusion has been baffling. Should have at least been in the Europa league squad. His partner last season Forfana is absolutely killing it yet Saliba was rated better and performed much better than him.
I personally think our 2 main signing Gabriel and Partey are class players who will / have improved us.
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I believe the OP is talking more longer term. In fact, in the last couple of years we have actually brought some good players at good ages for good fees. Add Tierney and Martinelli, for example, from the season before.
Pablo Mari wasn't signed for 2 months but long term, so I disagree with your criticism of his transfer. Has looked decent, and with (hopefully) a number of defenders leaving soon his importance will grow.
We all know why Cedric was signed.
The Saliba situation was a cawq up. We were confident of him going on loan hence why he was omitted from the Europa Squad. Also, the idea he performed better than Fofana is a bit of a myth I think Arsenal fans have created. Fofana played more than Saliba and performed as well as Saliba - they formed a decent pair in the rare occassion they both played.
Yes we’ve been run horrendously bad for a long time now, and it’s getting worse each year. Until this is fixed every manager will struggle here. We’ve now let a rookie manager have no particularly experienced structure behind him. Signings like martinelli, Gabriel, tiereny and partey (when finally fit) have been bit better from us, but those were accompanied by likes of Cedric, luiz, Willian, so 2 steps forward 1 back. Can’t say I’m confident the club will be able to sign the right players to make a difference for Arteta
I'm choosing to remain optimistic that we've got the right people in place. The younger players we've purchased, i.e. the ones for the long term, look really promising. The older signings are letting us down, but at least they're only a stop gap and hopefully giving our younger players the chance to develop and replace them, whilst maybe passing on some wisdom to them along the way (and hopefully none of their bad habits)
Arsenal have gone from a team that was feared by everyone including Alex Ferguson to a team that is feared by nobody.
How can that be allowed to happen in such a small space of time.There is not one current player that would be good enough for a spot on Arsenals bench only 10-15 years ago.
We’ve had complete lack of ambition or vision at the club for a long while. Slipped from from wanting to win titles, to being content with top 4. during emirates era we had a few chances where we just needed to add 1 or 2 more players to mount a serious challenge, but the club was fine with just top 4 which ended up being taken from granted in the end. Other clubs caught us up, we stood still and didn’t respond or develop. Similar thing happened at united, but obviously we seem to be taking it to a new extreme! You can’t take you position as a big club as a given, if you don’t always push for better and let your standards slip, you will be punished in the league in time
The poor recruitment has led to arsenal having its weakest squad for the last 20 years and arguably one of the worst teams in the top 8
comment by A Catalyst For Change (U7080)
posted 9 minutes ago
We’ve had complete lack of ambition or vision at the club for a long while. Slipped from from wanting to win titles, to being content with top 4. during emirates era we had a few chances where we just needed to add 1 or 2 more players to mount a serious challenge, but the club was fine with just top 4 which ended up being taken from granted in the end. Other clubs caught us up, we stood still and didn’t respond or develop. Similar thing happened at united, but obviously we seem to be taking it to a new extreme! You can’t take you position as a big club as a given, if you don’t always push for better and let your standards slip, you will be punished in the league in time
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Accurate.
comment by A Catalyst For Change (U7080)
posted 1 hour, 28 minutes ago
We’ve had complete lack of ambition or vision at the club for a long while. Slipped from from wanting to win titles, to being content with top 4. during emirates era we had a few chances where we just needed to add 1 or 2 more players to mount a serious challenge, but the club was fine with just top 4 which ended up being taken from granted in the end. Other clubs caught us up, we stood still and didn’t respond or develop. Similar thing happened at united, but obviously we seem to be taking it to a new extreme! You can’t take you position as a big club as a given, if you don’t always push for better and let your standards slip, you will be punished in the league in time
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Fully agree with this
Yep definitely, it would have taken just a little bit more investment at the time and it would have paid off tenfold. Instead we were overly cautious and it backfired. Nothing ventured and nothing gained
And now lots of clubs have caught up with and gone past us
The Arsenal board has let you down. Bats, DJ, and Tbok especially.
comment by A Catalyst For Change (U7080)
posted 2 hours, 12 minutes ago
We’ve had complete lack of ambition or vision at the club for a long while. Slipped from from wanting to win titles, to being content with top 4. during emirates era we had a few chances where we just needed to add 1 or 2 more players to mount a serious challenge, but the club was fine with just top 4 which ended up being taken from granted in the end. Other clubs caught us up, we stood still and didn’t respond or develop. Similar thing happened at united, but obviously we seem to be taking it to a new extreme! You can’t take you position as a big club as a given, if you don’t always push for better and let your standards slip, you will be punished in the league in time
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This is one of the issues I was trying to point out. There were times when we needed to add just 2 quality players to show some serious ambitions but our board and Wenger refused to act... You guys remember a season when our only recruitment was Petr Čech? That was the year Leicester won the league and we came 2nd.
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posted 53 seconds ago
comment by A Catalyst For Change (U7080)
posted 2 hours, 12 minutes ago
We’ve had complete lack of ambition or vision at the club for a long while. Slipped from from wanting to win titles, to being content with top 4. during emirates era we had a few chances where we just needed to add 1 or 2 more players to mount a serious challenge, but the club was fine with just top 4 which ended up being taken from granted in the end. Other clubs caught us up, we stood still and didn’t respond or develop. Similar thing happened at united, but obviously we seem to be taking it to a new extreme! You can’t take you position as a big club as a given, if you don’t always push for better and let your standards slip, you will be punished in the league in time
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This is one of the issues I was trying to point out. There were times when we needed to add just 2 quality players to show some serious ambitions but our board and Wenger refused to act... You guys remember a season when our only recruitment was Petr Čech? That was the year Leicester won the league and we came 2nd.
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That was also the season where every other "top" or "top-ish" team bottled the games to Leicester (some of them genuinely felt like they did it on purpose) yet we beat Leicester home and away.
🙄
comment by V - We played a little bit with the handbrake (U7971)
posted 3 hours, 4 minutes ago
I'm choosing to remain optimistic that we've got the right people in place. The younger players we've purchased, i.e. the ones for the long term, look really promising. The older signings are letting us down, but at least they're only a stop gap and hopefully giving our younger players the chance to develop and replace them, whilst maybe passing on some wisdom to them along the way (and hopefully none of their bad habits)
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Don't raise your hope too high pal... those young players won't stay around for long if we are not getting the results on the pitch. And I don't even trust our board, they will sell our young players to Real Madrid, Liverpool or even Spurs if they think the price is right!
Apparently BBC gossip has us wanting to extend Rob Holding's contract beyond 2023. If that happens, I'll be fuming
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posted on 21/12/20
It was reported that the board is going to back Arteta in January.. But are we going to invest on quality players or players that will have less market value after 2 years?
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They will probably back him into a corner so they don't have to pay him severence pay before he resigns,never to manage again.
posted on 21/12/20
Chelsea will have something old and decrepit in their bin for us
posted on 21/12/20
The major failings in the last decade have been:
Transfer signings
Sales and getting a good price
Player development.
Contracts (both giving massive ones and letting them run out)
They are all linked, of course.
It is why we have massive net spends, but an ever deteriorating squad quality.
posted on 21/12/20
I personally think our 2 main signing Gabriel and Partey are class players who will / have improved us.
The problem was we needed more than these 2.
Some signings really are baffling though - Cedric for 5Mil who doesnt even get a look in.
Mari - Was injured for 6 months - Should have just cancelled the loan and sent him back to Brazil.
For a team short of money we have literally wasted 15-20Mil right there.
Then We have Saliba who whole exclusion has been baffling. Should have at least been in the Europa league squad. His partner last season Forfana is absolutely killing it yet Saliba was rated better and performed much better than him.
posted on 21/12/20
I personally think our 2 main signing Gabriel and Partey are class players who will / have improved us.
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I believe the OP is talking more longer term. In fact, in the last couple of years we have actually brought some good players at good ages for good fees. Add Tierney and Martinelli, for example, from the season before.
Pablo Mari wasn't signed for 2 months but long term, so I disagree with your criticism of his transfer. Has looked decent, and with (hopefully) a number of defenders leaving soon his importance will grow.
We all know why Cedric was signed.
The Saliba situation was a cawq up. We were confident of him going on loan hence why he was omitted from the Europa Squad. Also, the idea he performed better than Fofana is a bit of a myth I think Arsenal fans have created. Fofana played more than Saliba and performed as well as Saliba - they formed a decent pair in the rare occassion they both played.
posted on 21/12/20
Yes we’ve been run horrendously bad for a long time now, and it’s getting worse each year. Until this is fixed every manager will struggle here. We’ve now let a rookie manager have no particularly experienced structure behind him. Signings like martinelli, Gabriel, tiereny and partey (when finally fit) have been bit better from us, but those were accompanied by likes of Cedric, luiz, Willian, so 2 steps forward 1 back. Can’t say I’m confident the club will be able to sign the right players to make a difference for Arteta
posted on 21/12/20
I'm choosing to remain optimistic that we've got the right people in place. The younger players we've purchased, i.e. the ones for the long term, look really promising. The older signings are letting us down, but at least they're only a stop gap and hopefully giving our younger players the chance to develop and replace them, whilst maybe passing on some wisdom to them along the way (and hopefully none of their bad habits)
posted on 21/12/20
Arsenal have gone from a team that was feared by everyone including Alex Ferguson to a team that is feared by nobody.
How can that be allowed to happen in such a small space of time.There is not one current player that would be good enough for a spot on Arsenals bench only 10-15 years ago.
posted on 21/12/20
We’ve had complete lack of ambition or vision at the club for a long while. Slipped from from wanting to win titles, to being content with top 4. during emirates era we had a few chances where we just needed to add 1 or 2 more players to mount a serious challenge, but the club was fine with just top 4 which ended up being taken from granted in the end. Other clubs caught us up, we stood still and didn’t respond or develop. Similar thing happened at united, but obviously we seem to be taking it to a new extreme! You can’t take you position as a big club as a given, if you don’t always push for better and let your standards slip, you will be punished in the league in time
posted on 21/12/20
The poor recruitment has led to arsenal having its weakest squad for the last 20 years and arguably one of the worst teams in the top 8
posted on 21/12/20
comment by A Catalyst For Change (U7080)
posted 9 minutes ago
We’ve had complete lack of ambition or vision at the club for a long while. Slipped from from wanting to win titles, to being content with top 4. during emirates era we had a few chances where we just needed to add 1 or 2 more players to mount a serious challenge, but the club was fine with just top 4 which ended up being taken from granted in the end. Other clubs caught us up, we stood still and didn’t respond or develop. Similar thing happened at united, but obviously we seem to be taking it to a new extreme! You can’t take you position as a big club as a given, if you don’t always push for better and let your standards slip, you will be punished in the league in time
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Accurate.
posted on 21/12/20
comment by A Catalyst For Change (U7080)
posted 1 hour, 28 minutes ago
We’ve had complete lack of ambition or vision at the club for a long while. Slipped from from wanting to win titles, to being content with top 4. during emirates era we had a few chances where we just needed to add 1 or 2 more players to mount a serious challenge, but the club was fine with just top 4 which ended up being taken from granted in the end. Other clubs caught us up, we stood still and didn’t respond or develop. Similar thing happened at united, but obviously we seem to be taking it to a new extreme! You can’t take you position as a big club as a given, if you don’t always push for better and let your standards slip, you will be punished in the league in time
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Fully agree with this
posted on 21/12/20
Yep definitely, it would have taken just a little bit more investment at the time and it would have paid off tenfold. Instead we were overly cautious and it backfired. Nothing ventured and nothing gained
posted on 21/12/20
And now lots of clubs have caught up with and gone past us
posted on 21/12/20
The Arsenal board has let you down. Bats, DJ, and Tbok especially.
posted on 22/12/20
comment by A Catalyst For Change (U7080)
posted 2 hours, 12 minutes ago
We’ve had complete lack of ambition or vision at the club for a long while. Slipped from from wanting to win titles, to being content with top 4. during emirates era we had a few chances where we just needed to add 1 or 2 more players to mount a serious challenge, but the club was fine with just top 4 which ended up being taken from granted in the end. Other clubs caught us up, we stood still and didn’t respond or develop. Similar thing happened at united, but obviously we seem to be taking it to a new extreme! You can’t take you position as a big club as a given, if you don’t always push for better and let your standards slip, you will be punished in the league in time
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This is one of the issues I was trying to point out. There were times when we needed to add just 2 quality players to show some serious ambitions but our board and Wenger refused to act... You guys remember a season when our only recruitment was Petr Čech? That was the year Leicester won the league and we came 2nd.
posted on 22/12/20
comment by LiverpoolGunner (U11472)
posted 53 seconds ago
comment by A Catalyst For Change (U7080)
posted 2 hours, 12 minutes ago
We’ve had complete lack of ambition or vision at the club for a long while. Slipped from from wanting to win titles, to being content with top 4. during emirates era we had a few chances where we just needed to add 1 or 2 more players to mount a serious challenge, but the club was fine with just top 4 which ended up being taken from granted in the end. Other clubs caught us up, we stood still and didn’t respond or develop. Similar thing happened at united, but obviously we seem to be taking it to a new extreme! You can’t take you position as a big club as a given, if you don’t always push for better and let your standards slip, you will be punished in the league in time
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This is one of the issues I was trying to point out. There were times when we needed to add just 2 quality players to show some serious ambitions but our board and Wenger refused to act... You guys remember a season when our only recruitment was Petr Čech? That was the year Leicester won the league and we came 2nd.
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That was also the season where every other "top" or "top-ish" team bottled the games to Leicester (some of them genuinely felt like they did it on purpose) yet we beat Leicester home and away.
🙄
posted on 22/12/20
comment by V - We played a little bit with the handbrake (U7971)
posted 3 hours, 4 minutes ago
I'm choosing to remain optimistic that we've got the right people in place. The younger players we've purchased, i.e. the ones for the long term, look really promising. The older signings are letting us down, but at least they're only a stop gap and hopefully giving our younger players the chance to develop and replace them, whilst maybe passing on some wisdom to them along the way (and hopefully none of their bad habits)
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Don't raise your hope too high pal... those young players won't stay around for long if we are not getting the results on the pitch. And I don't even trust our board, they will sell our young players to Real Madrid, Liverpool or even Spurs if they think the price is right!
posted on 22/12/20
Apparently BBC gossip has us wanting to extend Rob Holding's contract beyond 2023. If that happens, I'll be fuming
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